On August 22 2010 06:29 Kaniol wrote: Yay, good job TL you didn't fail expectations
Haha I was there! I feel bad for their fiddle though, they're raging at him for not ganking when we ganked him at blue like 4 times that game.
That's why I hate jungling Fiddle, if the other team harasses you, you can't fight back and you struggle to accomplish anything. The only good response I've seen to jungle harass is Fiddle just giving up altogether and going off to lane 2v1.
Edit2: Also, some people were confused by my item choices in the first game, I think. I ended up stacking survival because Soulstealer stacks are crazy on their own as a standalone AP item... and I was getting pissed at how Ezreal and Anivia were just sitting on me (and half their CC was going for me... instead of Twitch -_______-) so I needed to outlast them. That's why I had RoA, GA, and bought a Negatron at the end. I think even with my random deaths mid-late game I was hovering at 15+ stacks most of the time so my damage output was never a serious issue, considering they only had two heroes I had to be afraid of (Ezreal and Anivia). Actually after I bought the Mantle for GA I regretted it - you might have noticed me look at Chain items to see if I shouldn't have just bought Chain + Nega and then gone for a big armor and MR item instead.
On August 22 2010 06:29 Kaniol wrote: Yay, good job TL you didn't fail expectations
Haha I was there! I feel bad for their fiddle though, they're raging at him for not ganking when we ganked him at blue like 4 times that game.
That's why I hate jungling Fiddle, if the other team harasses you, you can't fight back and you struggle to accomplish anything. The only good response I've seen to jungle harass is Fiddle just giving up altogether and going off to lane 2v1.
Edit2: Also, some people were confused by my item choices in the first game, I think. I ended up stacking survival because Soulstealer stacks are crazy on their own as a standalone AP item... and I was getting pissed at how Ezreal and Anivia were just sitting on me (and half their CC was going for me... instead of Twitch -_______-) so I needed to outlast them. That's why I had RoA, GA, and bought a Negatron at the end. I think even with my random deaths mid-late game I was hovering at 15+ stacks most of the time so my damage output was never a serious issue, considering they only had two heroes I had to be afraid of (Ezreal and Anivia). Actually after I bought the Mantle for GA I regretted it - you might have noticed me look at Chain items to see if I shouldn't have just bought Chain + Nega and then gone for a big armor and MR item instead.
love the skin, gonna download once i win another game and can finally buy udyr =D.
On August 22 2010 02:17 Phrost wrote: Kennen is generally obnoxious when played well, but god awful when not.
If a Vlad lost to a kennen then he wasnt playing well because it's pretty easy to bait shuriken tosses at creeps and the amount of damage dealt by the lightning blast thing (is it W? i think?) is negligible compared to transfusion.
I stand by Vladimir can't really lose a lane 1v1 because of how much passive healing he has.
can't you say that about any hero?
and can't you say *that* about any hero? it's easy to bait any skill from a champ if they're not as good as you... a player that's better than you will always back off when he sees you light up orange (meaning you're going to attack him) and return a hit when it's favorable for him. the thing that makes kennen a harder matchup than most 1v1 is that every once in a while his hit will give you a mark of the storm, then all he has to do is activate his W or E... or auto attack you more... or hit you with a shuriken... and eventually you'll get stun-locked.
and yeah the damage from W is negligible but i think pre-level 6 or 7, kennen is going to have a huge advantage on you from his variety of skills (a point in each for first 3 levels), and at BEST you're going to break even in an ult-fight. post level 8 when transfusion's cooldown and damage are on godmode, i'd cede the lane to vlad for sure though.
although yeah, vlad is still a top laner, i'm not arguing that. i just think that there are some matchups he struggles with (anivia morde kennen for example). not necessarily lose the matchup, but not roll the other champ like he does in 80% of 1v1s
I feel the only matchup I'm afraid of sometimes is Tristana and Ezreal because they have high damage long range physical attacks. Everything else you can just play it safe and hide behind creeps while you heal up.
Can you explain how a trist can win against Vlad? Caus i've allot of problems with that matchup
On August 22 2010 06:35 Southlight wrote: That's why I hate jungling Fiddle, if the other team harasses you, you can't fight back and you struggle to accomplish anything. The only good response I've seen to jungle harass is Fiddle just giving up altogether and going off to lane 2v1.
On August 22 2010 07:25 oberon wrote: Vlad questions:
1) QWQEQR R > Q > W > E? 2) Ruby Crystal -> Sorc boots -> Levi -> SS -> blue/red elixirs -> Zhonya's -> Rylai's?
E>W, and from what I've played of him I really like the doran's shield->boots->guise->sorc boots->Rylai's.
Basically I remember someone saying Salcepulse had been playing a pretty solid Vlad so I checked his profile and he was 97% wins after 40 games, so I copied his build and it worked really really well. I'm not sure if he started the build or jiji did and he copied it but played it better(granted jiji uses his in 5's against better competition so you can't expect 95%+), but it seems to be clearly the best build.
So sue me I was smurfing. My strategy was to repeatedly ace their team while I allow my teammates slowly chip away and suicide at their towers or in the jungle.
On August 22 2010 02:17 Phrost wrote: Kennen is generally obnoxious when played well, but god awful when not.
If a Vlad lost to a kennen then he wasnt playing well because it's pretty easy to bait shuriken tosses at creeps and the amount of damage dealt by the lightning blast thing (is it W? i think?) is negligible compared to transfusion.
I stand by Vladimir can't really lose a lane 1v1 because of how much passive healing he has.
can't you say that about any hero?
and can't you say *that* about any hero? it's easy to bait any skill from a champ if they're not as good as you... a player that's better than you will always back off when he sees you light up orange (meaning you're going to attack him) and return a hit when it's favorable for him. the thing that makes kennen a harder matchup than most 1v1 is that every once in a while his hit will give you a mark of the storm, then all he has to do is activate his W or E... or auto attack you more... or hit you with a shuriken... and eventually you'll get stun-locked.
and yeah the damage from W is negligible but i think pre-level 6 or 7, kennen is going to have a huge advantage on you from his variety of skills (a point in each for first 3 levels), and at BEST you're going to break even in an ult-fight. post level 8 when transfusion's cooldown and damage are on godmode, i'd cede the lane to vlad for sure though.
although yeah, vlad is still a top laner, i'm not arguing that. i just think that there are some matchups he struggles with (anivia morde kennen for example). not necessarily lose the matchup, but not roll the other champ like he does in 80% of 1v1s
I feel the only matchup I'm afraid of sometimes is Tristana and Ezreal because they have high damage long range physical attacks. Everything else you can just play it safe and hide behind creeps while you heal up.
Can you explain how a trist can win against Vlad? Caus i've allot of problems with that matchup
Stand behind creeps and when he comes forward pop him in the face then use the explosive shot active to reduce his healing.
Buy lots of health potions, you'll use a lot of money on them but it will let you severely wear him down letting you farm much easier.
On August 22 2010 07:25 oberon wrote: Vlad questions:
1) QWQEQR R > Q > W > E? 2) Ruby Crystal -> Sorc boots -> Levi -> SS -> blue/red elixirs -> Zhonya's -> Rylai's?
E>W, and from what I've played of him I really like the doran's shield->boots->guise->sorc boots->Rylai's.
Basically I remember someone saying Salcepulse had been playing a pretty solid Vlad so I checked his profile and he was 97% wins after 40 games, so I copied his build and it worked really really well. I'm not sure if he started the build or jiji did and he copied it but played it better(granted jiji uses his in 5's against better competition so you can't expect 95%+), but it seems to be clearly the best build.
Then depending on your team comp and situation either finish Rylais or make Spirit visage first (if your team has a healer then you get visage) then make the other item.
At this point you should have already won, if not start a zhonya's
On August 22 2010 07:35 Phrost wrote: Buy lots of health potions, you'll use a lot of money on them but it will let you severely wear him down letting you farm much easier.
Can't stress this enough for a lot of matchups. I've had several duels solo mid where me and my opponent chug 20 potions in the first 10 minutes or so. Especially the case when they're Ashe.
On August 22 2010 07:35 Phrost wrote: Buy lots of health potions, you'll use a lot of money on them but it will let you severely wear him down letting you farm much easier.
Can't stress this enough for a lot of matchups. I've had several duels solo mid where me and my opponent chug 20 potions in the first 10 minutes or so. Especially the case when they're Ashe.
It's a really good way to force vlad to go home when he doesn't want to. I usually respond to this by buying 2 ap items and just hitting him harder lol
So sue me I was smurfing. My strategy was to repeatedly ace their team while I allow my teammates slowly chip away and suicide at their towers or in the jungle.
you and jax had almost 70 kills combined and so on... How did that Akali manage to get a score like that?
On August 22 2010 07:25 oberon wrote: Vlad questions:
1) QWQEQR R > Q > W > E? 2) Ruby Crystal -> Sorc boots -> Levi -> SS -> blue/red elixirs -> Zhonya's -> Rylai's?
E>W, and from what I've played of him I really like the doran's shield->boots->guise->sorc boots->Rylai's.
Basically I remember someone saying Salcepulse had been playing a pretty solid Vlad so I checked his profile and he was 97% wins after 40 games, so I copied his build and it worked really really well. I'm not sure if he started the build or jiji did and he copied it but played it better(granted jiji uses his in 5's against better competition so you can't expect 95%+), but it seems to be clearly the best build.
I've been running that basically, though I find a lot of the time it's better to finish Sorc Boots before Guise because if you can get Boots 2 before your opponent you can just completely abuse people in lane because they'll sit on Boots 1 and you can just kite them really easily because they won't adapt their play to be more defensive even though you can hit them earlier.
Jiji's been running this troll tanking build with 2 Sunfire's and a FoN lately which I've been wanting to try but I'm moving at the moment and I don't have good internet. Would anyone know his item order? He's running 9/0/21 masteries still, and I'm thinking Doran's Shield > Boots > first Sunfire and then finish off Treads and add the next Sunfire and FoN as needed.
So sue me I was smurfing. My strategy was to repeatedly ace their team while I allow my teammates slowly chip away and suicide at their towers or in the jungle.
you and jax had almost 70 kills combined and so on... How did that Akali manage to get a score like that?
you think the score is weird and not the 2 tiamats on sivir? thats just not right
At the super low levels, people lack understanding of the general way to play the game. Basically they were running around like chickens with their heads cut off and dying in the jungle every 5 minutes. Early on veigar leaves (the only decent player) and they push and get all 3 of our inhibs and both of our main towers during the 2 times I die. Halfway through the game I was two shotting everyone with ice blast and my ult 1shot half their team and did 80% to the other half. At one point I had 7000 gold in the bank and I had no idea what to buy. I sold my banshees and kept buying all 3 potions. In a rush I bought a 2nd zhonyas which obviously should be a Lich's Bane or Banshee.
Since all of our towers were dead, I had to play defense for 20 minutes. It got harder as the game got on because they had a ton of time to max out their levels and my teammates were still at level 12 and still had no idea what they were doing. Eventually they suicide enough times to chip away at a few of their towers. Jax gets to the point where he can solo any of them 1v1 by only right clicking (what a great champ). They suddenly stop talking trash and leave the game when jax solo pushes their base.
Mostly more as a "lol this sucks" during laning phase thing (I was uploading it so Turkey could laugh at me) but here's another example of "how to have a fail early game and still somehow end up with 15 SS tacks at the end" game.
EPT
you didn't fail expectations 
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