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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
August 21 2010 19:57 GMT
#13661
Back to streaming, let's see if it works again.
http://www.livestream.com/utahime

Beware the long queue-times, though :x
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 21 2010 20:14 GMT
#13662
Yo utah, you seriously need to consider getting a doran's shield at the start against the likes of ezreal. Your HP was hovering near middle but your mana was practically full. I don't think you're benefitting too much from the ring at all.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 21 2010 20:16 GMT
#13663
On August 22 2010 02:17 Phrost wrote:
Kennen is generally obnoxious when played well, but god awful when not.

If a Vlad lost to a kennen then he wasnt playing well because it's pretty easy to bait shuriken tosses at creeps and the amount of damage dealt by the lightning blast thing (is it W? i think?) is negligible compared to transfusion.

I stand by Vladimir can't really lose a lane 1v1 because of how much passive healing he has.


can't you say that about any hero?

and can't you say *that* about any hero? it's easy to bait any skill from a champ if they're not as good as you... a player that's better than you will always back off when he sees you light up orange (meaning you're going to attack him) and return a hit when it's favorable for him. the thing that makes kennen a harder matchup than most 1v1 is that every once in a while his hit will give you a mark of the storm, then all he has to do is activate his W or E... or auto attack you more... or hit you with a shuriken... and eventually you'll get stun-locked.

and yeah the damage from W is negligible but i think pre-level 6 or 7, kennen is going to have a huge advantage on you from his variety of skills (a point in each for first 3 levels), and at BEST you're going to break even in an ult-fight. post level 8 when transfusion's cooldown and damage are on godmode, i'd cede the lane to vlad for sure though.

although yeah, vlad is still a top laner, i'm not arguing that. i just think that there are some matchups he struggles with (anivia morde kennen for example). not necessarily lose the matchup, but not roll the other champ like he does in 80% of 1v1s
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 21 2010 20:20 GMT
#13664
On August 22 2010 05:16 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 02:17 Phrost wrote:
Kennen is generally obnoxious when played well, but god awful when not.

If a Vlad lost to a kennen then he wasnt playing well because it's pretty easy to bait shuriken tosses at creeps and the amount of damage dealt by the lightning blast thing (is it W? i think?) is negligible compared to transfusion.

I stand by Vladimir can't really lose a lane 1v1 because of how much passive healing he has.


can't you say that about any hero?

and can't you say *that* about any hero? it's easy to bait any skill from a champ if they're not as good as you... a player that's better than you will always back off when he sees you light up orange (meaning you're going to attack him) and return a hit when it's favorable for him. the thing that makes kennen a harder matchup than most 1v1 is that every once in a while his hit will give you a mark of the storm, then all he has to do is activate his W or E... or auto attack you more... or hit you with a shuriken... and eventually you'll get stun-locked.

and yeah the damage from W is negligible but i think pre-level 6 or 7, kennen is going to have a huge advantage on you from his variety of skills (a point in each for first 3 levels), and at BEST you're going to break even in an ult-fight. post level 8 when transfusion's cooldown and damage are on godmode, i'd cede the lane to vlad for sure though.

although yeah, vlad is still a top laner, i'm not arguing that. i just think that there are some matchups he struggles with (anivia morde kennen for example). not necessarily lose the matchup, but not roll the other champ like he does in 80% of 1v1s


I feel the only matchup I'm afraid of sometimes is Tristana and Ezreal because they have high damage long range physical attacks. Everything else you can just play it safe and hide behind creeps while you heal up.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 21 2010 20:24 GMT
#13665
On August 22 2010 05:20 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 05:16 gtrsrs wrote:
On August 22 2010 02:17 Phrost wrote:
Kennen is generally obnoxious when played well, but god awful when not.

If a Vlad lost to a kennen then he wasnt playing well because it's pretty easy to bait shuriken tosses at creeps and the amount of damage dealt by the lightning blast thing (is it W? i think?) is negligible compared to transfusion.

I stand by Vladimir can't really lose a lane 1v1 because of how much passive healing he has.


can't you say that about any hero?

and can't you say *that* about any hero? it's easy to bait any skill from a champ if they're not as good as you... a player that's better than you will always back off when he sees you light up orange (meaning you're going to attack him) and return a hit when it's favorable for him. the thing that makes kennen a harder matchup than most 1v1 is that every once in a while his hit will give you a mark of the storm, then all he has to do is activate his W or E... or auto attack you more... or hit you with a shuriken... and eventually you'll get stun-locked.

and yeah the damage from W is negligible but i think pre-level 6 or 7, kennen is going to have a huge advantage on you from his variety of skills (a point in each for first 3 levels), and at BEST you're going to break even in an ult-fight. post level 8 when transfusion's cooldown and damage are on godmode, i'd cede the lane to vlad for sure though.

although yeah, vlad is still a top laner, i'm not arguing that. i just think that there are some matchups he struggles with (anivia morde kennen for example). not necessarily lose the matchup, but not roll the other champ like he does in 80% of 1v1s


I feel the only matchup I'm afraid of sometimes is Tristana and Ezreal because they have high damage long range physical attacks. Everything else you can just play it safe and hide behind creeps while you heal up.


ez is a hard matchup for everyone though.

the thing is, if you want to commit to beating vlad you just have to harass him early before transfusion is efficient. pre-level 5 if he uses transfusion on a creep, that gives you like 15 seconds to harass him without him healing it
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
goldenkrnboi
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 20:37:57
August 21 2010 20:37 GMT
#13666
hehehe veigar vs. veigar mid-late game is so funny. all a matter of who can get their ults off first and who can stun. i sniped the other veigar like 6/7 times without getting sniped at all. he rushed soulstealer and had like 18 stacks. by the end he only had like 4/5
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 21 2010 20:38 GMT
#13667
Why didn't u just get a banshee's veil O_o
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
August 21 2010 20:42 GMT
#13668
Ahh it's been so long since I've played, what'd I miss?! Is the new gargoyle hero good? Who won the WCG? Any other good LoL drama pages I should read?
Retvrn to Forvms
Bullet
Profile Joined June 2010
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 20:50:55
August 21 2010 20:50 GMT
#13669
Dang didn't know the LoL thread was so huge on TL.
I'll have to post a new thread about an upcoming tournament once i get 10 posts. ^^
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
August 21 2010 20:57 GMT
#13670
On August 22 2010 05:50 Bullet wrote:
Dang didn't know the LoL thread was so huge on TL.
I'll have to post a new thread about an upcoming tournament once i get 10 posts. ^^

This is the second thread. The other one got too big so we started a new one.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 21 2010 20:57 GMT
#13671
On August 22 2010 05:42 Chrispy wrote:
Ahh it's been so long since I've played, what'd I miss?! Is the new gargoyle hero good? Who won the WCG? Any other good LoL drama pages I should read?


1) kinda, hes magic rammus + amumu
2) not over yet
3) yeah go back like 5-6 pages some guys got banned and hacked etc
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
August 21 2010 20:57 GMT
#13672
On August 22 2010 05:14 Juicyfruit wrote:
Yo utah, you seriously need to consider getting a doran's shield at the start against the likes of ezreal. Your HP was hovering near middle but your mana was practically full. I don't think you're benefitting too much from the ring at all.


Yeah it's interesting how much W seems to affect things. I'll try that out next time.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 21 2010 20:59 GMT
#13673
On August 22 2010 05:24 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 05:20 Phrost wrote:
On August 22 2010 05:16 gtrsrs wrote:
On August 22 2010 02:17 Phrost wrote:
Kennen is generally obnoxious when played well, but god awful when not.

If a Vlad lost to a kennen then he wasnt playing well because it's pretty easy to bait shuriken tosses at creeps and the amount of damage dealt by the lightning blast thing (is it W? i think?) is negligible compared to transfusion.

I stand by Vladimir can't really lose a lane 1v1 because of how much passive healing he has.


can't you say that about any hero?

and can't you say *that* about any hero? it's easy to bait any skill from a champ if they're not as good as you... a player that's better than you will always back off when he sees you light up orange (meaning you're going to attack him) and return a hit when it's favorable for him. the thing that makes kennen a harder matchup than most 1v1 is that every once in a while his hit will give you a mark of the storm, then all he has to do is activate his W or E... or auto attack you more... or hit you with a shuriken... and eventually you'll get stun-locked.

and yeah the damage from W is negligible but i think pre-level 6 or 7, kennen is going to have a huge advantage on you from his variety of skills (a point in each for first 3 levels), and at BEST you're going to break even in an ult-fight. post level 8 when transfusion's cooldown and damage are on godmode, i'd cede the lane to vlad for sure though.

although yeah, vlad is still a top laner, i'm not arguing that. i just think that there are some matchups he struggles with (anivia morde kennen for example). not necessarily lose the matchup, but not roll the other champ like he does in 80% of 1v1s


I feel the only matchup I'm afraid of sometimes is Tristana and Ezreal because they have high damage long range physical attacks. Everything else you can just play it safe and hide behind creeps while you heal up.


ez is a hard matchup for everyone though.

the thing is, if you want to commit to beating vlad you just have to harass him early before transfusion is efficient. pre-level 5 if he uses transfusion on a creep, that gives you like 15 seconds to harass him without him healing it



Ez isnt a hard matchup, its the only one of few I sometimes have to try.

If you keep transfusion on cooldown and hug creeps you wont lose but you wont necessarily dent ezreal's farming or leveling (like you could against most other champions).

I stand by Vladimir being the hardest 1v1 to lane against, much like Nidalee a few months ago.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 21:17:23
August 21 2010 21:16 GMT
#13674
On August 22 2010 05:59 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 05:24 gtrsrs wrote:
On August 22 2010 05:20 Phrost wrote:
On August 22 2010 05:16 gtrsrs wrote:
On August 22 2010 02:17 Phrost wrote:
Kennen is generally obnoxious when played well, but god awful when not.

If a Vlad lost to a kennen then he wasnt playing well because it's pretty easy to bait shuriken tosses at creeps and the amount of damage dealt by the lightning blast thing (is it W? i think?) is negligible compared to transfusion.

I stand by Vladimir can't really lose a lane 1v1 because of how much passive healing he has.


can't you say that about any hero?

and can't you say *that* about any hero? it's easy to bait any skill from a champ if they're not as good as you... a player that's better than you will always back off when he sees you light up orange (meaning you're going to attack him) and return a hit when it's favorable for him. the thing that makes kennen a harder matchup than most 1v1 is that every once in a while his hit will give you a mark of the storm, then all he has to do is activate his W or E... or auto attack you more... or hit you with a shuriken... and eventually you'll get stun-locked.

and yeah the damage from W is negligible but i think pre-level 6 or 7, kennen is going to have a huge advantage on you from his variety of skills (a point in each for first 3 levels), and at BEST you're going to break even in an ult-fight. post level 8 when transfusion's cooldown and damage are on godmode, i'd cede the lane to vlad for sure though.

although yeah, vlad is still a top laner, i'm not arguing that. i just think that there are some matchups he struggles with (anivia morde kennen for example). not necessarily lose the matchup, but not roll the other champ like he does in 80% of 1v1s


I feel the only matchup I'm afraid of sometimes is Tristana and Ezreal because they have high damage long range physical attacks. Everything else you can just play it safe and hide behind creeps while you heal up.


ez is a hard matchup for everyone though.

the thing is, if you want to commit to beating vlad you just have to harass him early before transfusion is efficient. pre-level 5 if he uses transfusion on a creep, that gives you like 15 seconds to harass him without him healing it
Ez isnt a hard matchup, its the only one of few I sometimes have to try.

If you keep transfusion on cooldown and hug creeps you wont lose but you wont necessarily dent ezreal's farming or leveling (like you could against most other champions).

I stand by Vladimir being the hardest 1v1 to lane against, much like Nidalee a few months ago.
you simply have to concede lane and try to out-cs vlad. it sucks but that's the only solution i can find so far. most vladimir suck and only look good because he's an easy/cheap char (much like ashe was recently).
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 21:19:11
August 21 2010 21:18 GMT
#13675
http://www.justin.tv/competitiveonline#/w/332357568/2
TL premade caught on some random stream P

Too bad they don't stream via livestream, it would be possible to watch dual stream
EffectS
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium795 Posts
August 21 2010 21:21 GMT
#13676
[image loading]
TEEHEE
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 21 2010 21:25 GMT
#13677
On August 22 2010 06:21 EffectS wrote:
[image loading]


I duno, i think they picked the wrong champions
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
August 21 2010 21:29 GMT
#13678
Yay, good job TL you didn't fail expectations
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
August 21 2010 21:32 GMT
#13679
Buttercup is totally Poppy
it's my first day
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 21 2010 21:34 GMT
#13680
On August 22 2010 06:29 Kaniol wrote:
Yay, good job TL you didn't fail expectations

Haha I was there!
I feel bad for their fiddle though, they're raging at him for not ganking when we ganked him at blue like 4 times that game.
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