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STS17
United States1817 Posts
SotD goes into either as I feel that item was made for TF. Syncing perfectly with his E and able to gain additional ArPen on demand plus becoming undodgeable means your target is taking damage no matter what they do. I typically run Exhaust/Flash on him and have been quite successful. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:36 Chrispy wrote: I definitely agree there. I used to love AP Sivir so much, but what stopped me from playing her was the constant bickering from my teammates. "OH MY GOD, AP SIVIR? Thanks for the loss." I always wanted to play AP Sivir with some amazing cleaner upper ganker guy because I got so many squishes to 100 hp while they're just chilling by their tower. Send Heimer in to rocket them to death. Gotten so many kills with those things | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:34 Mogwai wrote: Zerker Greaves are the most underrated item in the game, imo. every joe-theorycrafter out there shits on them like it's his job, but the fact remains that they're really cheap and highly efficient at what they do. bleh, i just think that mercs/tabi (and in some cases sorc shoes and mybe mobilities in rare cases) are simply too good to pass up just for some extra atkspeed. If it gave some dmg, or some passive, on the other hand, i would be more willing to look into them edit: i would get them for sure if the enemy team had no cc/ap dmg/ad dmg  | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:42 barbsq wrote: bleh, i just think that mercs/tabi (and in some cases sorc shoes and mybe mobilities in rare cases) are simply too good to pass up just for some extra atkspeed. If it gave some dmg, or some passive, on the other hand, i would be more willing to look into them dodge is really rare, mpen is rare and costy, speed is rare and costy, cc reduction is unique... aspd is the most common stat =S | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:36 barbsq wrote: haha qft, i think i saw araragi livestream an ap sivir game, quite amusing. It was the aegis/warmogs AND ap items that weirded me out, ive never heard of warmogs on her and usually aegis is for aurabitch sivirs, but somehow it ended up working ok (or the ppl we were playing against were bad enough for it to work lol) rofl, I used to get warmogs on sivir. she maxes the stacks on it in like, 5 minutes, it's crazy, lol. Sucks that it's really not that good because you're better off getting Armor/MRes, especially since you typically already have a Bloodthirster or two to keep your health up anyway. But yea, geezus, this talk is making me wanna play AP Sivir again, definitely doing it on my smurf some time soon, lol. I think my build was something like: Doran's Ring Boots Mejai's Sorc Shoes Rylai's Z-Ring Void Staff So funny pinging someone sitting near their tower for like 1200 with a boomerang, hahahahaha. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:46 Mogwai wrote: well, right I get that the other stats are rarer and shit, I just think that rarity is overrated, lol. with zerker greaves, you pay 150 for +20 Move Speed and +10% Attack Speed. Boring, sure, but it's also really efficient if your goal is just outputting damage with attacks, they can't be beat. When you're defending 'zerks as a non-situational buy, you're playing too much Kayle. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:52 oberon wrote: When you're defending 'zerks as a non-situational buy, you're playing too much Kayle. Rofl qft... TF is so insanely squishy tho  I liked playing him but whenever I die I just feel so powerless... can't even blink and I'm dead  | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:58 Southlight wrote: I see Zerk on TF/Ashe/Sivir a lot. Generally the DPS carries, particularly if they're carrying Cleanse. i feel like the reason i neglect them so often is that i play at the level where everyone knows to focus squishies, but are not good enough at positioning such that the ranged dps is sufficiently protected in teamfights edit: which is why i do sometimes get them on heroes like ezreal and kayle, i am comfortable enough with ezreal that i can always be able to properly position myself just about anywhere, since i run ghost/flash and kayle is kayle, end of story. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
Then again I get Merc Treads or Sorc boots on every other char I play.. I probably should get ninja tabi sometimes, but i love merc treads | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:14 BraveGhost wrote: I get berserker greaves on tristana(berserker and last whisper my only as items I get on trist normally)... I just feel merc treads and ninja tabi aren't worth it... if i get stunned Im either dead or we have a numbers advantage and they can't reach me. I stay way in the back and W farther back as soon as someone gets close(I play pretty cautious the entire game tbh)... I just shoot at the squishiest target that i can get to without being too vulnerable. Then again I get Merc Treads or Sorc boots on every other char I play.. I probably should get ninja tabi sometimes, but i love merc treads i dont get tabi so much either, but its mostly because i rarely encounter teams that dont have more magic dmg than physical. Also, of all ranged dps ppl to get zerkers, trist would be the last on my list simply due to her q giving so much atkspeed already, with mercs/tabi + banshees ur pretty much set against most teams in terms of survivability | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
then again it could be all the kayle I'm playing now, lol. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:14 BraveGhost wrote: I get berserker greaves on tristana(berserker and last whisper my only as items I get on trist normally)... I just feel merc treads and ninja tabi aren't worth it... if i get stunned Im either dead or we have a numbers advantage and they can't reach me. I stay way in the back and W farther back as soon as someone gets close(I play pretty cautious the entire game tbh)... I just shoot at the squishiest target that i can get to without being too vulnerable. Then again I get Merc Treads or Sorc boots on every other char I play.. I probably should get ninja tabi sometimes, but i love merc treads err get something else on trist. her q give you a boatload of aspd. you will do so much more damage if you get IE or cleaver on her before getting a recurve bow item(starks or LW). | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
 I get boots, rush bf sword, then get boots 2, then get infinity edge.. I don't think you guys understood my post =/ | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:28 BraveGhost wrote: I don't go over max as with my build on trist so greaves are fine.. I get boots, rush bf sword, then get boots 2, then get infinity edge.. I don't think you guys understood my post =/i understood it just had to point out how redundant q+greaves were. Tbh, tho, you dont seem to have the problem of being the main target of cc, so tbh there's not much else to get for dps ppl other than zerkers if ur not getting pew pew'd. Its just that i get pew pew'd alot, so it makes sense for me. Hmmm i seem to get hit by alot of things irl too (i.e. i was that kid who always got hit in the head/balls with the soccer ball etc.), mybe its a genetics thing.... | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:40 barbsq wrote: i understood it just had to point out how redundant q+greaves were. Tbh, tho, you dont seem to have the problem of being the main target of cc, so tbh there's not much else to get for dps ppl other than zerkers if ur not getting pew pew'd.stop putting yourself where they can pew pew you! | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:28 BraveGhost wrote: I don't go over max as with my build on trist so greaves are fine.. I get boots, rush bf sword, then get boots 2, then get infinity edge.. I don't think you guys understood my post =/you made it sound like the first items you get are zerkers and LW. whether or not you go over max isnt the issue. having alot of aspd and little damage is much worse than a moderate amount of dmg and aspd. so since you are getting so much aspd from q, its much more efficient to get dmg. its like when people said get armor/MR on cho since his feast already gets him hp. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
d blade boots phage zerker's IE sounds perfectly balanced for outputting a ton of damage as trist. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:42 Mogwai wrote: stop putting yourself where they can pew pew you! working on that somehow, i always have this irresistible urge to A) chase ppl endlessly and B) get really close to them when im killing them for some reason its really hard to suppress, and is the major reason why i favor mercs/tabi over most anything else | ||
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