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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 02 2010 15:19 GMT
#9801
Oh yeah I forgot Abyssal, although no caster really gets it.

I didn't want to mention masteries because the majority of casters don't like having to stick 9/X/X
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 15:25 GMT
#9802
On August 03 2010 00:19 Southlight wrote:
Oh yeah I forgot Abyssal, although no caster really gets it.

I didn't want to mention masteries because the majority of casters don't like having to stick 9/X/X

I dunno, most people seem to advocate 9/0/21 as default caster setup still, even with SoS's existence :p.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 02 2010 15:29 GMT
#9803
And that's why they don't fare as well against damage exchange :p Master of LoL was QQing because at like level 6 my regen per 5 was 18/27 which was "def masteries op"

I'm not denying that 15% mpen is great late-game but it's a bit rough to have to set up for, IMO.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 02 2010 15:29 GMT
#9804
On August 03 2010 00:18 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 00:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
2 questions-

1st, how does one build kayle to be the queen of destruction? I have tried some different builds, but havent run into anything that has given me enough success to think she was op.

2nd, As i near level 20, what runes should i get? i think I'd like one page for melee characters and another for ranged, but i just dont know what to get. or should i build them differently?

FotM Kayle rapeface build is doran's ring -> zerker greaves -> Guinsoo's Rageblade -> Nashor's Tooth -> triple elixir pump. Ghost/Cleanse, masteries and runes are really w/e you want, she's flexible enough that you can legit just use them to customize towards how you like playing.

Melee vs. Ranged isn't much of a deal for runes, it's much more about 2 questions:
1) do my characters use mana? (if yes, get mana regen/level seals and glyphs, if no, get flat cooldown or magic resist glyphs and HP/level or Dodge seals.)
2) do I rely more on physical or magic damage in team fights? (if physical, get armor pen marks, if magical get magic pen marks)

quints should probably be armor Pen if you play mostly physical damage carries, but flat health quints are the most versatile... no one is sad to get 97 health from quints. I went through a long period of only using flat HP quints, but I eventually got over it. That being said, they're still good and IMO are a really solid investment when you're just hitting tier 3 runes because they work for everyone and are very forgiving whereas Movespeed or Armor Pen Quints might make for trickier early game if you're still learning your characters etc.

How can I tell if im doing physical or magic damage? For example, when i use and ad kat, is her ult physical damage or magic? what about bouncing blade?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 02 2010 15:31 GMT
#9805
[image loading]

sup
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 02 2010 15:33 GMT
#9806
Everything of katarina is magic damage.

Almost everything of kayle is magic damage, except the actual physical aspect of the autoattack (the splash is magic)
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 15:33 GMT
#9807
On August 03 2010 00:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 00:18 Mogwai wrote:
On August 03 2010 00:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
2 questions-

1st, how does one build kayle to be the queen of destruction? I have tried some different builds, but havent run into anything that has given me enough success to think she was op.

2nd, As i near level 20, what runes should i get? i think I'd like one page for melee characters and another for ranged, but i just dont know what to get. or should i build them differently?

FotM Kayle rapeface build is doran's ring -> zerker greaves -> Guinsoo's Rageblade -> Nashor's Tooth -> triple elixir pump. Ghost/Cleanse, masteries and runes are really w/e you want, she's flexible enough that you can legit just use them to customize towards how you like playing.

Melee vs. Ranged isn't much of a deal for runes, it's much more about 2 questions:
1) do my characters use mana? (if yes, get mana regen/level seals and glyphs, if no, get flat cooldown or magic resist glyphs and HP/level or Dodge seals.)
2) do I rely more on physical or magic damage in team fights? (if physical, get armor pen marks, if magical get magic pen marks)

quints should probably be armor Pen if you play mostly physical damage carries, but flat health quints are the most versatile... no one is sad to get 97 health from quints. I went through a long period of only using flat HP quints, but I eventually got over it. That being said, they're still good and IMO are a really solid investment when you're just hitting tier 3 runes because they work for everyone and are very forgiving whereas Movespeed or Armor Pen Quints might make for trickier early game if you're still learning your characters etc.

How can I tell if im doing physical or magic damage? For example, when i use and ad kat, is her ult physical damage or magic? what about bouncing blade?

It's all magic damage on Kat. You can get a rough idea by checking your post game stats and comparing magic to physical damage. You can also read your ability descriptions, most descriptions are pretty good about explaining whether they do magical or physical.

I have no idea what a pro Kat rune setup would look like *looks at redtooth*

...but the amateur Kat rune approach would probably be:
Marks: Magic Pen
Seals: HP/Level
Glyphs: Cooldown Reduction
Glyphs: HP
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 15:38:17
August 02 2010 15:36 GMT
#9808
I thought kats used dodge seals since they almost invariably go 21 defense and therefore score nimbleness along the way. It's nice to proc the speed boost from dodging minion hits for finishing off a low healthie during laning, haha.

Redtooth can play 21-utility kat though
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 02 2010 15:39 GMT
#9809
my hypotethical kat rune build would be mpen, mres/lvl, mres/lvl, mpen, hp, hp.

In some cases with ap kat you can replace some mres/lvl and hp runes with ap/lvl and ap ones.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 15:53 GMT
#9810
that's the proest Annie build I've ever seen Shikyo
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 02 2010 15:54 GMT
#9811
Duh it's the standard jungle annie build
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 02 2010 15:55 GMT
#9812
On August 03 2010 00:53 Mogwai wrote:
that's the proest Annie build I've ever seen Shikyo


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5358669

It had to be done.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 15:56 GMT
#9813
I knew my comment would eventually take things there... :p

I need another rune page so that when I go on tilt, I can play jungle Pantheon without having to re-do my Kayle/Xin page.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 02 2010 15:58 GMT
#9814
Now I think I'm supposed to try to convince you that that totally was a ranked game!
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 02 2010 15:59 GMT
#9815
I need another rune page so I have a fake fur page, a silencing mother page, and a to battle page.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
August 02 2010 16:13 GMT
#9816
I was wondering what are some good builds on Veigar.

So far I have been playing him with pure AP damage, but I'm afraid I will get raped later on when people know what to do.

I tried looking at league craft but all guides look like crap : [
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
August 02 2010 16:16 GMT
#9817
I guess I should clarify that I meant I get all AP stacking items except for boots. No survival items or any sort lol.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 02 2010 16:17 GMT
#9818
Deathfire Grasp is core on Veigar, otherwise I'm not really sure, you're probably just supposed to stack AP.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 16:41:34
August 02 2010 16:39 GMT
#9819
Practice game as mordekaiser with 4 leavers, I ended up going legendary and they couldn't kill me 5v1 and I got 4 kills from that but then 3 of the leavers came back and we surrendered with 3-1 votes. Fuuuuuu

On August 03 2010 01:17 Southlight wrote:
Deathfire Grasp is core on Veigar, otherwise I'm not really sure, you're probably just supposed to stack AP.

It's shit on Veigar, go RoA, Void, Zhonya, Rylai, GA
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 02 2010 16:57 GMT
#9820
Oh god its so weird seing ITW without his usual icon :C

Ah w/e

Been fucking around on ap teemo lately opening deathfire grasp int owhatever, was fun because since I am stuck at low rating (1200-1300 ish ) then I can carry as ap teemo if i get lucky :p
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