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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51663 Posts
August 02 2010 13:08 GMT
#9781
hell yeh negatron cloak getting some love
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 13:25:13
August 02 2010 13:21 GMT
#9782
Moonlight Cloak looks like utter crap.

Suppose you somehow get an unrealistic amount of MR, say 300, this would equate to 75% magic damage reduction. Healing 5% of the reduced damage will be 75% * 5% = about 3,5%. The damage done to you will equate to 25% - 3.5% = 21.5% of the original spell damage. That's around 60 more magic resist, but don't forget we're already talking about 300 MR and the recipe itself costs 600 gold.

For lower values it's even less benefit, if you have 100 MR, that 5% equates into getting 10 more MR, WHAT A DEAL!!!
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 02 2010 13:40 GMT
#9783
Essentially a flat 10% reduction in the damage you take is pretty significant.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 13:41:23
August 02 2010 13:40 GMT
#9784
On August 02 2010 20:42 Niton wrote:
Supposed new items coming in patch, can't confirm but they're on the Something Awful forums from a good poster:

Moonlight Cloak

600g + Negatron Cloak (740g) + Giant's Belt (1110g)

500 Health
60 Magic Resistance
Passive: 5% of resisted magic damage is restored to you as HP

Obsidian Mail

1000g + Negatron Cloak (740g) + Null-Magic Mantle (400g)

80 Magic Resistance
UNIQUE Passive: Reflects 15% of all spell damage, before resistance, counts as physical damage.

Voidling Soul

300g + Null Magic Mantle (400g) + Ruby Crystal (475g)

200 Health
30 Magic Resistance
Passive: Increases magic resistance by 1% of your total HP

WHAT THE FUCK NOOOOOOOOO
i think.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 02 2010 13:47 GMT
#9785
On August 02 2010 22:40 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 20:42 Niton wrote:
Supposed new items coming in patch, can't confirm but they're on the Something Awful forums from a good poster:

Moonlight Cloak

600g + Negatron Cloak (740g) + Giant's Belt (1110g)

500 Health
60 Magic Resistance
Passive: 5% of resisted magic damage is restored to you as HP

Obsidian Mail

1000g + Negatron Cloak (740g) + Null-Magic Mantle (400g)

80 Magic Resistance
UNIQUE Passive: Reflects 15% of all spell damage, before resistance, counts as physical damage.

Voidling Soul

300g + Null Magic Mantle (400g) + Ruby Crystal (475g)

200 Health
30 Magic Resistance
Passive: Increases magic resistance by 1% of your total HP

WHAT THE FUCK NOOOOOOOOO
i think.


Thank the lord, some, actually good, MR items. I think banshees was the only thing that gave you health and MR before. Bout fricking time.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 13:54 GMT
#9786
meh, I don't think those will all come out at once... the big issue, as everyone else is saying, is that while MR items mostly suck right now, life as a caster is already hard enough. I already feel like I'm fighting a losing battle late game with Annie, the last thing I want is every damn tank running around with 250 MR.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 02 2010 13:55 GMT
#9787
Lol, this day I was complaining about how MR was hard to gear for

Yay at this!
In the woods, there lurks..
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 14:01:03
August 02 2010 13:59 GMT
#9788
I agree that more mpen is needed and that the game is dominated by the high hp melee heroes at the moment. No necessarily tanks. However, a caster that snowballs early and gets like a half stack of mejai's can essentially ruin the game because the early/mid game MR options were (assuming these MR items are coming soon) atrociously bad.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Trok67
Profile Joined May 2010
France384 Posts
August 02 2010 14:04 GMT
#9789
Its allready super hard late game for caster against setup with many tanks with magic resists and now its gonna be even harder. Even if it seems that more magic resist items were maybe needed, but they seem really a bit OP unless riot also add some magic pen item or change the magic pen calculation the way it was before (meaning %magic pen counted before flat magic pen which was way better against tank with hard magic resist)
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 14:22 GMT
#9790
meh, now I'm sorta wishing I got my shit together for the WCG qualifiers, oh well...
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
August 02 2010 14:44 GMT
#9791
Do we really need more MR items? As Nasus, I feel pretty safe from casters once I get up Banshee's + GA. Actually had a game like this last night - their team was Annie/Rammus/Vlad/Zilean/Kayle - once I got my core up they couldn't kill me, without blowing everything they had and then some. (We still lost though, didn't have the firepower to bring down a farmed Rammus with Kayle and Zilean ult support. )

The magic Thornmail is OK I guess for carries who need MR without giving up too much killing power.
it's my first day
FlameSworD
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 14:50:51
August 02 2010 14:50 GMT
#9792
ye those mr items look sweet ;d
skyhighftw on iccup
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 14:51 GMT
#9793
New Guy supposedly: Galio the Gargoyle

Runic Skin(Passive)- "Galio converts 60% of his total Magic Resistance into Ability Power."

Bulwark- "Galio shields a friendly champion, reducing all damage suffered by that unit and converting a portion of the damage into health for himself."

Idol Of Durand- "Galio assumes the form of a statue, taunting nearby enemies and storing concussive energy as they attack him. Galio then bursts from his statue shell, releasing the stored energy to damage surrounding foes."

Resolute Smite- "Galio fires a concussive blast from his eyes, slowing and dealing damage to enemies caught near the impact point."

Righteous Gust- "Galio claps his wings, unleashing a gust of concussive wind that damages enemies and leaves a directional draft in its wake that increases ally movement speed."

Source:
http://www.lolesp.com/foros/lol/general/proximo-campeon-galio-la-gargola/91514-1/

There's also an Ezreal Post seemingly confirming this:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=2234731#post2234731
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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 02 2010 14:51 GMT
#9794
Those items just feel meh. I've never really had any issue getting magic resist up to sufficient levels and most of the heroes which deal exclusively magic damage, or at least magic damage makes up a large portion of their damage, taper off as the game goes later and this will only accelerate that process. Either they need to come out with some better items for those casters or beef up their AP ratios to compensate.

Adding more Magic Pen items might help but those items would also need to increase our AP as well since tanks are getting MR and HP off the same items.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
August 02 2010 14:57 GMT
#9795
That linked lol forum thread makes it sound like they're dropping these MR items just to hype Galio.
it's my first day
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 02 2010 15:04 GMT
#9796
Myopia you might be right.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 15:09 GMT
#9797
On August 02 2010 22:04 Southlight wrote:
Last Whisper 40%
Bruta 15 Ghostblade 20
Starks 25
SotD 30
Cleaver 15x4
Runes 18/12

Sorc 20
Guise 20
Void 40%
Runes 9/5/5

Result: Balance /sarcasm

Well...

Stark's is 20
Cleaver is 12 x 5

and if you're gonna count Stark's, you also need to count abyssal scepter, which is another 20 for Magic Pen. and you really should also point out masteries if you're gonna point out Runes, which is 15% for Magic and flat 6 for Armor

so like, it's really:

Last Whisper 40%
Bruta 15
Ghostblade 20
Stark's 20
SotD 30
Cleaver 12 x 5 = 60
Runes 18/12
Sunder 6

Sorc 20
Guise 20
Abyssal 20
Void 40%
Runes 9/5/5
Archaic 15%

so, yea, definitely still not balanced or anything, but it's not quite as bad as you made it out to be. I think the thing that they really really missed was how changing the order of penetration did very little to Armor Pen since most of the time Armor was either a bunch of flat pen or just saying fuck it and grabbing just LW, whereas it completely boned Archaic Knowledge, which was a staple Mastery for Casters.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 02 2010 15:10 GMT
#9798
2 questions-

1st, how does one build kayle to be the queen of destruction? I have tried some different builds, but havent run into anything that has given me enough success to think she was op.

2nd, As i near level 20, what runes should i get? i think I'd like one page for melee characters and another for ranged, but i just dont know what to get. or should i build them differently?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 02 2010 15:16 GMT
#9799
Baaah, new magic resist item is stupid. Casters already have piss-poor scaling into late-game where it becomes a contest of "who has more hard cc and DPS" anyways.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 15:18 GMT
#9800
On August 03 2010 00:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
2 questions-

1st, how does one build kayle to be the queen of destruction? I have tried some different builds, but havent run into anything that has given me enough success to think she was op.

2nd, As i near level 20, what runes should i get? i think I'd like one page for melee characters and another for ranged, but i just dont know what to get. or should i build them differently?

FotM Kayle rapeface build is doran's ring -> zerker greaves -> Guinsoo's Rageblade -> Nashor's Tooth -> triple elixir pump. Ghost/Cleanse, masteries and runes are really w/e you want, she's flexible enough that you can legit just use them to customize towards how you like playing.

Melee vs. Ranged isn't much of a deal for runes, it's much more about 2 questions:
1) do my characters use mana? (if yes, get mana regen/level seals and glyphs, if no, get flat cooldown or magic resist glyphs and HP/level or Dodge seals.)
2) do I rely more on physical or magic damage in team fights? (if physical, get armor pen marks, if magical get magic pen marks)

quints should probably be armor Pen if you play mostly physical damage carries, but flat health quints are the most versatile... no one is sad to get 97 health from quints. I went through a long period of only using flat HP quints, but I eventually got over it. That being said, they're still good and IMO are a really solid investment when you're just hitting tier 3 runes because they work for everyone and are very forgiving whereas Movespeed or Armor Pen Quints might make for trickier early game if you're still learning your characters etc.
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