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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 04:34 GMT
#9741
wait, what's bad about udyr in the late game?

p.s. 1570 now, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, coming for you utah, with or without pantheon :p
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Eloquent
Profile Joined July 2009
United States475 Posts
August 02 2010 04:39 GMT
#9742
On August 02 2010 08:54 STS17 wrote:
Someone please explain this to me... for it perplexes me to no end.

+ Show Spoiler +
WHY IS THERE A LINK TO DOWNLOAD THE GAME INSIDE THE GAME CLIENT?


Exactly the same thing I thought! Everytime I look at it, it confuses me more and more...
Jaedong for Platnium Mouse.
Nafaltar
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany302 Posts
August 02 2010 04:40 GMT
#9743
Its not so much that anything is bad, its just that others severely outshine Udyr in late while Udyr is the god of mid game and excellent early game. So if you aren't already winning going into the late game you kinda missed your opportunity (even if he has a bigger window and much less of a drop off than say an Annie).
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 02 2010 04:55 GMT
#9744
On August 02 2010 13:31 Nafaltar wrote:
Well being "unkillable" is one thing, being comparatively bad to other tanks in the late game is another thing.

You're not supposed to compare him to other tanks just because he builds like one. He's still a dps.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 04:56 GMT
#9745
udyr just accidentally does so much damage. when you get to the point where they can't kill you, you're a real pain in the ass because he just latches onto your squishies and kills them. he also is a stun bot, which is obviously very useful.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 02 2010 05:06 GMT
#9746
I'm two pages behind you in ladder too, utah .
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 02 2010 05:12 GMT
#9747
On August 02 2010 14:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm two pages behind you in ladder too, utah .

eff and you're a page ahead of me :p

must... get... 3... elo points :p
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 02 2010 05:24 GMT
#9748
Lololol, I just happened to get carried super hard by grandjudge vs a lilac and kobe24. No skill involved at all .
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
August 02 2010 05:58 GMT
#9749
The only time this game sucks is when you get 1-2 totally depressing players who just whine all game and complain.
Never Knows Best.
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
August 02 2010 06:14 GMT
#9750
On August 02 2010 14:58 Slaughter wrote:
The only time this game sucks is when you get 1-2 totally depressing players who just whine all game and complain.


I actually completely agree, I don't mind losing if I don't have people crying all day
I get the feeling that the more I level the more I'm going to encounter these fuckers
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
August 02 2010 06:25 GMT
#9751
[image loading]


First penta kill yea!!!!!!!!1

Corki is awesome!!!
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
August 02 2010 06:47 GMT
#9752
I really don't get why I keep losing with Garen. I guess maybe all my kills are just ks because his ult is like the ultimate KS but I really can't carry with this guy.

Or maybe I just haven't been getting lucky enough on the solo queue roll of the dice. :[ QQ
Retvrn to Forvms
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
August 02 2010 07:47 GMT
#9753
On August 02 2010 15:47 Chrispy wrote:
I really don't get why I keep losing with Garen. I guess maybe all my kills are just ks because his ult is like the ultimate KS but I really can't carry with this guy.

Or maybe I just haven't been getting lucky enough on the solo queue roll of the dice. :[ QQ


Sometimes a hero has just not been made for you. That kind of shit happened with me an Karthus.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
August 02 2010 08:02 GMT
#9754
Im having problems carrying teams as Karthus as well But he is the hero for me but im just not that good yet to take over a game in terms of pushing towers and game awareness. Im at the point where I usually have a 2:1+ K/D but that doesn't mean jack when you lose.
Never Knows Best.
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 08:14:36
August 02 2010 08:11 GMT
#9755
I just unlocked Garen with this game as Xin..
[image loading]

I didn't even get to do anything before the game was over
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
August 02 2010 08:14 GMT
#9756
On August 02 2010 06:27 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 06:05 BluzMan wrote:
Can anyone explain me the deal with Alistar?

Two mediocre spells on longass cooldowns, a heal that gets totally irrelevant in later game/useless in teamfights, the worst autoattack DPS in the game coupled with an ult that makes him impossible to kill but since his both spells are already on cooldown and that extra damage doesn't do ANYTHING with your attack speed theres like 0 reason to attack you so it's useless. Did I mention ridiculously high manacosts in comparison to his mana pool? I can't understand how to play this hero. Is he just that bad or is it just me?

u press R, u flash in and stomp + punt the guy into your team.
lol ezgame


In a perfect world, yes. In a worse one you get their tank (who runs around with their carry in front?) and/or Flash is on cooldown. The only real scenario is get close/Q/then run around them and W which most often won't be allowed. To be able to W right after Flash you need to blink from point blank range.

It's all fine, but consider that you don't need to do a retarded skill combo with a summoner spell to achieve the same results with Gragas, just hit R. Or Blitzcrank (who also ACTUALLY DOES DAMAGE). Or Singed. Well, practically any other champ with a displacement skill save for maybe Tristana but displacement isn't her main job anyway.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
August 02 2010 08:20 GMT
#9757
On August 02 2010 17:14 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 06:27 HeavOnEarth wrote:
On August 02 2010 06:05 BluzMan wrote:
Can anyone explain me the deal with Alistar?

Two mediocre spells on longass cooldowns, a heal that gets totally irrelevant in later game/useless in teamfights, the worst autoattack DPS in the game coupled with an ult that makes him impossible to kill but since his both spells are already on cooldown and that extra damage doesn't do ANYTHING with your attack speed theres like 0 reason to attack you so it's useless. Did I mention ridiculously high manacosts in comparison to his mana pool? I can't understand how to play this hero. Is he just that bad or is it just me?

u press R, u flash in and stomp + punt the guy into your team.
lol ezgame


In a perfect world, yes. In a worse one you get their tank (who runs around with their carry in front?) and/or Flash is on cooldown. The only real scenario is get close/Q/then run around them and W which most often won't be allowed. To be able to W right after Flash you need to blink from point blank range.

It's all fine, but consider that you don't need to do a retarded skill combo with a summoner spell to achieve the same results with Gragas, just hit R. Or Blitzcrank (who also ACTUALLY DOES DAMAGE). Or Singed. Well, practically any other champ with a displacement skill save for maybe Tristana but displacement isn't her main job anyway.


you don't need to do a retarded skillshot with allistar, unlike blitz
you don't need to have super great r timing with gragas

whats so hard about ghosting, flashing, q -> punt. is it really that much skill?

he does fine enough damage for a tank, and can stun. i don't really see your hatred for allistar. ever run a healing push comp with allistar? it's really quite stupid even after the nerf
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 08:28:45
August 02 2010 08:28 GMT
#9758
On August 02 2010 17:20 shawster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 17:14 BluzMan wrote:
On August 02 2010 06:27 HeavOnEarth wrote:
On August 02 2010 06:05 BluzMan wrote:
Can anyone explain me the deal with Alistar?

Two mediocre spells on longass cooldowns, a heal that gets totally irrelevant in later game/useless in teamfights, the worst autoattack DPS in the game coupled with an ult that makes him impossible to kill but since his both spells are already on cooldown and that extra damage doesn't do ANYTHING with your attack speed theres like 0 reason to attack you so it's useless. Did I mention ridiculously high manacosts in comparison to his mana pool? I can't understand how to play this hero. Is he just that bad or is it just me?

u press R, u flash in and stomp + punt the guy into your team.
lol ezgame


In a perfect world, yes. In a worse one you get their tank (who runs around with their carry in front?) and/or Flash is on cooldown. The only real scenario is get close/Q/then run around them and W which most often won't be allowed. To be able to W right after Flash you need to blink from point blank range.

It's all fine, but consider that you don't need to do a retarded skill combo with a summoner spell to achieve the same results with Gragas, just hit R. Or Blitzcrank (who also ACTUALLY DOES DAMAGE). Or Singed. Well, practically any other champ with a displacement skill save for maybe Tristana but displacement isn't her main job anyway.


you don't need to do a retarded skillshot with allistar, unlike blitz
you don't need to have super great r timing with gragas

whats so hard about ghosting, flashing, q -> punt. is it really that much skill?

he does fine enough damage for a tank, and can stun. i don't really see your hatred for allistar. ever run a healing push comp with allistar? it's really quite stupid even after the nerf


Are you kidding me? At the very least, the cooldown on those spells even with reduction. A hero that can justify his existance by headbutting an enemy (presubably carry) champion into his team (take notice, he doesn't even do any damage to him) and dying every 3 minutes doesn't look very well.

Yeah his heal is nice for pushing, but that's about it.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
August 02 2010 08:33 GMT
#9759
On August 02 2010 17:14 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 06:27 HeavOnEarth wrote:
On August 02 2010 06:05 BluzMan wrote:
Can anyone explain me the deal with Alistar?

Two mediocre spells on longass cooldowns, a heal that gets totally irrelevant in later game/useless in teamfights, the worst autoattack DPS in the game coupled with an ult that makes him impossible to kill but since his both spells are already on cooldown and that extra damage doesn't do ANYTHING with your attack speed theres like 0 reason to attack you so it's useless. Did I mention ridiculously high manacosts in comparison to his mana pool? I can't understand how to play this hero. Is he just that bad or is it just me?

u press R, u flash in and stomp + punt the guy into your team.
lol ezgame


In a perfect world, yes. In a worse one you get their tank (who runs around with their carry in front?) and/or Flash is on cooldown. The only real scenario is get close/Q/then run around them and W which most often won't be allowed. To be able to W right after Flash you need to blink from point blank range.

It's all fine, but consider that you don't need to do a retarded skill combo with a summoner spell to achieve the same results with Gragas, just hit R. Or Blitzcrank (who also ACTUALLY DOES DAMAGE). Or Singed. Well, practically any other champ with a displacement skill save for maybe Tristana but displacement isn't her main job anyway.
oddly enough, i'll use heko's alistar as the model to follow. he's a trash player but has a solid solid alistar. the thing that pulls him ahead of other cow players is his early game. he is constantly harassing using skills during lane. it's not worth getting into an exchange with him since stomp+auto+punt will pull him ahead and as a result he starts zoning you (with alistar LOL). he rushes boots of mobility and with movespeed quints just runs around ganking people (fast cow is fast?). run out of the bush and do your combo and you'll usually get a kill. can't remember too much after that but i just remember that his early game stood out so much.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
August 02 2010 08:38 GMT
#9760
On August 02 2010 17:28 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 17:20 shawster wrote:
On August 02 2010 17:14 BluzMan wrote:
On August 02 2010 06:27 HeavOnEarth wrote:
On August 02 2010 06:05 BluzMan wrote:
Can anyone explain me the deal with Alistar?

Two mediocre spells on longass cooldowns, a heal that gets totally irrelevant in later game/useless in teamfights, the worst autoattack DPS in the game coupled with an ult that makes him impossible to kill but since his both spells are already on cooldown and that extra damage doesn't do ANYTHING with your attack speed theres like 0 reason to attack you so it's useless. Did I mention ridiculously high manacosts in comparison to his mana pool? I can't understand how to play this hero. Is he just that bad or is it just me?

u press R, u flash in and stomp + punt the guy into your team.
lol ezgame


In a perfect world, yes. In a worse one you get their tank (who runs around with their carry in front?) and/or Flash is on cooldown. The only real scenario is get close/Q/then run around them and W which most often won't be allowed. To be able to W right after Flash you need to blink from point blank range.

It's all fine, but consider that you don't need to do a retarded skill combo with a summoner spell to achieve the same results with Gragas, just hit R. Or Blitzcrank (who also ACTUALLY DOES DAMAGE). Or Singed. Well, practically any other champ with a displacement skill save for maybe Tristana but displacement isn't her main job anyway.


you don't need to do a retarded skillshot with allistar, unlike blitz
you don't need to have super great r timing with gragas

whats so hard about ghosting, flashing, q -> punt. is it really that much skill?

he does fine enough damage for a tank, and can stun. i don't really see your hatred for allistar. ever run a healing push comp with allistar? it's really quite stupid even after the nerf
Are you kidding me? At the very least, the cooldown on those spells even with reduction. A hero that can justify his existance by headbutting an enemy (presubably carry) champion into his team (take notice, he doesn't even do any damage to him) and dying every 3 minutes doesn't look very well.

Yeah his heal is nice for pushing, but that's about it.
well if you're arguing that cow is a bad hero then you are wrong lol. just learn to play him better? there are very few heroes that are genuinely "bad" to the point where they aren't redeemable.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
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