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On July 23 2010 07:41 Nafaltar wrote:
Yeh, cause who wants a rageblade on Udyr. I mean +50 hps each turtle stance+actually having use for the lifesteal+absurd damage from phoenix stance is really a terrible choice.
a melee dps who gets in the midst of things need hp
udyr needs hp and lots of it. he doesn't scale super well but he has a crazy good skill set so he does dmg without needing any items.
dats why u go tank udyr, dps is fun as hell though. not gonna die stomping people as dps udyr is hilarious.
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On July 23 2010 06:39 Nafaltar wrote:
Obviously there are many ways to build a Jungle Udyr, but please for the love of all that is holy don't build tanking items early game. At most grab dodge boots if there is plenty physical dps. Otherwise go Rageblade into Nashors. Get one level of E at lvl 4 or 6 max out R then W, then go back to E. As for Masteries I suggest 9/21/0. Rune wise I personally use 3 ArP marks, 6 MP marks, MP quints, Armor seals and MR Glyphs. But AS, CDR, AP, Dodge etc are all valid options.
Are you kidding me? Good luck being 100% melee without any survivability skills and building dps.
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In fairness, it works at low levels where people are so slow you can farm 3 items before serious fighting starts.
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On July 23 2010 07:45 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 07:41 Nafaltar wrote:
Yeh, cause who wants a rageblade on Udyr. I mean +50 hps each turtle stance+actually having use for the lifesteal+absurd damage from phoenix stance is really a terrible choice.
a melee dps who gets in the midst of things need hp udyr needs hp and lots of it. he doesn't scale super well but he has a crazy good skill set so he does dmg without needing any items. dats why u go tank udyr, dps is fun as hell though. not gonna die stomping people as dps udyr is hilarious.
closer, but still no
you want armor/mr on udyr to maximize turtle stance/your incoming heals
hp will just be a bonus from items like banshee veil and sunfire cape
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Oo dps udyr excels early its late where he drops of. You're underestimating his early survivability with out massive tank items. And tank Udyr is severely outclassed by Amumu in next to all regards. As for low levels. I can't speak for super pro top of the line 5v5 games. But at 1500 elo I have over 70% winrate with him, being one of my stronger chars. Where as I have never felt threatened by a Tank Udyr and the only one that would sound scary but I haven't met yet is a locket support Udyr for a heimer lineup. But even then unless you are 5v5 premading with a super specific early push plan your rageblade will make you happier. I am nafaltar on EU in case someone wants to verify that im not just talking out of my ass as I go along.
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On July 23 2010 07:02 Chrispy wrote:
whoop whoop 4 losses in a row into the 1400's I go.
I'm qq'ing everywhere ya know?!
hey oh hey oh!
Sorry old boy
I actually broke that losing streak the first game after we played :X
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Yes! Success! 4 wins and 4 losses. I am again 1201 elo Lol.
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On July 23 2010 08:33 ShloobeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 07:02 Chrispy wrote:
whoop whoop 4 losses in a row into the 1400's I go.
I'm qq'ing everywhere ya know?!
hey oh hey oh! Sorry old boy I actually broke that losing streak the first game after we played :X
The bright side is you probably didn't lose to the same goddamn person 4 times.
Unlike me losing to Salce 5 times in a course of 6 games.
Still haven't gotten revenge...
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On July 23 2010 08:16 Southlight wrote:
In fairness, it works at low levels where people are so slow you can farm 3 items before serious fighting starts.
Yeah, I couldn't give a crap about lower levels though when discussing viable strategies. I also know dps udyr destroys almost everyone 1v1, that just doesn't matter though.
On July 23 2010 08:27 Brees wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 07:45 shawster wrote:On July 23 2010 07:41 Nafaltar wrote:
Yeh, cause who wants a rageblade on Udyr. I mean +50 hps each turtle stance+actually having use for the lifesteal+absurd damage from phoenix stance is really a terrible choice.
a melee dps who gets in the midst of things need hp udyr needs hp and lots of it. he doesn't scale super well but he has a crazy good skill set so he does dmg without needing any items. dats why u go tank udyr, dps is fun as hell though. not gonna die stomping people as dps udyr is hilarious. closer, but still no you want armor/mr on udyr to maximize turtle stance/your incoming heals hp will just be a bonus from items like banshee veil and sunfire cape
This is exactly the reason I think tank Udyr is the ideal build, it's because turtle stance will be like 1000 effective hp after you get some items.
BTW, as a tank vs a magic-heavy team I find that grabbing two negatrons right away and then building a sunfire cape or two seems to be an amazing build. Gives you nice mres and great hp and some damage as well. After the sunfire you turn those into banshee and maybe force of nature if you really are having trouble. Sometimes I even stack 3 negatrons and then build something like guardian angel and sunfires O_o Sunfires works well like that because it gives so much hp, I think~
EDIT: After some horrors in normal games, how can anyone complain about the ranked matchmaking? Most of the time everyone there understands quite a bit about the game and people don't do stupid stuff, people listen. People will build survivability on dps and casters, etc. I haven't had any problems with ranked matchmaking, at least not huge ones. I think I'm like 12-7 in solo queue and already there's people who know what's up.
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Kinda goes in with Turkey reminding me the EHP from GA (although similar to Cata) is actually more effective than Cata/RoA by far if you have a healer. Why do people bother with strict item builds in this game again?
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I always jungle as a tank so it's hard to tell, but...
I stack as many HoGs as humanly possible as fast as possible, because they're the most cost-effective +HP item in the game, the added gold bonus is nice if you can stack them up early. At some point you have to stop, which is why sometimes you see me stop at 1, 2, and 3, and I have no set rule for it :o. Then depending on how their AP heroes are going I'll get one or two Sunfires (more hp) and then start getting MR.
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QUESTION
How does Yi jungle? Can he really do it from level 1?
Obv, use Q a lot, but I don't see how Yi can kill golem level 1 =/
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On July 23 2010 08:52 Southlight wrote:
Kinda goes in with Turkey reminding me the EHP from GA (although similar to Cata) is actually more effective than GA by far if you have a healer. Why do people bother with strict item builds in this game again?
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I always jungle as a tank so it's hard to tell, but...
I stack as many HoGs as humanly possible as fast as possible, because they're the most cost-effective +HP item in the game, the added gold bonus is nice if you can stack them up early. At some point you have to stop, which is why sometimes you see me stop at 1, 2, and 3, and I have no set rule for it :o. Then depending on how their AP heroes are going I'll get one or two Sunfires (more hp) and then start getting MR.
That's another thing yeah, actually if my team has a soraka or something I just buy mass chainmails and negatrons for a while =P
And I have no idea, but it still is so popular to have someone always go for mejais, always go for archangel, etc. It's disgusting how some people build the same items no matter what.
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On July 23 2010 08:48 Shikyo wrote:
EDIT: After some horrors in normal games, how can anyone complain about the ranked matchmaking?
Who are you? What have you done with the real Shikyo?
Yi can jungle from level 1 even without Smite but early on you're more at the mercy of Alpha Strike procs. Smite's obviously more safe, and jungling at level 2 is the safest, but so far I've only seen one person bother to level to 2 before jungling.
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On July 23 2010 08:33 ShloobeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 07:02 Chrispy wrote:
whoop whoop 4 losses in a row into the 1400's I go.
I'm qq'ing everywhere ya know?!
hey oh hey oh! Sorry old boy I actually broke that losing streak the first game after we played :X
Haha lucky. 
It's a vicious cycle.. the lower you go the worse teammates you get and the more you go on tilt/play crappy/not care. I don't really care just my Ezreal winrate was so sexy. But now it's down 10% and not sexy at all.
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On July 23 2010 08:55 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 08:48 Shikyo wrote:
EDIT: After some horrors in normal games, how can anyone complain about the ranked matchmaking? Who are you? What have you done with the real Shikyo? Yi can jungle from level 1 even without Smite but early on you're more at the mercy of Alpha Strike procs. Smite's obviously more safe, and jungling at level 2 is the safest, but so far I've only seen one person bother to level to 2 before jungling.
Most of my whine was about normal ;( On like a 5-game winstreak on ranked solo queue right now... I guess all the stupids who made me lose early on have been "banned" by the new level limit
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On July 23 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 05:26 Chrispy wrote:
Cool thing I just found out that maybe everyone already knows:
Right clicking your runes on your rune page automatically takes them off your page, and double clicking your runes on the list puts them on to your page. A lot less silly than dragging them around.
So desperate for new rune pages though... wait, this isn't well known? you can right click them on the list to put them on the page too. christ, don't tell me people were still dragging and dropping all this time...
What, wow. I was always dragging, too, FML.
On July 23 2010 08:58 Chrispy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 08:33 ShloobeR wrote:On July 23 2010 07:02 Chrispy wrote:
whoop whoop 4 losses in a row into the 1400's I go.
I'm qq'ing everywhere ya know?!
hey oh hey oh! Sorry old boy I actually broke that losing streak the first game after we played :X Haha lucky. It's a vicious cycle.. the lower you go the worse teammates you get and the more you go on tilt/play crappy/not care. I don't really care just my Ezreal winrate was so sexy. But now it's down 10% and not sexy at all.
I don't know about tilting but it's a vicious cycle getting worse and worse teammates. Especially if you're using the same hero over and over again, because you start falling into bad habits or repeating habits that work with good players etc.
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On July 23 2010 09:00 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:On July 23 2010 05:26 Chrispy wrote:
Cool thing I just found out that maybe everyone already knows:
Right clicking your runes on your rune page automatically takes them off your page, and double clicking your runes on the list puts them on to your page. A lot less silly than dragging them around.
So desperate for new rune pages though... wait, this isn't well known? you can right click them on the list to put them on the page too. christ, don't tell me people were still dragging and dropping all this time... What, wow. I was always dragging, too, FML. Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 08:58 Chrispy wrote:On July 23 2010 08:33 ShloobeR wrote:On July 23 2010 07:02 Chrispy wrote:
whoop whoop 4 losses in a row into the 1400's I go.
I'm qq'ing everywhere ya know?!
hey oh hey oh! Sorry old boy I actually broke that losing streak the first game after we played :X Haha lucky. It's a vicious cycle.. the lower you go the worse teammates you get and the more you go on tilt/play crappy/not care. I don't really care just my Ezreal winrate was so sexy. But now it's down 10% and not sexy at all. I don't know about tilting but it's a vicious cycle getting worse and worse teammates. Especially if you're using the same hero over and over again, because you start falling into bad habits or repeating habits that work with good players etc.
I have found a personal cure to the losing streaks that hasn't failed me yet: Jungling Shaco
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I've learned it's better to find a person who can play a carry, and jungle tank for them. Almost never fails.
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On July 23 2010 09:03 Southlight wrote:
I've learned it's better to find a person who can play a carry, and jungle tank for them. Almost never fails.
Oh I'm talking about actually solo solo queue, I do that with my friend though yeah when he's on
EDIT: And jungling Shaco when my friend does 1v2 is an autowin.
BTW, you still haven't told people how to jungle with master Yi. I'll now try the way that makes sense and after it fails I'm hoping you'll tell me how it is actually done >_>
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;p It kinda makes me feel bad because I'm unable to carry them, but whatever... I guess being a decent/good tank is one sort of skill too, right? right? *cry*
I don't really know how to jungle with Yi because I rarely do it, and if I do I do it on my smurf without really bothering to care about speed etc. Thus, not gonna go into it except that you can do it at level 1 without smite, lol.
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