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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 23 2010 00:10 GMT
#7701
I sure learn to appreciate tanks when I'm like 1-9-20 Udyr who keeps dying because my team cant decide what to do and focuses their tank or whatever
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 00:11:59
July 23 2010 00:11 GMT
#7702
I KILLED GOLEM WITH YI AT LVL 1 O_O FIRST TRY IMBA

Okay not all caps... umm yeah, but alpha procced, feels impossible without getting lucky
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 23 2010 00:12 GMT
#7703
Well I couldn't tank/jungle for the life of me so it all works out in the end.
Retvrn to Forvms
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 23 2010 00:13 GMT
#7704
I guess golem isn't necessary at lvl 1. You can just clear the small 3 before it.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 23 2010 00:14 GMT
#7705
On July 23 2010 09:12 Chrispy wrote:
Well I couldn't tank/jungle for the life of me so it all works out in the end.


Hahah, it just feels really weird poking you/Neo/Yiruru and watching you guys get ridiculous scores like 20-4-6 even in pretty high-level games on Ezreal (all three of you!) and I'm just sitting there going "I'm Amumu..."
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 23 2010 00:23 GMT
#7706
On July 23 2010 09:03 Southlight wrote:
I've learned it's better to find a person who can play a carry, and jungle tank for them. Almost never fails.

Yes, give me a 1v2 lane as Nidalee and a good jungler and you won't lose.
Sort of like earlier today.
You just have to hope your mid isn't a feeder.
Sort of like earlier today.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 23 2010 00:25 GMT
#7707
lol, jungling Akali without any runes is pretty tough o/
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 23 2010 00:25 GMT
#7708
On July 23 2010 09:23 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 09:03 Southlight wrote:
I've learned it's better to find a person who can play a carry, and jungle tank for them. Almost never fails.

Yes, give me a 1v2 lane as Nidalee and a good jungler and you won't lose.
Sort of like earlier today.
You just have to hope your mid isn't a feeder.
Sort of like earlier today.

How does it normally go if they have a jungler as well?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 23 2010 00:28 GMT
#7709
On July 23 2010 09:25 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 09:23 HazMat wrote:
On July 23 2010 09:03 Southlight wrote:
I've learned it's better to find a person who can play a carry, and jungle tank for them. Almost never fails.

Yes, give me a 1v2 lane as Nidalee and a good jungler and you won't lose.
Sort of like earlier today.
You just have to hope your mid isn't a feeder.
Sort of like earlier today.

How does it normally go if they have a jungler as well?


If your jungler's good it's fine, IMO. On my main I never feel like I'll lose the jungle battle. That's why it was so much more stressful/aggravating when Shaco was ridiculous and popular for a bit, because I wasn't used to having my map control challenged so thoroughly. It wasn't like he could stop ME from doing stuff but it was annoying having to cover every area of the map to shut down Shaco, forcing me to play more mobile than farming.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 23 2010 00:30 GMT
#7710
On July 23 2010 09:28 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 09:25 Shikyo wrote:
On July 23 2010 09:23 HazMat wrote:
On July 23 2010 09:03 Southlight wrote:
I've learned it's better to find a person who can play a carry, and jungle tank for them. Almost never fails.

Yes, give me a 1v2 lane as Nidalee and a good jungler and you won't lose.
Sort of like earlier today.
You just have to hope your mid isn't a feeder.
Sort of like earlier today.

How does it normally go if they have a jungler as well?


If your jungler's good it's fine, IMO. On my main I never feel like I'll lose the jungle battle. That's why it was so much more stressful/aggravating when Shaco was ridiculous and popular for a bit, because I wasn't used to having my map control challenged so thoroughly. It wasn't like he could stop ME from doing stuff but it was annoying having to cover every area of the map to shut down Shaco, forcing me to play more mobile than farming.

I feel like I can win / come even vs most junglers but if they have a jungling shaco I think I've lost the jungling battle every time
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
July 23 2010 00:32 GMT
#7711
On July 23 2010 09:11 Shikyo wrote:
I KILLED GOLEM WITH YI AT LVL 1 O_O FIRST TRY IMBA

Okay not all caps... umm yeah, but alpha procced, feels impossible without getting lucky


Yea, I don't see how Yi can kill Golem without getting an Alpha Strike proc (20% chance).
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 00:34:09
July 23 2010 00:33 GMT
#7712
I never lose the jungle battle flat-out, it's just annoying having to babysit an entire team from Shaco, and it's really irritating when Shaco starts snowballing even as you put tremendous effort into limiting Shaco's angles of approach etc. It's just, compared to other heroes, the amount of attention you need to pay regarding dragon, baron, golem, lizard is insane. He's got a free ward for dragon so if your ward goes down and you give him 10 seconds it's dead, that sort of thing.

Edit:
He's banned these days, though, so it's a lot more smooth-sailing. Like if the other team picks Udyr/Warwick and I'm Amumu it's like a ROFLSTOMP INCOMINGGGGGGGGGG sort of confidence.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 23 2010 00:37 GMT
#7713
On July 23 2010 09:33 Southlight wrote:
I never lose the jungle battle flat-out, it's just annoying having to babysit an entire team from Shaco, and it's really irritating when Shaco starts snowballing even as you put tremendous effort into limiting Shaco's angles of approach etc. It's just, compared to other heroes, the amount of attention you need to pay regarding dragon, baron, golem, lizard is insane. He's got a free ward for dragon so if your ward goes down and you give him 10 seconds it's dead, that sort of thing.

Edit:
He's banned these days, though, so it's a lot more smooth-sailing. Like if the other team picks Udyr/Warwick and I'm Amumu it's like a ROFLSTOMP INCOMINGGGGGGGGGG sort of confidence.

Have you ever encountered a Shaco who buys fort + ward + 2 pots, gets his insta-golem like normal, kills 2 camps, and wards your lizard. Then when you're killing it, he'll smite-steal it and gank you using the lizard buff.

You'll be hating Shaco more after that happens to you =)
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 23 2010 00:40 GMT
#7714
Considering I've played against stuff like Regi and Aruss and VMan and Endrin on Shaco on a regular basis, yes, I've seen pretty much everything. He still doesn't bother me personally. In fact, assuming he beats my smite for a smitesteal on Lizard, I'd still usually be able to take him (cuz of all the exp loss from traveling up to my jungle and waiting setting him behind a level) 1v1, ping for help, and make him run. So he'll get a liz and the liz exp, but considering the travel/wait time he had to endure we break even. And if I get my smite first he's pretty fucked, lol.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 23 2010 00:41 GMT
#7715
On July 23 2010 09:25 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 09:23 HazMat wrote:
On July 23 2010 09:03 Southlight wrote:
I've learned it's better to find a person who can play a carry, and jungle tank for them. Almost never fails.

Yes, give me a 1v2 lane as Nidalee and a good jungler and you won't lose.
Sort of like earlier today.
You just have to hope your mid isn't a feeder.
Sort of like earlier today.

How does it normally go if they have a jungler as well?

Same thing. Since I'm so mobile as nid I grab a ward and ward their golem/lizard to help out as soon as I get back from shopping, but I'm confident in my friends being better then the average jungler in ranked.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 23 2010 00:42 GMT
#7716
On July 23 2010 09:40 Southlight wrote:
Considering I've played against stuff like Regi and Aruss and VMan and Endrin on Shaco on a regular basis, yes, I've seen pretty much everything. He still doesn't bother me personally. In fact, assuming he beats my smite for a smitesteal on Lizard, I'd still usually be able to take him (cuz of all the exp loss from traveling up to my jungle and waiting setting him behind a level) 1v1, ping for help, and make him run. So he'll get a liz and the liz exp, but considering the travel/wait time he had to endure we break even. And if I get my smite first he's pretty fucked, lol.

If the smite-steal works they'll level to 3 although I think they'll level to 3 from just the 2 camps. Even if it doesn't you're low hp and he's full so he will still kill you. If not, I don't know what those guys are doing :/
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 00:46:55
July 23 2010 00:44 GMT
#7717
Considering that I always get Liz at level 4 or 5 (I go to 3 with regular camps, then golem at 3, then clear a few more and then liz when my smite is back) it's hard as hell to catch me off-guard, and especially if there's a Shaco on the prowl I play extremely conservative (although my normal route is already pretty conservative) when it comes to jungling. Usually when I see Shaco kill an enemy jungler it's because that guy is playing really audacious and risky. It's not rocket science.

Edit:
The more reliable "steal" is the golem steal at level 3, because it drops me to about 60% hp, but whilst annoying it's not a crippling loss, isn't really going to get me killed by a Shaco anyways, and worst-case for Shaco he'll get killed trying to get out from that crowded area.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#7718
On July 23 2010 09:44 Southlight wrote:
Considering that I always get Liz at level 4 or 5 (I go to 3 with regular camps, then golem at 3, then clear a few more and then liz when my smite is back) it's hard as hell to catch me off-guard, and especially if there's a Shaco on the prowl I play extremely conservative (although my normal route is already pretty conservative) when it comes to jungling. Usually when I see Shaco kill an enemy jungler it's because that guy is playing really audacious and risky. It's not rocket science.

Oh you delay your jungling by so much. Then I guess that doesn't work.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 23 2010 00:47 GMT
#7719
On July 23 2010 09:44 Southlight wrote:
Considering that I always get Liz at level 4 or 5 (I go to 3 with regular camps, then golem at 3, then clear a few more and then liz when my smite is back) it's hard as hell to catch me off-guard, and especially if there's a Shaco on the prowl I play extremely conservative (although my normal route is already pretty conservative) when it comes to jungling. Usually when I see Shaco kill an enemy jungler it's because that guy is playing really audacious and risky. It's not rocket science.

This is Shikyo you're talking to.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 00:52:47
July 23 2010 00:49 GMT
#7720
On July 23 2010 09:46 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 09:44 Southlight wrote:
Considering that I always get Liz at level 4 or 5 (I go to 3 with regular camps, then golem at 3, then clear a few more and then liz when my smite is back) it's hard as hell to catch me off-guard, and especially if there's a Shaco on the prowl I play extremely conservative (although my normal route is already pretty conservative) when it comes to jungling. Usually when I see Shaco kill an enemy jungler it's because that guy is playing really audacious and risky. It's not rocket science.

Oh you delay your jungling by so much. Then I guess that doesn't work.


Delay? I keep up with every jungler on level and gold. Jungling after a certain point is limited by creep respawn, and because my pattern makes me clear almost every creep spawn on spawn time it's extremely efficient.

When I do the three clear, then return, ward, golem, wraith spawns in time for me to clear it, then go to stone golems, wolves respawn in the middle but I just play it safe, fountain to heal, Liz, then wolf wraith repeat. If I'm not afraid of a gank I'll sometimes just wing it on Liz if Smite is up, else I might cross to wolf, heal, then go liz wraith stone etc. as they respawn.

Edit:
It's actually more ridiculous on Rammus because you end up with like a 15-20 second pause between creep waves because he kills them way too fast. That's why I mentioned some time ago Rammus was the fastest jungler until the second buff spawns, then Golem/Liz are a lot harder to kill and require his ult, I think, but if you level 1 golem it respawns at ~5 so you start slowing down a bit (because the other creep die so fast). He becomes slightly more reliant on either a long golem kill or gank/lane-hold exp.

Edit2:
That 5-to-6 interval is what usually sets me back on Rammus, and I haven't come up with a solution for it yet.
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