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Shikyo
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Shikyo
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Okay not all caps... umm yeah, but alpha procced, feels impossible without getting lucky | ||
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Chrispy
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Shikyo
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Southlight
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On July 23 2010 09:12 Chrispy wrote: Well I couldn't tank/jungle for the life of me so it all works out in the end. Hahah, it just feels really weird poking you/Neo/Yiruru and watching you guys get ridiculous scores like 20-4-6 even in pretty high-level games on Ezreal (all three of you!) and I'm just sitting there going "I'm Amumu..." | ||
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HazMat
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On July 23 2010 09:03 Southlight wrote: I've learned it's better to find a person who can play a carry, and jungle tank for them. Almost never fails. Yes, give me a 1v2 lane as Nidalee and a good jungler and you won't lose. Sort of like earlier today. You just have to hope your mid isn't a feeder. Sort of like earlier today. | ||
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Southlight
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Shikyo
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On July 23 2010 09:23 HazMat wrote: Yes, give me a 1v2 lane as Nidalee and a good jungler and you won't lose. Sort of like earlier today. You just have to hope your mid isn't a feeder. Sort of like earlier today. How does it normally go if they have a jungler as well? | ||
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Southlight
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On July 23 2010 09:25 Shikyo wrote: How does it normally go if they have a jungler as well? If your jungler's good it's fine, IMO. On my main I never feel like I'll lose the jungle battle. That's why it was so much more stressful/aggravating when Shaco was ridiculous and popular for a bit, because I wasn't used to having my map control challenged so thoroughly. It wasn't like he could stop ME from doing stuff but it was annoying having to cover every area of the map to shut down Shaco, forcing me to play more mobile than farming. | ||
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Shikyo
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On July 23 2010 09:28 Southlight wrote: If your jungler's good it's fine, IMO. On my main I never feel like I'll lose the jungle battle. That's why it was so much more stressful/aggravating when Shaco was ridiculous and popular for a bit, because I wasn't used to having my map control challenged so thoroughly. It wasn't like he could stop ME from doing stuff but it was annoying having to cover every area of the map to shut down Shaco, forcing me to play more mobile than farming. I feel like I can win / come even vs most junglers but if they have a jungling shaco I think I've lost the jungling battle every time | ||
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APurpleCow
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On July 23 2010 09:11 Shikyo wrote: I KILLED GOLEM WITH YI AT LVL 1 O_O FIRST TRY IMBA Okay not all caps... umm yeah, but alpha procced, feels impossible without getting lucky Yea, I don't see how Yi can kill Golem without getting an Alpha Strike proc (20% chance). | ||
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Southlight
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Edit: He's banned these days, though, so it's a lot more smooth-sailing. Like if the other team picks Udyr/Warwick and I'm Amumu it's like a ROFLSTOMP INCOMINGGGGGGGGGG sort of confidence. | ||
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Shikyo
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On July 23 2010 09:33 Southlight wrote: I never lose the jungle battle flat-out, it's just annoying having to babysit an entire team from Shaco, and it's really irritating when Shaco starts snowballing even as you put tremendous effort into limiting Shaco's angles of approach etc. It's just, compared to other heroes, the amount of attention you need to pay regarding dragon, baron, golem, lizard is insane. He's got a free ward for dragon so if your ward goes down and you give him 10 seconds it's dead, that sort of thing. Edit: He's banned these days, though, so it's a lot more smooth-sailing. Like if the other team picks Udyr/Warwick and I'm Amumu it's like a ROFLSTOMP INCOMINGGGGGGGGGG sort of confidence. Have you ever encountered a Shaco who buys fort + ward + 2 pots, gets his insta-golem like normal, kills 2 camps, and wards your lizard. Then when you're killing it, he'll smite-steal it and gank you using the lizard buff. You'll be hating Shaco more after that happens to you =) | ||
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Southlight
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HazMat
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On July 23 2010 09:25 Shikyo wrote: How does it normally go if they have a jungler as well? Same thing. Since I'm so mobile as nid I grab a ward and ward their golem/lizard to help out as soon as I get back from shopping, but I'm confident in my friends being better then the average jungler in ranked. | ||
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Shikyo
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On July 23 2010 09:40 Southlight wrote: Considering I've played against stuff like Regi and Aruss and VMan and Endrin on Shaco on a regular basis, yes, I've seen pretty much everything. He still doesn't bother me personally. In fact, assuming he beats my smite for a smitesteal on Lizard, I'd still usually be able to take him (cuz of all the exp loss from traveling up to my jungle and waiting setting him behind a level) 1v1, ping for help, and make him run. So he'll get a liz and the liz exp, but considering the travel/wait time he had to endure we break even. And if I get my smite first he's pretty fucked, lol. If the smite-steal works they'll level to 3 although I think they'll level to 3 from just the 2 camps. Even if it doesn't you're low hp and he's full so he will still kill you. If not, I don't know what those guys are doing :/ | ||
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Southlight
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Edit: The more reliable "steal" is the golem steal at level 3, because it drops me to about 60% hp, but whilst annoying it's not a crippling loss, isn't really going to get me killed by a Shaco anyways, and worst-case for Shaco he'll get killed trying to get out from that crowded area. | ||
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Shikyo
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On July 23 2010 09:44 Southlight wrote: Considering that I always get Liz at level 4 or 5 (I go to 3 with regular camps, then golem at 3, then clear a few more and then liz when my smite is back) it's hard as hell to catch me off-guard, and especially if there's a Shaco on the prowl I play extremely conservative (although my normal route is already pretty conservative) when it comes to jungling. Usually when I see Shaco kill an enemy jungler it's because that guy is playing really audacious and risky. It's not rocket science. Oh you delay your jungling by so much. Then I guess that doesn't work. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 23 2010 09:44 Southlight wrote: Considering that I always get Liz at level 4 or 5 (I go to 3 with regular camps, then golem at 3, then clear a few more and then liz when my smite is back) it's hard as hell to catch me off-guard, and especially if there's a Shaco on the prowl I play extremely conservative (although my normal route is already pretty conservative) when it comes to jungling. Usually when I see Shaco kill an enemy jungler it's because that guy is playing really audacious and risky. It's not rocket science. This is Shikyo you're talking to. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On July 23 2010 09:46 Shikyo wrote: Oh you delay your jungling by so much. Then I guess that doesn't work. Delay? I keep up with every jungler on level and gold. Jungling after a certain point is limited by creep respawn, and because my pattern makes me clear almost every creep spawn on spawn time it's extremely efficient. When I do the three clear, then return, ward, golem, wraith spawns in time for me to clear it, then go to stone golems, wolves respawn in the middle but I just play it safe, fountain to heal, Liz, then wolf wraith repeat. If I'm not afraid of a gank I'll sometimes just wing it on Liz if Smite is up, else I might cross to wolf, heal, then go liz wraith stone etc. as they respawn. Edit: It's actually more ridiculous on Rammus because you end up with like a 15-20 second pause between creep waves because he kills them way too fast. That's why I mentioned some time ago Rammus was the fastest jungler until the second buff spawns, then Golem/Liz are a lot harder to kill and require his ult, I think, but if you level 1 golem it respawns at ~5 so you start slowing down a bit (because the other creep die so fast). He becomes slightly more reliant on either a long golem kill or gank/lane-hold exp. Edit2: That 5-to-6 interval is what usually sets me back on Rammus, and I haven't come up with a solution for it yet. | ||
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