EPTand my lategame is better then any other jungler so dont really have to worry about that, only amumu can beat me midgame but early/late is mine.
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
and my lategame is better then any other jungler so dont really have to worry about that, only amumu can beat me midgame but early/late is mine. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Hmm Shaco will be lvl 3 and at your lizard at about 3:45 if he wants to do that. If he doesn't he'll already have killed his lizard and is looking at a 4 minute lvl 4 gank =/ Hmm I still think Shaco's the best antijungle | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
 On July 23 2010 09:54 Shikyo wrote: Oh I mean, you don't get the normal gank timing like that. Hmm Shaco will be lvl 3 and at your lizard at about 3:45 if he wants to do that. If he doesn't he'll already have killed his lizard and is looking at a 4 minute lvl 4 gank =/ Hmm I still think Shaco's the best antijungle He can't kill it because I'm always roaming back and forth killing wraith/stone golems, the only "timing" he has to kill it is after I kill wolf while I'm killing golem at 3, but that's pretty daredevil and if he doesn't kill it in time and I swing back across and find him he's set back. | ||
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Nafaltar
Germany302 Posts
On July 23 2010 08:48 Shikyo wrote: Yeah, I couldn't give a crap about lower levels though when discussing viable strategies. I also know dps udyr destroys almost everyone 1v1, that just doesn't matter though. While there are a bunch of better players than me on this board 1.5k rating puts me in the top 5% solo qeue EU. Since my Win/loss ratio hasn't been suffering either it does not look to me like I will be left behind anytime soon. So while I am certainly not an exceptional player I don't do things completely wrong. And if top 5% out off all people ranked over 1.2k rating isn't high enough to be viable in solo qeue for you then have fun sticking to the god tier champs. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 23 2010 09:57 Nafaltar wrote: While there are a bunch of better players than me on this board 1.5k rating puts me in the top 5% solo qeue EU. Since my Win/loss ratio hasn't been suffering either it does not look to me like I will be left behind anytime soon. So while I am certainly not an exceptional player I don't do things completely wrong. And if top 5% out off all people ranked over 1.2k rating isn't high enough to be viable in solo qeue for you then have fun sticking to the god tier champs. If you're that skilled and built him properly you'd be looking at top 1% or 2% instead of top 5%. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On July 23 2010 09:55 Southlight wrote: I actually stalemate early-game with WW and late-game is all mine, I don't think any tank carries as hard as Amumu late-game. It's funny how we have opposing views on this matchup there He can't kill it because I'm always roaming back and forth killing wraith/stone golems, the only "timing" he has to kill it is after I kill wolf while I'm killing golem at 3, but that's pretty daredevil and if he doesn't kill it in time and I swing back across and find him he's set back. what is your amumu build? wasnt aware he could gank effectively at level 3 lategame: I stack MR on warwick so I just lol as I one shot their physical carry then run around while people tickle me and i just gain all of it back from Q. I rice a lot so I have more items usually. aggressive teams hate having me on their team since I dont travel with the group until I think a teamfight is a good idea. the reason amumu is annoying for warwick midgame is because his ult wins those teamfights where I havent gotten my bloodrazor's yet so im pretty much useless. i try to rice it asap. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On July 23 2010 09:58 Shikyo wrote: I meant that he'd just kill his lizard. After that he'll either gank or visit you though but yeah _>> If he kills his own lizard, the bigger deal is my teammates in the lanes dying to him. Shaco cannot kill Amumu pre-6 post-4. Unless he can catch me at golem (when I'm most vulnerable) I'll generally either shrug him off or literally turn around and try to kill HIM, lol. At at 6 I don't know if Shaco can kill Amumu even then. I've never seen a Shaco try, because it's hard for Shaco to finish the Amumu even if he "wins" the standing fight, hahah. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 23 2010 10:00 Southlight wrote: If he kills his own lizard, the bigger deal is my teammates in the lanes dying to him. Shaco cannot kill Amumu pre-6 post-4. Unless he can catch me at golem (when I'm most vulnerable) I'll generally either shrug him off or literally turn around and try to kill HIM, lol. At at 6 I don't know if Shaco can kill Amumu even then. I've never seen a Shaco try, because it's hard for Shaco to finish the Amumu even if he "wins" the standing fight, hahah. The main thing is amumu won't be full hp if he's jungling. If you're around full hp most of the time I have no idea what you're doing, it must be something unique | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On July 23 2010 09:59 Brees wrote: what is your amumu build? wasnt aware he could gank effectively at level 3 I stack MR on warwick so I just lol as I one shot their physical carry then run around while people tickle me and i just gain all of it back from Q. Amumu? He can gank effectively at level 3 if you run that route (like Korea Angel) running HoG and toss, but I play more late-game oriented. We were talking more about Shaco coming out to gank me at Liz at level 3, but I retorted that I don't do Liz at 3, esp if there's a Shaco, because it's a waste of time/liz and a risky move. I think I usually do something like 1-3 HoGs into 1-2 Sunfires into whatever I need to stay alive and pound people to death. I've never lost to a Warwick 1v1 late-game because I just outlast the fucker. Not that I'd really be aiming to 1v1 anyways, I'd be 5v5ing, and if no one else has a disable I'll Toss your R and go back to beat on the rest of your team, hahah. If I'm sitting on like 2 Sunfires + Abyssal + FoN like my last game there's no way (in my mind) that I'm losing to some WW. Edit: On July 23 2010 10:01 Shikyo wrote: The main thing is amumu won't be full hp if he's jungling. If you're around full hp most of the time I have no idea what you're doing, it must be something unique My point is, 60% hp Amumu with at least one HoG > 100% hp Shaco, at least enough to escape. And post-golem I rarely fall under 60%, even while killing Lizard, because Amumu blows through neutrals like that :p | ||
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Nafaltar
Germany302 Posts
On July 23 2010 09:58 Shikyo wrote: I meant that he'd just kill his lizard. After that he'll either gank or visit you though but yeah _>> If you're that skilled and built him properly you'd be looking at top 1% or 2% instead of top 5%. No it wouldn't because Tank Udyr can't carry anywhere close as well. I suggest you give it a try before you just blow it off. And I said top5% just to be safe in case i go on a loss streak. If we count all 33k rated players and the fact that 1501 rating put me at 398th that is the bottom end of 1.2%. And thats with other chars besides Udyr pulling down my average win percentage from over 70% to just about 62%. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On July 23 2010 10:03 Southlight wrote: Amumu? He can gank effectively at level 3 if you run that route (like Korea Angel) running HoG and toss, but I play more late-game oriented. We were talking more about Shaco coming out to gank me at Liz at level 3, but I retorted that I don't do Liz at 3, esp if there's a Shaco, because it's a waste of time/liz and a risky move. I think I usually do something like 1-3 HoGs into 1-2 Sunfires into whatever I need to stay alive and pound people to death. I've never lost to a Warwick 1v1 late-game because I just outlast the fucker. Not that I'd really be aiming to 1v1 anyways, I'd be 5v5ing, and if no one else has a disable I'll Toss your R and go back to beat on the rest of your team, hahah. If I'm sitting on like 2 Sunfires + Abyssal + FoN like my last game there's no way (in my mind) that I'm losing to some WW. Edit: My point is, 60% hp Amumu with at least one HoG > 100% hp Shaco, at least enough to escape. And post-golem I rarely fall under 60%, even while killing Lizard, because Amumu blows through neutrals like that :p think you just play bad warwicks then, because with that build I would literally take 0 dmg with my MR. I cant die lategame, demonstrated by my countless carries in ranked so far. the best example I have is played a team of zilean/kayle/AP tf/amumu/Ashe I would ult the ashe and instagib her everyfight, then everyone on my team would get bursted then I would literally 1v4 them because i couldnt die. I came out of every teamfight with full hp after I got my GA. | ||
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Phrost
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
I'll reiterate that I wouldn't actually go for you in a 5v5 though, except to stun down your ult if no one else can do it. I'd be doing pretty much what you say you'd be doing to our squishies, too : pppp Edit: I don't think there's any point in theorycrafting about who carries harder, though. I'm pretty confident I'm the best Amumu on the server, with the possible exception of Korea Angel (though I've not lost to him in an Amumu vs Amumu game yet), so we're kinda stuck here :p | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
When I jungle Amumu I go Dorans Shield, boots (ninja tabi or merc's), RoA, Sunfire and then more sunfires or banshees. I'm looking to improve my amumu build though because I'd rather start with something like armor cloth so I can build that into HoG or Ninja Tabi. I start at Golem lvling despair, tantrum, despair, bandage toss, tantrum, ulti. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
yea hes pretty bad | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
As I said before, I go stone golems, wraiths, wolves, fountain, golem, wraith, stone, fountain, liz, wolf, wraith, stone, etc. Desp Tant Desp Tant Toss Ult, unless I'm bracing for some early skirmishes and I'm feeling nice, then I'll move Toss up to 4 like you. On July 23 2010 10:20 Brees wrote: really xdog?? he is absolute trash at warwick, doesnt gank until 6, if that, and has fed every game ive been in with him (at least 10) has no idea when to ult, back off in a teamfight, go in, etc yea hes pretty bad Really? I've seen him do pretty consistently decent every game. Granted the last few times I've played against him I've had garbage teammates and couldn't carry vs him. He doesn't scare me but I always settle in for a decent jungler on the other side. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
nuff said thats terrible | ||
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