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Kultcher
Profile Joined May 2010
United States150 Posts
July 22 2010 20:37 GMT
#7661
On a different topic, I'm thinking of picking up Udyr. Naturally I'll want to jungle. How should I be setting up my runes/masteries to jungle as effectively as possible, and what's the best jungling order? And since I don't actually have a lot of runes, will I still be able to jungle effectively at all if I don't have the right ones?

I know, I know I should just find a guy somewhere but half of them are horribly written and the rest are outdated. :-/
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 22 2010 20:37 GMT
#7662
On July 23 2010 05:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 05:05 Mogwai wrote:
CDR does not interact with despair like that to the best of my knowledge. abilities that do ticks still tick on the same intervals, you can just turn them back on after turning them off faster than you could before.

That's true. I was just trying to find a champ that CDR is nearly useless for and give a good reason lol. But seriously, CDR rocks on Kayle and Ryze

No cdr is good on amumu because it's always nice to have his ulti up faster
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 22 2010 20:45 GMT
#7663
On July 23 2010 05:37 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 05:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On July 23 2010 05:05 Mogwai wrote:
CDR does not interact with despair like that to the best of my knowledge. abilities that do ticks still tick on the same intervals, you can just turn them back on after turning them off faster than you could before.

That's true. I was just trying to find a champ that CDR is nearly useless for and give a good reason lol. But seriously, CDR rocks on Kayle and Ryze

No cdr is good on amumu because it's always nice to have his ulti up faster

I won't deny that it's good to have a couple more amumu ults in a game but the question is whether CDR is better than getting other stats. If your team can control encounters and only go in when amumu is prepared to initiate, then CDR might not be that helpful
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 20:52:46
July 22 2010 20:45 GMT
#7664
On July 23 2010 05:37 Kultcher wrote:
On a different topic, I'm thinking of picking up Udyr. Naturally I'll want to jungle. How should I be setting up my runes/masteries to jungle as effectively as possible, and what's the best jungling order? And since I don't actually have a lot of runes, will I still be able to jungle effectively at all if I don't have the right ones?

I know, I know I should just find a guy somewhere but half of them are horribly written and the rest are outdated. :-/

attack speed marks and quints. mp5 or defensive seals and glyphs. CDR works if you don't think you need extra magic resist.

The skilling order I use is R W R E R -> situational. The first 5 levels pretty much never alternate. You should max turtle if you think the shield is useful, Phoenix if you think you can't jungle fast enough(I think 3 is just fine at this point), bear if you think you need speed etc. I've been maxing turtle first, but I think I'll start maxing bear first because I use it by far the most and the mana cost decrease helps.

You can either start with cloth armor and 5 pots or fort pot and 5 pots. I like cloth armor because I always build a HoG first and that way I can rush it really fast. Fort pot is better for the early gank, though.

Golem at lvl 1 with Phoenix and one potion, should be relatively easy to kill if you have attack speed runes. Then you just do wolves, wraiths, and small golems. I use smite for the blue golem, and smite again for the first small golem right away(don't have to wait to lasthit). Pray that your mid teammate isn't retarded enough to steal exp from wraiths.

After this, I b back to base to heal and buy my boots. Then I go and kill the lizard. Your smite should be back up again, at least with my build using utility mastery and improved smite. Finish lizard with smite, then you should hit level 4 if your teammate wasn't a moron who steals exp.

At this point, you should look for ganking opportunities and gank with ghost and bear form. Along with the lizard buff, you should get a kill relatively easily. If no one is gankable at this point, you should just go back to the small wolves and they'll respawn soon after you're done with the lizard. Then just go from there. You'll be lvl 4 when mid is lvl 5 and sidelanes are 3 and you're good to go.


EDIT: jungling without aspd runes is incredibly difficult, try to at least get lvl 1 marks and quints for the time being. You don't need that many. Just start with fort pot if you're in doubt and you'll be just fine no matter what.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
July 22 2010 20:54 GMT
#7665
On July 23 2010 05:45 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 05:37 Kultcher wrote:
On a different topic, I'm thinking of picking up Udyr. Naturally I'll want to jungle. How should I be setting up my runes/masteries to jungle as effectively as possible, and what's the best jungling order? And since I don't actually have a lot of runes, will I still be able to jungle effectively at all if I don't have the right ones?

I know, I know I should just find a guy somewhere but half of them are horribly written and the rest are outdated. :-/

attack speed marks and quints. mp5 or defensive seals and glyphs. CDR works if you don't think you need extra magic resist.

The skilling order I use is R W R E R -> situational. The first 5 levels pretty much never alternate. You should max turtle if you think the shield is useful, Phoenix if you think you can't jungle fast enough(I think 3 is just fine at this point), bear if you think you need speed etc. I've been maxing turtle first, but I think I'll start maxing bear first because I use it by far the most and the mana cost decrease helps.

You can either start with cloth armor and 5 pots or fort pot and 5 pots. I like cloth armor because I always build a HoG first and that way I can rush it really fast. Fort pot is better for the early gank, though.

Golem at lvl 1 with Phoenix and one potion, should be relatively easy to kill if you have attack speed runes. Then you just do wolves, wraiths, and small golems. I use smite for the blue golem, and smite again for the first small golem right away(don't have to wait to lasthit). Pray that your mid teammate isn't retarded enough to steal exp from wraiths.

After this, I b back to base to heal and buy my boots. Then I go and kill the lizard. Your smite should be back up again, at least with my build using utility mastery and improved smite. Finish lizard with smite, then you should hit level 4 if your teammate wasn't a moron who steals exp.

At this point, you should look for ganking opportunities and gank with ghost and bear form. Along with the lizard buff, you should get a kill relatively easily. If no one is gankable at this point, you should just go back to the small wolves and they'll respawn soon after you're done with the lizard. Then just go from there. You'll be lvl 4 when mid is lvl 5 and sidelanes are 3 and you're good to go.


EDIT: jungling without aspd runes is incredibly difficult, try to at least get lvl 1 marks and quints for the time being. You don't need that many. Just start with fort pot if you're in doubt and you'll be just fine no matter what.


I agree with this. If you are looking to forest with Udyr this is an excellent starting point for you.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 22 2010 21:09 GMT
#7666
On July 23 2010 05:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 05:05 Mogwai wrote:
CDR does not interact with despair like that to the best of my knowledge. abilities that do ticks still tick on the same intervals, you can just turn them back on after turning them off faster than you could before.

That's true. I was just trying to find a champ that CDR is nearly useless for and give a good reason lol. But seriously, CDR rocks on Kayle and Ryze

CDR rocks on nidalee too, buying cdr quints along with my glyphs for her.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
July 22 2010 21:14 GMT
#7667
CDR on Nid is meh. All her stuff is short anyway. Probably better getting other stuff.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 22 2010 21:16 GMT
#7668
they made it so that cdr doesn't affect pounce, right?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
July 22 2010 21:20 GMT
#7669
Yeah, I think its always 3 or capped at 3.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 22 2010 21:29 GMT
#7670
Woooow 40 minute epic game, we manage to ace their team and get baron...

And then Udyr disconnects and we lose after 10 minutes of the most painful LoL of my life.
Retvrn to Forvms
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 22 2010 21:36 GMT
#7671
that sucks hard
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 22 2010 21:39 GMT
#7672
On July 23 2010 06:16 Mogwai wrote:
they made it so that cdr doesn't affect pounce, right?

Yes but it's still great.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Nafaltar
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany302 Posts
July 22 2010 21:39 GMT
#7673
Obviously there are many ways to build a Jungle Udyr, but please for the love of all that is holy don't build tanking items early game. At most grab dodge boots if there is plenty physical dps. Otherwise go Rageblade into Nashors. Get one level of E at lvl 4 or 6 max out R then W, then go back to E. As for Masteries I suggest 9/21/0. Rune wise I personally use 3 ArP marks, 6 MP marks, MP quints, Armor seals and MR Glyphs. But AS, CDR, AP, Dodge etc are all valid options.
Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
July 22 2010 21:48 GMT
#7674
On July 23 2010 06:29 Chrispy wrote:
Woooow 40 minute epic game, we manage to ace their team and get baron...

And then Udyr disconnects and we lose after 10 minutes of the most painful LoL of my life.


oh well, 40 mins isnt thaaaat epic. 60+ mins is totally possible. feels really weird when you have the best equipment for your champ and 10000 gold in the bank for nothing. >_<
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 22:07:26
July 22 2010 22:02 GMT
#7675
whoop whoop 4 losses in a row into the 1400's I go.
I'm qq'ing everywhere ya know?!
hey oh hey oh!
Retvrn to Forvms
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 22 2010 22:23 GMT
#7676
Too tired to ranked today T_T We'll get you back on the weekend...
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
July 22 2010 22:35 GMT
#7677
On July 23 2010 06:39 Nafaltar wrote:
Obviously there are many ways to build a Jungle Udyr, but please for the love of all that is holy don't build tanking items early game. At most grab dodge boots if there is plenty physical dps. Otherwise go Rageblade into Nashors. Get one level of E at lvl 4 or 6 max out R then W, then go back to E. As for Masteries I suggest 9/21/0. Rune wise I personally use 3 ArP marks, 6 MP marks, MP quints, Armor seals and MR Glyphs. But AS, CDR, AP, Dodge etc are all valid options.


horrible, horrible advice..

tank udyr is the only udyr
Brees on in
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 22 2010 22:39 GMT
#7678
AP Yi: If you manage a Highlander-Alpha Strike kill in a teamfight, there will be no survivors.
it's my first day
Nafaltar
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany302 Posts
July 22 2010 22:41 GMT
#7679
Yeh, cause who wants a rageblade on Udyr. I mean +50 hps each turtle stance+actually having use for the lifesteal+absurd damage from phoenix stance is really a terrible choice.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 22 2010 22:45 GMT
#7680
On July 23 2010 07:23 Southlight wrote:
Too tired to ranked today T_T We'll get you back on the weekend...


^^ Hahaha. Well I'm probably going camping this weekend so I'm just massing up games.

I've just got to embrace the pains of solo queue so that I may become one with it. Anyways Xin won me a game so I can go on with my life hahaha.
Retvrn to Forvms
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