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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
July 09 2010 18:49 GMT
#4861
so uh why do people still care so much? Im still seeing people dodge when season 1 is in a couple days rofl.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 18:50:57
July 09 2010 18:49 GMT
#4862
@southlight yeah it's cool, i did learn a lot. i just thought you were being super critical but i understand you wanted to win

as for switching to treads, i didn't think about that, it would have made sense. was having income issues though

regarding stacking bloodrazors, i coulda sworn i looked and it said "unique passive" on it in game

(oh, u guys already addressed that hehe)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 09 2010 18:50 GMT
#4863
lol? This was back in like Jan-Feb when they changed Razor/Bloodrazor status to unique. MegaZero was running a 5 smite/razor team where they controlled every dragon and buff. Then did Baron as soon as it spawned with Sivir ulti, WW w, and 5+ razors proc'ing.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 09 2010 18:52 GMT
#4864
On July 10 2010 03:50 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol? This was back in like Jan-Feb when they changed Razor/Bloodrazor status to unique. MegaZero was running a 5 smite/razor team where they controlled every dragon and buff. Then did Baron as soon as it spawned with Sivir ulti, WW w, and 5+ razors proc'ing.


Yeah... I vaguely remember them fiddling around with Razor/BR (cuz stacking Razor was lame), I didn't realize they made BR unique along with Razor, I thought they only made Razor unique >_< When I started playing back in ~Nov it was very "in" at lowbie island to stack Bloodrazor on Ashe... lol.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 09 2010 18:53 GMT
#4865
when you sell an item what % of it do you get back? is it 100% ?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 09 2010 18:54 GMT
#4866
I think it's around 70%, but some items go for like 50%. Maybe someone else knows the exact sell-back cost rule.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 18:56:18
July 09 2010 18:54 GMT
#4867
On July 10 2010 03:53 travis wrote:
when you sell an item what % of it do you get back? is it 100% ?


70%
Checked on wiki
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
July 09 2010 18:55 GMT
#4868
On July 10 2010 03:49 Brees wrote:
so uh why do people still care so much? Im still seeing people dodge when season 1 is in a couple days rofl.
because i'd rather wait 5 minutes then play with a team full of baddies.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 09 2010 18:56 GMT
#4869
On July 10 2010 03:44 APurpleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
Particularly against a tanky team like that (3000+ hp and lots of armor/mr) you need to change things up. For instance, BR stacks, and does damage based on max HP, so if you really wanted more damage it probably would have been better to simply stack BRs in that game.


Er...isn't Bloodrazor's 4% damage thing unique?

BR doesn't stack and is magical, I feel that it's not all that good vs balanced tanks(even if they have 4000 hp, with 200 mres and 200 armor, your attacks will do 53 extra dmg per attack. Most of the time they'll only have about 2500 hp with that much resistances though, in which case it adds 33 dmg per attack.)

In my opinion bloodrazor is only good against mass hp without much mres(For instance, AP Chogath or Singed), or armor stackers like mass sunfires for example.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 09 2010 18:58 GMT
#4870
We were against two sunfire stackers

Anyways, if you can't stack it the point is moot. You used to be able to, and it was pretty nice stacking BRs to get like 9% magic damage per hit with Ashe.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 09 2010 18:59 GMT
#4871
i think the items that give gold/5 and doran's items both sell at 50% as well.

or something like that... I know some items are at 50%
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
July 09 2010 18:59 GMT
#4872
On July 10 2010 03:56 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:44 APurpleCow wrote:
Particularly against a tanky team like that (3000+ hp and lots of armor/mr) you need to change things up. For instance, BR stacks, and does damage based on max HP, so if you really wanted more damage it probably would have been better to simply stack BRs in that game.


Er...isn't Bloodrazor's 4% damage thing unique?

BR doesn't stack and is magical, I feel that it's not all that good vs balanced tanks(even if they have 4000 hp, with 200 mres and 200 armor, your attacks will do 53 extra dmg per attack. Most of the time they'll only have about 2500 hp with that much resistances though, in which case it adds 33 dmg per attack.)

In my opinion bloodrazor is only good against mass hp without much mres(For instance, AP Chogath or Singed), or armor stackers like mass sunfires for example.
usually people stack armor vs physical and stack HP vs magical. i thought that was the golden rule or defense?
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 09 2010 19:01 GMT
#4873
On July 10 2010 03:59 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:56 Shikyo wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:44 APurpleCow wrote:
Particularly against a tanky team like that (3000+ hp and lots of armor/mr) you need to change things up. For instance, BR stacks, and does damage based on max HP, so if you really wanted more damage it probably would have been better to simply stack BRs in that game.


Er...isn't Bloodrazor's 4% damage thing unique?

BR doesn't stack and is magical, I feel that it's not all that good vs balanced tanks(even if they have 4000 hp, with 200 mres and 200 armor, your attacks will do 53 extra dmg per attack. Most of the time they'll only have about 2500 hp with that much resistances though, in which case it adds 33 dmg per attack.)

In my opinion bloodrazor is only good against mass hp without much mres(For instance, AP Chogath or Singed), or armor stackers like mass sunfires for example.
usually people stack armor vs physical and stack HP vs magical. i thought that was the golden rule or defense?


Veil and/or GA when you go the MR route. Veil definitely since it's MR and HP + spell block.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 09 2010 19:01 GMT
#4874
On July 10 2010 03:59 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:56 Shikyo wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:44 APurpleCow wrote:
Particularly against a tanky team like that (3000+ hp and lots of armor/mr) you need to change things up. For instance, BR stacks, and does damage based on max HP, so if you really wanted more damage it probably would have been better to simply stack BRs in that game.


Er...isn't Bloodrazor's 4% damage thing unique?

BR doesn't stack and is magical, I feel that it's not all that good vs balanced tanks(even if they have 4000 hp, with 200 mres and 200 armor, your attacks will do 53 extra dmg per attack. Most of the time they'll only have about 2500 hp with that much resistances though, in which case it adds 33 dmg per attack.)

In my opinion bloodrazor is only good against mass hp without much mres(For instance, AP Chogath or Singed), or armor stackers like mass sunfires for example.
usually people stack armor vs physical and stack HP vs magical. i thought that was the golden rule or defense?


Depends on the hero and the speed at which the game's progressing... if there's a harasser AP hero (TF/heimer) and your team struggles to just enter combat, then you end up having to get something like FoN for the regen (without MR you just take way too much damage and have no regen to recover). If you're ahead, or you're equal, and their AP hitter isn't that strong, and you only need to eat the burst for like 10 seconds, then HP usually > MR because it's dual-purpose (saves you against phys too). That sort of thing, it's a balancing act.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 09 2010 19:02 GMT
#4875
On July 10 2010 04:01 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:59 redtooth wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:56 Shikyo wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:44 APurpleCow wrote:
Particularly against a tanky team like that (3000+ hp and lots of armor/mr) you need to change things up. For instance, BR stacks, and does damage based on max HP, so if you really wanted more damage it probably would have been better to simply stack BRs in that game.


Er...isn't Bloodrazor's 4% damage thing unique?

BR doesn't stack and is magical, I feel that it's not all that good vs balanced tanks(even if they have 4000 hp, with 200 mres and 200 armor, your attacks will do 53 extra dmg per attack. Most of the time they'll only have about 2500 hp with that much resistances though, in which case it adds 33 dmg per attack.)

In my opinion bloodrazor is only good against mass hp without much mres(For instance, AP Chogath or Singed), or armor stackers like mass sunfires for example.
usually people stack armor vs physical and stack HP vs magical. i thought that was the golden rule or defense?


Depends on the hero and the speed at which the game's progressing... if there's a harasser AP hero (TF/heimer) and your team struggles to just enter combat, then you end up having to get something like FoN for the regen (without MR you just take way too much damage and have no regen to recover). If you're ahead, or you're equal, and their AP hitter isn't that strong, and you only need to eat the burst for like 10 seconds, then HP usually > MR because it's dual-purpose (saves you against phys too). That sort of thing, it's a balancing act.


FoN is kinda underrated. I get it on Singed, always. The MR and +MS is great. Regen is just an added bonus.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 09 2010 19:05 GMT
#4876
FoN is definitely underrated, but I don't like getting it early* because it doesn't give HP, which is usually a problem area for tanks. I've seen a Mundo rush it and just stomp all over a magic-heavy team by starting FoN, getting SV, and going LOLOLOLOL.

*I don't play Singed, I remember mrgerry/Spudboy also talking about FoN being nice on Singed, IIRC.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 09 2010 19:18 GMT
#4877
so im looking at LoL items, im wondering what your guy's opinion on getting Aegis of the Legion for WW late game would be(like, when it comes to 5 on 5 battles only time)
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 09 2010 19:22 GMT
#4878
I think Aegis is "okay" but it's definitely better early-game than late. It just doesn't give enough oomph to be worth it late into a game. It's a nice starter or closer item for some heroes (like closing off GA with Aegis on Taric), but not much more than that, is my opinion on it.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 09 2010 19:22 GMT
#4879
On July 10 2010 04:18 travis wrote:
so im looking at LoL items, im wondering what your guy's opinion on getting Aegis of the Legion for WW late game would be(like, when it comes to 5 on 5 battles only time)

It's a lot better in the early game and becomes more and more redundant as the time goes on. It's a good first item on almost any tank, but for a WW in the late game it's a no.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 09 2010 19:27 GMT
#4880
On July 10 2010 04:18 travis wrote:
so im looking at LoL items, im wondering what your guy's opinion on getting Aegis of the Legion for WW late game would be(like, when it comes to 5 on 5 battles only time)


Its a great item (as people have said, especially early) but its not a particularly valuable item for Warwick. It delays gettings his damage dealing items and doesn't provide as much survivability as a sunfire cape.

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