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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 09 2010 17:46 GMT
#4841
Probably the latter.

Ranked games will be based once again on individual elo. Later on, they say, ranked games will implement a team elo, which seems to make a little more sense.
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 09 2010 17:46 GMT
#4842
On July 10 2010 02:44 HazMat wrote:
So how exactly will the transaction to season 1 work? Will our elo get reset or will they just make a whole new elo for ranked and keep our elo for un-ranked?


i heard somewhere that they will give everyone a separate elo and start everyone at 1200
Jaw
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 17:50:31
July 09 2010 17:48 GMT
#4843
On July 10 2010 02:22 gtrsrs wrote:
are you guys kidding me? all but the ABSOLUTE worst players are going to move to ranked. unranked will be what Twisted Treeline is now - empty. there are sooooooo many terrible players that have just grinded their way to a large number of wins (even if their losses are also high) and think they're good at this game. didn't they do a poll on the LoL forums and like 70% of players think they're mid-high ELO? aka 70% of players think they're good enough to play competitively... ranked is going to be what normal 5's is now, and unranked is going to be dick around mode.


riots in that same thread did say that most people posting on their forum are in mid-high elo. i truly think rank game will be better for solo quer
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 09 2010 17:49 GMT
#4844
So I have to go through the shitty players that everyone is talking about all over again?
Took me forever to get to an elo where players actually know what they're doing
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 09 2010 17:57 GMT
#4845
On July 10 2010 02:22 gtrsrs wrote:
are you guys kidding me? all but the ABSOLUTE worst players are going to move to ranked. unranked will be what Twisted Treeline is now - empty. there are sooooooo many terrible players that have just grinded their way to a large number of wins (even if their losses are also high) and think they're good at this game. didn't they do a poll on the LoL forums and like 70% of players think they're mid-high ELO? aka 70% of players think they're good enough to play competitively... ranked is going to be what normal 5's is now, and unranked is going to be dick around mode.

In DotA, easymode and AP and SD and such are all way more popular than modes like captain mode or captain draft. Even good players might want to play casually or pick the champion that they like without the chance of him being banned or someone in the opposing team picking him. Oh yeah, and mid-high elo seriously isn't good enough to play competitively in tournaments.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 09 2010 18:09 GMT
#4846
The way people overestimate themselves in games like DotA or LoL is just too amusing. At least with StarCraft, you have a rather stark reality on how good you are since it's a 1v1 setting.

While modes like AR will probably be a lot of fun, I'm looking forward to ranked games and draft mode. Will breath some fresh life into LoL after 8 months of blind pick.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 09 2010 18:14 GMT
#4847
On July 10 2010 02:48 jaw wrote:
riots in that same thread did say that most people posting on their forum are in mid-high elo


oh dear god help us
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 09 2010 18:17 GMT
#4848
good thing I'm in high-gosu ELO :p I can still look down on all those forum posters *whew*.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 09 2010 18:18 GMT
#4849
On July 10 2010 03:17 Mogwai wrote:
good thing I'm in high-gosu ELO :p I can still look down on all those forum posters *whew*.


Still haven't played a game with your Panth yet. wtb a game.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 09 2010 18:22 GMT
#4850
well, I'm not playing at all the next couple nights, but I should be on at some point on Sunday, so hit me up if you want a game.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 09 2010 18:26 GMT
#4851
Word on the streets says that Shaco and Pantheon are getting nerfed on the competitive launch
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 09 2010 18:29 GMT
#4852
On July 10 2010 03:26 Shikyo wrote:
Word on the streets says that Shaco and Pantheon are getting nerfed on the competitive launch


There are some Panth tweaks in works (meaning in the next patch or one after). Nothing tangible in regards to Shaco.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 09 2010 18:34 GMT
#4853
I've been bouncing around on it, but now I'd like to say that I fully support some sort of Pantheon nerfs so that the tryhardfags stop picking my damn character and sucking with him. I sorta miss the uniqueness of being a Pantheon rather than being considered a FotM tier whore for picking my character.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 18:48:29
July 09 2010 18:37 GMT
#4854
I play against named players enough that I'm confident (finally) of saying I'm a high elo player. Until like a month ago I was pretty confident in calling myself mid-high because I was running into named players once a week. :p I don't think there's really any other way of guestimating where you are.

Travis:
Sorry if I was sounding like a dick, I was trying to win, and we really needed to play perfectly to pull it off (5v4 -2 inhibs), so I was being really direct. To summarize the points I brought up:

Warwick's not (ideally) an initiator, as he simply cannot survive a lot of hits (especially if you build him the way you did) - that's where a true tank shines, as the tank just lumbers in and forces combat engagement, that way the softer attackers (Kat and WW) can get in and hit targets they should be hitting, as opposed to being relegated to hitting "whatever I can." So you need to just wait until Malphite goes in, and THEN ult onto whoever.

Number two (and not something I brought up in game) is that WW is pretty variable with item builds. Against squishy teams you can do stuff like heavy damage, but you also need to be aware that as the game goes on, your ult doesn't do much except to move you to a target (especially once you run into teams packing mass Cleanse). So you can't rely on it to "nuke" people to death, especially late-game when the damage you do with one hit (~300) doesn't stack up enough to actually kill someone (~2500+ hp).

Particularly against a tanky team like that (3000+ hp and lots of armor/mr) you need to change things up. For instance, BR stacks, and does damage based on max HP, so if you really wanted more damage it probably would have been better to simply stack BRs in that game.

At higher elos one of the things I see most WWs do is build a Bloodrazor and then stack Sunfires, as this solves his survivability issue, turns him into an initiator, and BR does decent enough damage to keep him a "must-hit" threat.

Hope that helps o/

Edit:
Also I noticed you complaining about stuns, and looked up the game - you had Boots of Swiftness. Treads > Stuns. You can open Swiftness if you want, but as the game goes on, if you find crowd control to be a problem, sell the Swiftness and buy Treads.

http://www.lolbase.net/matches/view/US28302096

There's an interesting double-WW game if you're curious to see what sort of builds I see. I actually uploaded an fpvod of that game to youtube - dunno how useful that'd be because I'm obviously not watching the WW, but if you wanna watch the minimap to see the WW's movement and such then I can re-link it (posted it somewhere in this thread).
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 09 2010 18:37 GMT
#4855
On July 10 2010 03:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:26 Shikyo wrote:
Word on the streets says that Shaco and Pantheon are getting nerfed on the competitive launch


There are some Panth tweaks in works (meaning in the next patch or one after). Nothing tangible in regards to Shaco.


Any news about Heimerdinger? :|
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 09 2010 18:39 GMT
#4856
God I hate double fortify heim teams...
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 09 2010 18:44 GMT
#4857
On July 10 2010 03:37 Southlight wrote:
I play against named players enough that I'm confident (finally) of saying I'm a high elo player. Until like a month ago I was pretty confident in calling myself mid-high because I was running into named players once a week. :p I don't think there's really any other way of guestimating where you are.

Travis:
Sorry if I was sounding like a dick, I was trying to win, and we really needed to play perfectly to pull it off (5v4 -2 inhibs), so I was being really direct. To summarize the points I brought up:

Warwick's not (ideally) an initiator, as he simply cannot survive a lot of hits (especially if you build him the way you did) - that's where a true tank shines, as the tank just lumbers in and forces combat engagement, that way the softer attackers (Kat and WW) can get in and hit targets they should be hitting, as opposed to being relegated to hitting "whatever I can." So you need to just wait until Malphite goes in, and THEN ult onto whoever.

Number two (and not something I brought up in game) is that WW is pretty variable with item builds. Against squishy teams you can do stuff like heavy damage, but you also need to be aware that as the game goes on, your ult doesn't do much except to move you to a target (especially once you run into teams packing mass Cleanse). So you can't rely on it to "nuke" people to death, especially late-game when the damage you do with one hit (~300) doesn't stack up enough to actually kill someone (~2500+ hp).

Particularly against a tanky team like that (3000+ hp and lots of armor/mr) you need to change things up. For instance, BR stacks, and does damage based on max HP, so if you really wanted more damage it probably would have been better to simply stack BRs in that game.

At higher elos one of the things I see most WWs do is build a Bloodrazor and then stack Sunfires, as this solves his survivability issue, turns him into an initiator, and BR does decent enough damage to keep him a "must-hit" threat.

Hope that helps o/


WW is a pretty terribad initiator. You ulti in and it's pretty much a "focus the wolf!" move for the other team. Even worse if the other team has Cleanse but you should hit tab before you ulti, obv. Though when Suppression gets in, WW and Mal ulti's will be a lot better.

WW in general is jungle control and secondly a disabler. Know that once you ulti in, you draw a ton of aggro. Play WW as you with Shaco. Skirmish a little, then initiate 2-3 seconds after fights begin. It'll guarantee you a lot more burst damage. Never ulti in first in a 5v5 setting where both teams are near full hp. That's just silly.
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APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 18:44:37
July 09 2010 18:44 GMT
#4858
Particularly against a tanky team like that (3000+ hp and lots of armor/mr) you need to change things up. For instance, BR stacks, and does damage based on max HP, so if you really wanted more damage it probably would have been better to simply stack BRs in that game.


Er...isn't Bloodrazor's 4% damage thing unique?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 09 2010 18:45 GMT
#4859
On July 10 2010 03:37 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:26 Shikyo wrote:
Word on the streets says that Shaco and Pantheon are getting nerfed on the competitive launch


There are some Panth tweaks in works (meaning in the next patch or one after). Nothing tangible in regards to Shaco.


Any news about Heimerdinger? :|


Same boat as Shaco. Riot acknowledges Heimer is strong but are unsure about any changes (or they're not openly discussing them yet).
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 18:47:55
July 09 2010 18:45 GMT
#4860
On July 10 2010 03:44 APurpleCow wrote:
Er...isn't Bloodrazor's 4% damage thing unique?


Gasp, so it is. Wow, they must have changed it a long time ago, I swear it wasn't unique when I first started playing O_O

On July 10 2010 03:45 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:37 Southlight wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:26 Shikyo wrote:
Word on the streets says that Shaco and Pantheon are getting nerfed on the competitive launch


There are some Panth tweaks in works (meaning in the next patch or one after). Nothing tangible in regards to Shaco.


Any news about Heimerdinger? :|


Same boat as Shaco. Riot acknowledges Heimer is strong but are unsure about any changes (or they're not openly discussing them yet).


BOOOOOOOOO

Edit:
On July 10 2010 03:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
WW is a pretty terribad initiator. You ulti in and it's pretty much a "focus the wolf!" move for the other team. Even worse if the other team has Cleanse but you should hit tab before you ulti, obv. Though when Suppression gets in, WW and Mal ulti's will be a lot better.

WW in general is jungle control and secondly a disabler. Know that once you ulti in, you draw a ton of aggro. Play WW as you with Shaco. Skirmish a little, then initiate 2-3 seconds after fights begin. It'll guarantee you a lot more burst damage. Never ulti in first in a 5v5 setting where both teams are near full hp. That's just silly.


Thanks for the backup <3 Yeah I was trying to explain it to him but in the heat of the moment we ended up just yapping at each other about me being a dick. Poo. Was trying to explain to him that my hero (Katarina) was basically the same as WW in a late-game teamfight, just stand around, wait for Malph, then hit R and pray lol.
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