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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
<_< >_> but w/e, I don't enjoy TF anymore anyway. If XinZhao is any good, I will be playing him cuz I was a RotTK fanboi as a kid and like the idea of knockup locking people with 3-talon strike and the AS buff thingie. Otherwise, I'm gonna be learning Nunu, Nasus, and maybe picking Nidalee back up for Season 1. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On July 07 2010 02:26 redtooth wrote: i suggest you specialize in a character regardless. even with season 1 coming out, you should always have a "fallback/carry" hero at your disposal. expertise in a character allows the impossible to happen. To expound on that, in LoL "roles" aren't usually as cut-and-dry as DotA/HoN, because of the way AP works and because item builds are usually so very flexible. Even on Soraka, for instance, I see Pokey on one end of the spectrum running Soul Shroud and something else that I forget, and on the other end I saw Aaerox rush Zhonya and stack AP. So even on the same "support" hero you get one player who runs a pure support while the other plays a nuking healing hybrid with less pure support. There's also been some debate over the past few days about Kassadin, who's supposedly a vulture killer nuker, yet the way I play him is more like a hybrid Ashe/Annie, playing as a great chaser and defender while only really vulturing when there's no one else to "finish the job." Thus, while you might be bound to certain heroes by your playing preference (I play very defensive and "throw myself on the grenade," so playing carries is like roflolplzdon't) you'll gradually find yourself having much more success on like, one or two heroes. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 07 2010 02:23 Leon-bw wrote: Players don't usually specialise in a hero, rather in a role (though they can be better with some dedicated heroes) in dota/hon, evenmore so when you have bandraft format which doesn't guarantee that you get to play your "main". In my experience in LoL, I specialize in champions a lot more so than in a role. I can tank just fine with Alistar, I can play a support role just fine with Soraka, I can be a DPS carry just fine with Jax or Ashe. If you ask me to tank with Shen, I will suck, guaranteed; if you ask me to be a DPS carry with Ezreal, I will also suck. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Apparently tekkengod too but I've never seen his Yi so I don't actually know if his Yi is good or if he just sucks as a whole. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On July 07 2010 02:34 Zato-1 wrote: In my experience in LoL, I specialize in champions a lot more so than in a role. I can tank just fine with Alistar, I can play a support role just fine with Soraka, I can be a DPS carry just fine with Jax or Ashe. If you ask me to tank with Shen, I will suck, guaranteed; if you ask me to be a DPS carry with Ezreal, I will also suck. to be honest, i dont think there is such 1champs/1role in any dota-like games. i hv seen a shen tank b4 and holy cow its effective! what im trying to say is that it is situation base. the way you set up your masteries might tell you what to do, for example: a support soraka but some how accidentaly, you got 4-0 in the 1st 10 mins of the game including 1st blood. most of the team money is in your hand and what wuold you do? you will have to buy killer items to countinue on that flow to be a team carry into end-midgame at least. + Show Spoiler + some how while reading this thread, my head cant stop thinking of proxy tech Protoss in sc2.... | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 07 2010 02:44 NB wrote: to be honest, i dont think there is such 1champs/1role in any dota-like games. i hv seen a shen tank b4 and holy cow its effective! what im trying to say is that it is situation base. the way you set up your masteries might tell you what to do, for example: a support soraka but some how accidentaly, you got 4-0 in the 1st 10 mins of the game including 1st blood. most of the team money is in your hand and what wuold you do? you will have to buy killer items to countinue on that flow to be a team carry into end-midgame at least. + Show Spoiler + some how while reading this thread, my head cant stop thinking of proxy tech Protoss in sc2.... I have gone 4-0 with Soraka a few times :p I mostly just buy more AP, more HP and more CDR to make my team more immortal than they would've been, were I of lower level. Sure, I can have some more offensive capabilities (and can probably play more aggresively) if I'm so fed, but I'll be moderately dangerous at best- meanwhile, I'll be infinitely annoying with massive heals. Soraka is a support champion first and foremost  | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 07 2010 02:51 Mogwai wrote: I think more of Zato's point was that the same role can require VASTLY different skillsets in this game Yeah, pretty much. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On July 07 2010 02:37 Southlight wrote: tekkengod is TF.It's the same for Tictacs and Maknoon and other such one-trick wonders. Meh. Apparently tekkengod too but I've never seen his Yi so I don't actually know if his Yi is good or if he just sucks as a whole. on topic though, specializing makes them waste a ban on a hero you wouldn't otherwise ban. good players (even the one trick ponys) are usually going to be good no matter what hero they play. but when good players specialize in a hero and tryhard with that hero ingame, it's a different story entirely. you have to either waste a ban on nidalee against HS or get fucked over the entire game. but if you do ban then he can play other heroes well too. dunno i've been thinking about this lately as i try to get good with other heroes in preparation for season 1. i'm not that famous a name so i doubt they'll ban kat to counter me but if they do then they're seriously just wasting a ban (or at least being forced to waste a ban). it's interesting to see how pre-game strategy will effect outcomes in-game. i'm so excited for season 1. | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
I don't even know if I'm gonna take this game seriously enough to get truely competative at lvl 30, probably just continue playing for the fun of it, letting SC2 take over the competative bit... I figure Nasus is enough of an outlier+team oriented hero that I can run with him all the way through, never having to worry about being blocked from choosing him, and always being able to bring something to whatever the team makup is. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On July 07 2010 02:51 Mogwai wrote: I think more of Zato's point was that the same role can require VASTLY different skillsets in this game, whereas in DotA it felt a little more cut and dry what was needed from say, "Ranged Carry" or "Tank" or whatever. I feel this way, but I also sucked at DotA and got into it way too late to have any sort of relevant experience compared to my LoL experience, so it's not really fair of me to make this sort of comparison. little offended by this after 4 years playing/replay analyzing dota  ... oh well its really rare but there are lots of example of effective counter build in dota thats doesnt follow the main role of each heroes.but i hvnt reach lvl 30 in LoL yet so i will pause myself here cant wait for the champs rotation... come on riot, works faster!!! | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
I'm worried about Kassadin just because people that play Jax and know how Kassadin works might insta-ban Kassadin | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
but at the same time, I really think the stupid ass str/agi/int system was a really super fucking limiting and retardedly contrived bit of DotA that trivialized a lot of the potential diversity in how heroes could be designed and built. I understand this is just a byproduct of it piggybacking on WC3, but I do think it's one of the big culprits that makes characters in LoL feel a lot more diverse to me. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
will the start of season 1 affect us lower levels at all? I don't even know if I'm gonna take this game seriously enough to get truely competative at lvl 30, probably just continue playing for the fun of it, letting SC2 take over the competative bit... I figure Nasus is enough of an outlier+team oriented hero that I can run with him all the way through, never having to worry about being blocked from choosing him, and always being able to bring something to whatever the team makup is. If you don't want to play ban/draft ladder I don't think you have to with the start of season 1. That said, you really should try out or at least get decent with a few other heroes just in case. If I play you I'd be taking Nasus and then what would you do? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On July 07 2010 03:12 Chrispy wrote: I got smoked by Tekkengod's AP TF, man did that ever hurt. o_O I've seem him get smoked solo mid both times I've seen him go TF. Maybe I've only caught him on bad matchups, or something, I dunno. | ||
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