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On July 03 2010 18:47 judochopaction wrote:


i think this is outdated

as in its no good for these days needs

On July 04 2010 01:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

Wat

I disagree wholeheartedly with hp/lv on anyone, much less a caster. Dodge seals (Nimbleness trigger) or mp5/lv seals, there's no real other option. Glyphs can be mp5/lv or flat/per lv cdr.

On July 04 2010 00:27 NB wrote:
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on another story, had a game today where my annie creep stat >300... teammate fucked that game up but still...

I hate how i soloq queue and get into 4 people premade game, they r either all bad or 1-2 Horribly bad and 2 decent ... got that like 5 times today

On July 04 2010 01:31 Khenra wrote:


Wat

I disagree! Dodge seals are terrible on casters. They do not have enough health to make them worth it. Dodge is worth it on tanks that will dodge multiple hits before going down. When your total HP is under 2000, dodge seals are pretty worthless. You will dodge maybe 1 attack before dying to damage. The extra health provided by health/lvl runes is a much greater boost to a caster's survivability.

And nimbleness trigger, what? Most casters build 9/0/21.

On July 04 2010 01:50 Phrost wrote:


Dodge gives more survival than flat hp. 6.8% chance to dodge an attack that probably does several times more damage than the amount of hp you gain from the seals makes it worth it.

And if you spec 9 in defense you get 2% more dodge as well as 10% MS boost upon dodging.

Dodge is unfortunately the best type of survival against physical damage.

On July 04 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              04 2010 01      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

I've just been opening meki + 2 pots and raise morale to kill 2 melee creeps before we get to lane (denying like 2/6 of the exp) and going parrrrley remove scurvy parrrley parrrrley ult parrrley

2 avarice blades then straight for inf edge>black cleaver/bloodthirster

On July 04 2010 02 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              04 2010 02      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:46 Khenra wrote:


Well you said it, against physical damage only.

But there's another issue with dodge. In the laning phase, extra health allows you to be more aggressive, while you can't rely on a lucky dodge to make your attack succeed.

When you calculate it, in the endgame the 6.7% dodge gained from seals will translate into something like 500 dmg a hit * 0.067 = 33,5 less hp lost per hit recieved. Health seals give you 175 hp at lvl 18, so when taking 5 normal attacks the runes are equal.

However, this math kind of sucks because dodge is unreliable, AND it does not protect against magical damage. This makes health runes superior.

Really, I used to run dodge seals for the longest time, just blindly following what I heard or read of forums. Now I only run dodge on (some) tanks, and health on almost everything else. Just try it, and you'll see my point.

On July 04 2010 03:36 Shikyo wrote:

Well the thing about dodge is that there's a chance it saves you when health couldn't. Like if an attack would deal 500 dmg and you have 100 / 300 hp with runes, the extra hp won't save you but the dodge might.

On July 04 2010 03 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              04 2010 03      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:41 Khenra wrote:


However, the extra health gives you an opportunity to react to the situation and back out early enough. Anyway, I think the argument ends with the fact that dodge is unreliable while health is reliable. Health saves you more often (imo), although living by dodging an attacks will make you remember it

On July 04 2010 03 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 03 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:41 Khenra wrote:


However, the extra health gives you an opportunity to react to the situation and back out early enough. Anyway, I think the argument ends with the fact that dodge is unreliable while health is reliable. Health saves you more often (imo), although living by dodging an attacks will make you remember it