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On July 03 2010 13:02 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 12:44 pokeyAA wrote:
I want to take time out and thank a very special Teemo, for trying to out harass my Kat with blinding shot against my doran shield and defensive masteries, going 0-3 within 5 minutes, and letting me have my way with their team. Haven't had such an easy game in a long time.
the end defensive masteries, health quints, and dorans shield are for noob kats. l2p 400 movespeed utility tree kat.
Haha honestly I'm still trying to figure out a build for Kat that I like. I might try that one day, but unfortunately I do not have movespeed quints.
Do you level up BB alot early even though youre AP Kat?
I feel I dont do enough damage in team fights with doran shield, sorc shoes,and haunting guise early game, but that may be just because I'm impatient. I base this off getting a full duration ult off on people (a teemo and warwick last game) and only doing like half their hp. If you manage to rack up enough gold for a BF sword your first trip back, would you just switch to AD then?
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Brawler glove nidalee!!!! So much better than doran ring nidalee. The hell is the point of the HP if your champ has 0 burst or cc until level 6.
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On July 03 2010 11:27 Fruscainte wrote:
Jesus Christ, Shaco is such bull shit holy crap. His fucking stealth is so retarded. I get him to literally 50 fucking HP and he just herps and stealths and just walks away. Every fucking time I catch him off guard and am about to kill him or can kill him, YUP JUST STEALTH AWAY. Oh, and his stealth also freaking teleports him or something too away from you. So EVEN IF YOU CAN afford an Oracles Elixir at a ridiculously low level without gimping your build, he can still easily get away.
And even better, the CD on it is a joke.
I'm sorry to rage but seriously. This is frustrating me. A shaco every game and it takes no skill to play AT ALL.
He can also solo baron nashor at level 12.
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i actually don't think shaco is as easy to play as you say, this coming from a non-shaco player
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this is frustrating, without chat channel aka. liquidparty, i have no where to spam, troll, rage ....
i cant stand this ANYMOARRRRRRRRRR
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On July 03 2010 11:43 redtooth wrote:
this would make sense were ELO gains equal between solo queing and 5man premading. if you solo que, you don't lose much ELO when you lose. when you premade, you lose a crapton of ELO when you lose and don't really gain much when you win. MM takes your logic into account and realizes that a 5man premade has a much higher change of winning than 5 solos so the solos shouldn't be punished for losing and the premade shouldn't be rewarded too much for winning.
the other part of it is that when you 5man premade your ELO becomes VERY VERY inflated. it's to the point where at high ELO, being the only solo on a 4man premade usually means certain loss. in short, it means you'll end up playing with opponents who are much much much better than you. if you are up to the challenge then by all means i invite you. and by all means premading is a very plausible way to reach high ELO. i just don't see why people bash on solo que so much. given a large enough number of games played, you will be in the solo-que ELO that you belong. kdr doesn't mean shit.
i'm gonna need numbers before i can get behind this
what you're saying is, if you play a 5-man pre-made, you'll always get matched against better players (or those with a higher ELO at least). so why do i win 80% of 5-man premades? am i a top tier player? how about when my premade plays against another pre-made that's clearly not as good as us?
what about a solo queue-er that gets matched with a 4-man premade and they win? does the solo queue guy get a lot more ELO points for the win? how would that make sense? how do you EVER know when you solo queue if you're going to play with other solo's or with a pre-made?
how can you say that winning a premade results in very few ELO points gained and losing results in heavy losses? that simply doesn't make sense. either your exaggerating heavily or lets say you lose (i'm about to make up some numbers based on what i think a "crapton" and "really not much" points are) 100 hypothetical ELO points and win only 15 for a premade loss/win. are you legitimately trying to tell me that 2 losses could take days of games to recover?? and it's even less believable in solo queue - if you gained A TON of points for every win, and lost relatively few for every loss, then EVERYONE would be high level simply winning the attrition war against their loss count. Even someone running at only 50% wins would be a high level player. would someone that's entrenched at +140 wins be able to intentionally lose 100 games straight and still be top tier? that's the way you're making it sound and i think that would be a highly ineffective rating system
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On July 03 2010 13:53 NB wrote:
this is frustrating, without chat channel aka. liquidparty, i have no where to spam, troll, rage ....
i cant stand this ANYMOARRRRRRRRRR
yo i thought of this earlier today but other chat channels seem to be working... why don't we have a back-up channel just in case something like this happens? partyliquid or liquidfarty or teamliquid? just put it in the OP as the place to go when liquidparty is down...
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On July 03 2010 14:05 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 13:53 NB wrote:
this is frustrating, without chat channel aka. liquidparty, i have no where to spam, troll, rage ....
i cant stand this ANYMOARRRRRRRRRR yo i thought of this earlier today but other chat channels seem to be working... why don't we have a back-up channel just in case something like this happens? partyliquid or liquidfarty or teamliquid? just put it in the OP as the place to go when liquidparty is down...
we can either use TL irc which is a mess, or there is a webchat-channel system i found in LoLbase ads
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Typically, when you queue as a five-man premade, you'll get matched against other five-man premades. With partial premades, I think that the matchmaker matches you slightly higher than what you would normally be at to account for the coordination that normally is associated with premading. I don't know whether all games as five-mans are only matched against five-mans, and how large the ELO adjuster would be if one was not.
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feels good to be lvl 20, had just enough IP to fill all my available Purple/Yellow/Blue with Energy regen and Cooldown plvls.
Which means I should probly invest in either Akali or Kennen because if someone grabs Shen my runepage is screwed 
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On July 03 2010 11:50 Southlight wrote:
Southlight trying to win: 0-5
Southlight afk-ing because someone's pissing him off: 1-0
u probably lowered ur ELO enough to win a game u try to lose 
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desperate for a win so I played shaco. sigh.
edit - finally queued with yiruru and some one dodged! noez
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well since liquidparty is still down we can try a new chat channel.
apparently LoLiquid works....
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On July 03 2010 14:04 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 11:43 redtooth wrote:
this would make sense were ELO gains equal between solo queing and 5man premading. if you solo que, you don't lose much ELO when you lose. when you premade, you lose a crapton of ELO when you lose and don't really gain much when you win. MM takes your logic into account and realizes that a 5man premade has a much higher change of winning than 5 solos so the solos shouldn't be punished for losing and the premade shouldn't be rewarded too much for winning.
the other part of it is that when you 5man premade your ELO becomes VERY VERY inflated. it's to the point where at high ELO, being the only solo on a 4man premade usually means certain loss. in short, it means you'll end up playing with opponents who are much much much better than you. if you are up to the challenge then by all means i invite you. and by all means premading is a very plausible way to reach high ELO. i just don't see why people bash on solo que so much. given a large enough number of games played, you will be in the solo-que ELO that you belong. kdr doesn't mean shit. i'm gonna need numbers before i can get behind this what you're saying is, if you play a 5-man pre-made, you'll always get matched against better players (or those with a higher ELO at least). so why do i win 80% of 5-man premades? am i a top tier player? how about when my premade plays against another pre-made that's clearly not as good as us? what about a solo queue-er that gets matched with a 4-man premade and they win? does the solo queue guy get a lot more ELO points for the win? how would that make sense? how do you EVER know when you solo queue if you're going to play with other solo's or with a pre-made? how can you say that winning a premade results in very few ELO points gained and losing results in heavy losses? that simply doesn't make sense. either your exaggerating heavily or lets say you lose (i'm about to make up some numbers based on what i think a "crapton" and "really not much" points are) 100 hypothetical ELO points and win only 15 for a premade loss/win. are you legitimately trying to tell me that 2 losses could take days of games to recover?? and it's even less believable in solo queue - if you gained A TON of points for every win, and lost relatively few for every loss, then EVERYONE would be high level simply winning the attrition war against their loss count. Even someone running at only 50% wins would be a high level player. would someone that's entrenched at +140 wins be able to intentionally lose 100 games straight and still be top tier? that's the way you're making it sound and i think that would be a highly ineffective rating system responding paragraph by paragraph.
i don't know why you win more premade games? maybe you have better chemistry in your 5man? maybe your ELO is lower then it should be? maybe you que with 4 other people who have ELOs lower then it should be? maybe the people you're queing with are better at organizing the team than you are (that wasn't meant as an insult btw)? do you have a large enough sample size with your games?
afaik, the solo que-er with the 4man premade will receive a bonus calculated independently of the 4man. so let's say the average ELO of the other team is 1900. that is what is taken into consideration. the solo's ELO is 1950 and so he receives however many points. the average ELO of the 4man is 2000 so they receive penalties and bonuses adjusted for that.
it does make sense and i can personally say i've experienced it. a few weeks ago there were times when i'd notice a significant drop in opponent's skill levels after losing a streak of 5man premades with TL people. feel free to test it by trying a loss streak in solo que and a loss streak with a premade .
honestly though, ELO is just speculation and conjecture based on what people have experienced. that's why 99% of LoL players say they're "mid-high" ELO. however, this (what i said about solo-que vs premade) is what most people believe to be true and i've only seen support for it and no evidence against it in my playing experience.
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Matchmaking a Dilema
hey all I'm a little confused about the matchmaking it seems that every game I am always the carry it really pisses me off I am always like 27-5 and all my allies are like 1-4 0-3 etc what is going on where are all the good players and how do I get matched with similar skill its getting really annoying. Its fun at first, but now I want a challenge is my only answer arranged team or is there hope?
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also, gangplank is amazing. people have always seem to build him wrong but if you do it right he's such a force to be reckoned with. i might even start trying to main him.
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Sweet, sweet music to my ears.
I just hope you're not talking about tankplank.
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On July 03 2010 13:08 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 12:01 pokeyAA wrote:On July 03 2010 11:50 Southlight wrote:
Southlight trying to win: 0-5
Southlight afk-ing because someone's pissing him off: 1-0 Silly south, its cuz youre Kass. We cant lose that matchup even if we tried. I tried, really fucking hard, and failed. At losing.
you really did. :p I was ready to afk too just before they walked in and let you dk and after it, I was like... wait, is he gonna play now?
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On July 03 2010 11:18 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 10:46 Shikyo wrote:On July 03 2010 10 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 03 2010 10 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:24 redtooth wrote:not full games but most of the parts of the kat game: part1part2also the next one in the list is my nid game but i did so bad. Do you think you could type your exact summoner name here? The quality is kind of meh wrawrawrawra i'm the kat also, why is your quoting always so messed up? "end of the skype highlighting"
He does it so people actually read his posts, cause omg are they bad.
Quality > Quantity dude.
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