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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 01 2010 01:56 Slaughter wrote: Ah thanks, the problem for me is really balancing buying new champs versus runes, especially since I run like 3 champs right now, well 2 because Vei isnt free anymore, I need to buy him though because I have the best stats of all my champs with him hah. I realllly want to try Karthus! His abilities look cool and the couple games where I saw him played he did very well and it looks like he handles nice. Karthus basically plays as either a chasing magic dps / spammer in teamfights / cleanup with ghost. Oh and global ulti. He's got some of the best magic dps in the game but Lay Waste is really difficult to hit with and he's really squishy. You need quite a bit of gamesense and such to play as Karthus decently. Oh yeah, he also has the most annoying ultimate in the game, and he can cast it while dead. However... he's really squishy and doesn't have any hard disables, and he's kind of... boring. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On July 01 2010 02:00 Shikyo wrote: Karthus basically plays as either a chasing magic dps / spammer in teamfights / cleanup with ghost. Oh and global ulti. He's got some of the best magic dps in the game but Lay Waste is really difficult to hit with and he's really squishy. You need quite a bit of gamesense and such to play as Karthus decently. Oh yeah, he also has the most annoying ultimate in the game, and he can cast it while dead. However... he's really squishy and doesn't have any hard disables, and he's kind of... boring. that wall slows you a buttfuck ton. i think people play him mostly for the satisfaction of ulting people to death to piss them off. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: Updated the OP with the nuker question and the Pantheon question. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 01 2010 01:58 Mogwai wrote: well like, you're assuming it's doing too much because you, like many others, never seem to have actually understood what the bug was. so I guess my answer is simply that I have explained this many times and essentailly what the patch did was stop the abusive corner cases where Pantheon was stacking an unhealthy amount of AD for his level, but if the Pantheon is playing standard solo mid strategy, his HSS is actually stronger than it was before first B, and in most cases remains slightly stronger or about the same throughout the rest of the game until you get in the ballpark of 100 damage from items/elixirs. I guess what really bugs me about your "question" is that instead of asking, "hey, Panth hits really hard still, did they actually fix his bug?" you said that it doesn't seem to be fixed, which just demonstrates that you didn't know what the bug was, only that it hit really hard. And I've spent a hell of a lot of time explaining the bug and how the patch didn't do a lot to impact Panth's effectiveness, so yea... just bugs me when people still don't seem to get it and bring it up again. I'm not able to play atm and am just judging off videos o_O it's an innocent question. "that wall slows you a buttfuck ton. i think people play him mostly for the satisfaction of ulting people to death to piss them off. " Hence chaser yes, but he doesn't have hard disables, and that's pretty much the only surefire way for him to land his Lay Waste without help. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On July 01 2010 02:07 Shikyo wrote:only surefire way for him to land his Lay Waste without help. Skillshot. Good players land it without any help, and that's why they're good :p | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 01 2010 02:09 Southlight wrote: Skillshot. Good players land it without any help, and that's why they're good :p You can say that all you want, but truth of the matter is that they'll know where it'll hit and will run out of the way. If you're just alone, you won't really land almost any Lay Wastes especially if they have some kind of boots. Most of the times you land them without the wall's help is by forcing your opponents to go a certain way and of course they're great for the teamfight spam. I'm not even sure what you're talking about, you can use it on top of their character model and they run out of the way before it hits, you need to hit while they're lasthitting or something but that's only for the laning phase. On July 01 2010 02:14 Juicyfruit wrote: Exhaust seems like such a no-brainer on karthus. You're basically insta-fucked if you mid against karthus and don't have cleanse or flash, and he exhaust and then chain-wall you. Kind of, you can insta-kill quite many champions at lvl 5-6 if you have close to full mana. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
It's also difficult dodging it during any sort of multi-person skirmish (like 2v2 3v3) because you can't pay full attention to where Karthus is LWing. Edit: My point is just, if Karthus comes in from the side, they should and will land successive LW hits because they have a good idea which way you must go and which ways you would really rather not go, and either force you into a bad path or punish you for taking the path you must take, whether they have a wall, stun, or not. I know the point was "surefire" but I've seen some dominant Karthus players just skillshot people to death with that skill without any snares/stuns, even after everyone has boots. | ||
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Baloop
United States127 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
You can say that all you want, but truth of the matter is that they'll know where it'll hit and will run out of the way. If you're just alone, you won't really land almost any Lay Wastes especially if they have some kind of boots. lolwat it's yomi layers man. a good player plays at a higher level of yomi than his opponent. if you're smart, you'll always land your skillshots (or if you're ezreal because his shots are ezpz) | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 01 2010 02:24 Southlight wrote: The hitbox on LW is a hair bigger than the graphic; without boots it's really hard to dodge it without prediction, so it becomes a big fat mindgame siege... except while you're running around he's still farming. Then, if you both have boots and the Karthus decides to go for you, short of being faster, if you get caught at the edge of defile range and he's chasing you it becomes really tough to not die, either to LW and/or the defile aoe. It's also difficult dodging it during any sort of multi-person skirmish (like 2v2 3v3) because you can't pay full attention to where Karthus is LWing. Of course, but I beat Karthuses with Tryndamere solo mid, it's not that difficult to avoid or at least minimize the dmg =P Remember that Defile drains your mana extremely rapidly, and he most likely will use most of it for the Lay Wastes, or he tries the insta-kill at like lvl 5... which most likely will kill you if you don't have an escape mech. But yeah, they're still pretty easy to avoid, and staying close to minions makes it a lot less effective. On July 01 2010 02:27 gtrsrs wrote: lolwat it's yomi layers man. a good player plays at a higher level of yomi than his opponent. if you're smart, you'll always land your skillshots (or if you're ezreal because his shots are ezpz) Yomi layers? I have no clue of what that means but the mindgame aspect of the skillshots only applies for skills you can't dodge by reflex. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
lol @ Brees, yeah I really want Season 1 to come soon >_< | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
E: Still think Nidalee should beat Karthus though | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On July 01 2010 02:31 Southlight wrote: And I've seen good Karthuses obliterate Nidalees (pre-nerf), Ashes, Annies, etc. The keyword is good, most Karthus players are atrocious. It's also nearly impossible to drain them of mana because they're constantly getting mana back from defile's passive return. lol @ Brees, yeah I really want Season 1 to come soon >_< sad thing is we won with this comp: Shaco, pantheon, eve, taric, heimer rofl. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 01 2010 02:28 Shikyo wrote: Yomi layers? I have no clue of what that means but the mindgame aspect of the skillshots only applies for skills you can't dodge by reflex. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=yomi layers&l=1 playing at a higher yomi layer than your opponent means you'll put your skillshot exactly in the spot where they intended to dodge to, and hit them anyways | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On July 01 2010 02:39 Southlight wrote: Taric/Heimer/Shaco brutalizes Baron, and it's a pretty strong push comp because of it :x I've actually not seen a team carrying those three lose yet >_< yea we baroned at lvl 12, couldnt really push though. they had kayle/soraka/shaco/ezrael/something | ||
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