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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:00 spinesheath wrote: Who is he agreeing with though? 40% CDR sounds great if you pick her because of ECA, doesn't it? If everyone has teleport/revive sure. You only need 1 ECA in a teamfight. That is why IE/LW is superior. You rarely even volley in a teamfight except for chasing since it removes auto attack animations. | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
450 hp carry w/ arpen quints, vs 700hp carry w/ hp quints and a dorans. Both go back to base, 450hp guy saves for BF, 700hp gets another dorans, and now its 800hp carry vs 1.2k hp carry, you can be so much more aggressive and punishing if the other guy goes vampire scepter or some stupid shit if you get dorans. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:02 gtrsrs wrote: yeah it's one of those FotM things that makes no sense Twitch purchases 3 d blades You are tristana with one d blade and boots, working towards your bf sword twitch stays stealthed in mid entire time, not allowing you to last hit because you cant evenly trade with him better to delay your items then not get them at all, basically... | ||
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Pandonetho
Canada321 Posts
I keep reading about rushing to BF, but don't you just end up losing money on selling your D blades instead of just straight up farming for a BF? Or is the tradeoff worth it from the potential extra farm you can get from 3 Dblades? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:07 Luckbox wrote: It's not fotm it makes perfect sense. 450 hp carry w/ arpen quints, vs 700hp carry w/ hp quints and a dorans. Both go back to base, 450hp guy saves for BF, 700hp gets another dorans, and now its 800hp carry vs 1.2k hp carry, you can be so much more aggressive and punishing if the other guy goes vampire scepter or some stupid shit if you get dorans. or... in a more realistic scenario, they both come to lane with 700 HP because everyone runs HP quints, they back and return, and now it's the 700 hp guy versus the 820 HP guy... | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:08 Brees wrote: Twitch purchases 3 d blades You are tristana with one d blade and boots, working towards your bf sword twitch stays stealthed in mid entire time, not allowing you to last hit because you cant evenly trade with him better to delay your items then not get them at all, basically... or since you're playing against twitch you buy a vision ward anyways, because you're a smart player, and now you've nullified his stealth advantage and he's behind in items... | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Triple D-Blade is the one thing that prevents certain nukers/lane control heroes (Kass, Annie, etc.) from kicking carries out of lane. Triple D-Blade also gives you the survivability and life steal to have staying power. The idea is to get triple D-Blade and then a Fort pot - upon activation you've got like 2000 HP and over those 4 minutes you can go around ganking and such and save up for an IE (obv. when it runs out you'll prolly have at best a BF Sword). Not to mention you're significantly stronger during this "down time" as you save up for a BF Sword than a carry who might get the BF Sword earlier but is worthless during a forced dragon fight. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
Stacking Dblades has a similar effect. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:12 gtrsrs wrote: or since you're playing against twitch you buy a vision ward anyways, because you're a smart player, and now you've nullified his stealth advantage and he's behind in items... twitch buys a vision ward, kills your vision ward since he has lane dominance, then goes back into stealth and gets 25 gold to boot. you were saying? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:37 Brees wrote: except thats not the proper build lol, its your build. there is no proper build. and How that makes you a bad version of trist I have no idea, wasnt aware trist had an AOE slow that didnt require you to jump in the middle of a team and a long range poke and a percentage of damage to go along with her autoattack, man i sure am dumb. Well, when you advocate getting crit and armor pen on a hero that's going to be dealing magic damage with his autoattacks and every skill he has, you kinda reduce the hero into a shitty version of the other long ranged dps carry. Trist going IE/LW makes sense because the majority of her damage is physical and she has a steroid spell that accounts for attack speed. She has the range to sit fairly far from a fight and just chew people up with red. Going IE/LW on kog gives you really terrible crits at a super slow rate, then gives you mediocre crits at a somewhat slow rate, but at least you've got that red + super range thing going on, right? | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:00 spinesheath wrote: Who is he agreeing with though? 40% CDR sounds great if you pick her because of ECA, doesn't it? no, you're missing the point completely. here's the point, high elo games revolve heavily around CC. most efficient ranged carries BLOW when it comes to CC. most carries with strong CC are inefficient damage dealers. Enter Ashe. Ok, fine, she doesn't have Rapid Fire. Ok, fine, she doesn't have gold card. But she does have an auto-crit, non-stop AoE AD Scaling poking + slow, reliable stun and perma slowing on her attack. She's just the best of both worlds. You can fill your ranged carry slot without compromising your teams CC suite. having that ECA in 45 seconds instead of 75 or w/e doesn't matter at all. Teamfights don't happen more frequently than every 75 seconds. So it's up anyway. It's roughly 500 times more important for you to be able to deal enough damage to fucking kill something in a timely matter once you initiate. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:14 myopia wrote: I get a second DShield on Kennen if the lane calls for it (Urgot, Teemo (lol) sometimes Ashe and MF.). The difference is makes is HUGE. Like that last ranked I played with you guitar when I was soloing that Urgot top. We were pretty even up until I backed for boots 1 and dshield, then I crushed him. Stacking Dblades has a similar effect. right. in that situation it makes sense. you're behind (or even), you need something situational to give you the edge. but lets say you were zoning the urgot and you even got a kill on him. you're not going to worry about him making some valiant comeback with his -2 level disadvantage and no farm. so why are you building a buffer? just get that *whatever kennen buys* instead and push your advantage. i'm not saying triple d-blade is bad always. i think it's the right move when you're down or even. it's just when you're already ahead that i feel like you are pissing away an advantage by building a subpar build | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:15 Southlight wrote: He was talking about Ashe, not Kog, L. i was talking about both actually, a lilac showed me just how bad BR on kog'maw is and he's even more broken then I previously thought. with IE/LW he got a quadra kill by himself basically. The damage is absurd. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:16 Brees wrote: i was talking about both actually, a lilac showed me just how bad BR on kog'maw is and he's even more broken then I previously thought. with IE/LW he got a quadra kill by himself basically. The damage is absurd. Ah, I have no idea so I'm not gonna comment there  | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
Plus new hero concept art: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-sneak-peek-leblanc-deceiver | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:14 Brees wrote: twitch buys a vision ward, kills your vision ward since he has lane dominance, then goes back into stealth and gets 25 gold to boot. you were saying? i blow him away with my ult and kill his sight ward first. then i tell karthus to ult and shaco to gank and we win. we're entering the realm of the purely hypothetical and irrelevant. we're both right and we're both wrong. thank you for your explanation, but i remain respectfully unconvinced. you are probably right but in my head i just can't follow this build \o/ | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:16 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not saying triple d-blade is bad always. i think it's the right move when you're down or even. it's just when you're already ahead that i feel like you are pissing away an advantage by building a subpar build I'm much more afraid of a hero with 3 D-Blades and a BF Sword than one with one D-Blade and an BF Sword and whichever other item they chose. It's pretty simple. One of them has 250ish more HP and 8% more lifesteal, making them less likely to show up with sub100% hp, the other one will do slightly more damage but explodes to nukers. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:15 Southlight wrote: He was talking about Ashe, not Kog, L. My bad. Edit: Noop, wasn't my bad. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On October 27 2010 04:16 Brees wrote: i was talking about both actually, a lilac showed me just how bad BR on kog'maw is and he's even more broken then I previously thought. with IE/LW he got a quadra kill by himself basically. The damage is absurd. yea, this more or less makes infinity sense. Easy enough to just diversify your damage, so why the fuck not? lol. Like seriously, have you ever seen what a I.E. + BR Carry does? Well, Kog does that with just I.E. because he has a built in BR. Oh and now we can get that stupid armor pen even quicker. lol, goddamn that's so fucking simple I'm mad I never decided to just do that :p. | ||
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