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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On October 27 2010 01:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: On Garen you want as much HP as possible because his base MR/armor is silly due to Courage. Go merc -> double sunfire -> GA or Banshee's and you're set. I much prefer FoN over GA/Banshee in that slot. GA is fairly mediocre given its new mechanics and the new revive/judgement counter-synergy. Banshee dissuades people from CCing your beefiest mofo tank and is normally down if the opposing team has any pokes anyways. FoN, by contrast, lets you soak up pokes without getting substantially down in health and lets you run RILL FAST, which is pretty awesome. FoN also lets you be a bro and tank towers or baron and not get skullfucked in a team fight which is precipitated by said tower/baroning. You can top up the last slot with atmas or randuin or whatever. On October 27 2010 02:32 Brees wrote: why you would do any build besides triple D blade into IE/LW on any ranged carry is beyond me, too strong to pass up. Hell people even build that on kog'maw. 3 dblade -> BR -> Malady seems to be the proper kogmaw version. Dunno why you'd get IE/LW on kog. Makes you a bad version of trist. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
New Mogs is worth getting on people who need only health and can farm a 3k item with no problems. I'm not sure who it's worth getting on - Mundo, possibly (may delay damage, armor and SV too much), but not many heroes need pure HP and regen. Health: 1110 gold -> 430 health (giant belt) Regen: 435 gold -> 15 hp5 (regrowth pendant) +920 Health +30 Health Regen per 5 sec Passive: Permanently gain 4.5 Health and .15 Health Regen per 5 sec per minion kill. Champion kills grant 45 Health and 1.5 Health Regen per 5 sec. Bonuses cap at +450 Health, and +15 Health Regen per 5. Right off the bat it gives you 2375 gold worth of HP - that's the important part. You're sinking 625 gold right away, minus however much 30 hp5 is worth to you. It pays off in pure hp terms after you get 242 health, or about 60 minion kills. Champion kills count for 10 minion kills, so if you can ks a few people you'll fill it faster. The problem is still how big of an investment it is early on. Mejai's, Tear, and other "buy now benefit later" items tend to cost around 1-2k gold. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
in fact there's nothing more infuriating when i'm playing a tank and our trist gets FB and 2 more kills during laning and i look 10 minutes later and she's got 4 d-blades and zerkers... way to completely throw away any advantage we earned early, while their twitch has been silently farming a BF sword so he's actually relevant | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 27 2010 02:25 Mogwai wrote: stinger sounds awful in this. Is the CDR really worth losing the ability to make a LW/Starks/BR if the game drags out? When I saw this build I just facepalmed. I am surprised so many people are actually thinking it's not that bad. Yeah, IE can be nice on Ashe, CDR can be nice on Ashe, Atma's can be nice on Ashe. But not if you just randomly throw some stuff together. Stinger is rubbish in that build and probably didn't even get him to 40 CDR. Even then it would suck because 40 CDR only makes sense if you build towards Volley. Which means that you want lots of AD/APen. However then Phage makes no sense (it also isn't applied by Volley), and Zerkers even less. Then let's assume he focuses on autoattack damage. Now Phage is retarded (once again). The synergy with Atmas is ignorable and you really want MRes, ideally a Veil instead of the HP. Phage, or even Mallet, doesn't give any crit or ASpd which is what you need once you have IE. Who is going to get away from Q + Red Buff (which you WILL hog as autoattacking Ashe)? Neither Bruta nor Stinger are good items in this case, but at least ok-ish except that LW is a much better choice for both ASpd and APen. And CDR is useless on DPS Ashe. On October 27 2010 02:32 Brees wrote: why you would do any build besides triple D blade into IE/LW on any ranged carry is beyond me, too strong to pass up. Hell people even build that on kog'maw. Let me "quote" L: On October 27 2010 03:10 L wrote: 3 dblade -> | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: 3 d-blade delays your core items so much... such a waste unless you're behind in cs/kills or if your opponent is building them too imo imo imo in fact there's nothing more infuriating when i'm playing a tank and our trist gets FB and 2 more kills during laning and i look 10 minutes later and she's got 4 d-blades and zerkers... way to completely throw away any advantage we earned early, while their twitch has been silently farming a BF sword so he's actually relevant triple dblade is a really good way to hold on to your advantage, those extra dblades means you're getting BF at a stable rate, rather than 'silently farming' and hoping every1 ignores you, which the higher you go, the less they'll let you do that. Even so, theoretically the trist should still get a bf at a similar timing as twitch, except that she'll have 3 dblades as well, so you're still ahead. on the other hand, if you're building for mbr, i dont think 3 dblades is quite as necessary since the buildup is easier imo, and allows for better defensive items before its completion compared to rushing that bf (you really should'nt try to do something stupid with pickaxe or cloak before bf if you're getting i.e.), so its more forgiving in that respect. edit: @ spines, i assume wicked = wickd who occasionally streams on clg's stream? if it does, i dont really have much respect for him as a player, every time i see him play i feel like even i could do better. could just be i havn't seen him play his 'mains' tho, idk | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:31 spinesheath wrote: When I saw this build I just facepalmed. I am surprised so many people are actually thinking it's not that bad. Yeah, IE can be nice on Ashe, CDR can be nice on Ashe, Atma's can be nice on Ashe. But not if you just randomly throw some stuff together. Stinger is rubbish in that build and probably didn't even get him to 40 CDR. Even then it would suck because 40 CDR only makes sense if you build towards Volley. Which means that you want lots of AD/APen. However then Phage makes no sense (it also isn't applied by Volley), and Zerkers even less. Then let's assume he focuses on autoattack damage. Now Phage is retarded (once again). The synergy with Atmas is ignorable and you really want MRes, ideally a Veil instead of the HP. Phage, or even Mallet, doesn't give any crit or ASpd which is what you need once you have IE. Who is going to get away from Q + Red Buff (which you WILL hog as autoattacking Ashe)? Neither Bruta nor Stinger are good items in this case, but at least ok-ish except that LW is a much better choice for both ASpd and APen. And CDR is useless on DPS Ashe. Let me "quote" L: except thats not the proper build lol, its your build. there is no proper build. and How that makes you a bad version of trist I have no idea, wasnt aware trist had an AOE slow that didnt require you to jump in the middle of a team and a long range poke and a percentage of damage to go along with her autoattack, man i sure am dumb. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:10 Haemonculus wrote: WOW sorry guys Verizon turned the cable off to our whole block... FML over to orb's house to steal internet lol how lucky is he, eh eh ? | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:11 Tooplark wrote: The problem with old Mogs was how much of the value was in the hp regen - you had to be someone that a) could farm well early on, b) didn't have other, higher-priority items to buy first, c) heavily valued hp AND hp regen, and d) could continue to farm later on to make up for the investment. New Mogs is worth getting on people who need only health and can farm a 3k item with no problems. I'm not sure who it's worth getting on - Mundo, possibly (may delay damage, armor and SV too much), but not many heroes need pure HP and regen. Health: 1110 gold -> 430 health (giant belt) Regen: 435 gold -> 15 hp5 (regrowth pendant) +920 Health +30 Health Regen per 5 sec Passive: Permanently gain 4.5 Health and .15 Health Regen per 5 sec per minion kill. Champion kills grant 45 Health and 1.5 Health Regen per 5 sec. Bonuses cap at +450 Health, and +15 Health Regen per 5. Right off the bat it gives you 2375 gold worth of HP - that's the important part. You're sinking 625 gold right away, minus however much 30 hp5 is worth to you. It pays off in pure hp terms after you get 242 health, or about 60 minion kills. Champion kills count for 10 minion kills, so if you can ks a few people you'll fill it faster. The problem is still how big of an investment it is early on. Mejai's, Tear, and other "buy now benefit later" items tend to cost around 1-2k gold. May be good on Garen, possibly Vlad though I still imagine other items being better. Mundo gets a lot of benefit out of a higher health pool from his ult and passive but I still think he would be better off spending that money elsewhere. I mean you need 100 creep kills (minus 10 per champion kill) to max it out which is not really that bad so I guess it's alright. Someone mentioned getting it on sivir, I imagine Warmogs -> Atmas wouldn't be bad though that's like 5.5k gold right there. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:37 Brees wrote: except thats not the proper build lol, its your build. there is no proper build. and How that makes you a bad version of trist I have no idea, wasnt aware trist had an AOE slow that didnt require you to jump in the middle of a team and a long range poke and a percentage of damage to go along with her autoattack, man i sure am dumb. Oh look you listed all the stuff that my build abuses (except for that last one, not even sure what you mean, her passive? It's once per battle, so... I lose half an autoattack worth of damage by not rushing IE?). IE LW however relies on autoattacks. Trist's range and free attack speed are much better for autoattacking than Ashe's skills. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:32 barbsq wrote: triple dblade is a really good way to hold on to your advantage, those extra dblades means you're getting BF at a stable rate, rather than 'silently farming' and hoping every1 ignores you, which the higher you go, the less they'll let you do that. Even so, theoretically the trist should still get a bf at a similar timing as twitch, except that she'll have 3 dblades as well, so you're still ahead. i disagree. when i'm playing galio i usually get great farm. if i head back to base with 2.8k on my first B, i'm going to go straight for banshee's. if, however, i'm getting zoned and i go back to base with 1400 gold and my team is getting wrecked, i might not make it to 2800 gold at all. so i've got to make do with what i have, and maybe grab a spirit visage. it'll give me cheaper stats that just MIGHT let me hold on until late-game. in my galio build i eventually want soul shroud. so there's 3 ruby gems i'll need at least (with banshee). so if i am dominating lane and come back with all that gold, i think you'd agree that it wouldn't make sense to buy 3 doran's rings and a ruby crystal. yeah, i need HP and mana regen, but those are sort of secondary stats on galio. what i really want is armor/mres coz i'm a tank, especially MR cause i'm a caster-tank and MR boosts my AP similarly, if trist goes back to base with 2000 gold from FB and good laning, it just doesn't make sense to me for her to spend her money on secondary stats. yeah, trist needs HP and lifesteal, i get that. when you're down and only have 850 gold, i can see playing scrappy and hoping to hold on with an extra 240 HP and some lifesteal. but when you're up, you know you've got an gold advantage, so you need to turn that into a item advantage. buy the BF sword or the last whisper instead. take a mirror matchup with two trists going back to base at the same time, one of which got FB and dominated lane, and has 2200 gold, and the other only has 1400 gold. the one that's down buys 3-dblades and some HP pots. the one that's up buys 3-dblades and zerkers and some HP pots. they return to lane and lo-and-behold, they're almost completely evenly matched! with some smart play, the trist that was down can take advantage of the better trist pissing away her money on equivalent items and take an advantage herself. i just don't see why you wouldn't capitalize on every advantage you have. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:45 spinesheath wrote: Oh look you listed all the stuff that my build abuses (except for that last one, not even sure what you mean, her passive? It's once per battle, so...). IE LW however relies on autoattacks. Trist's range and free attack speed are much better for autoattacking than Ashe's skills. Firstly, again trist doesnt have 40% slow on hit, why wouldnt you attack with that? 2nd br malady doesnt scale with volley at all? I mean you say you dont wanna auto attack but you build malady and BR... Maybe I am dumb but you sir doesnt make any sense to me.- | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
for the record, Rylais > Frozen Mallet because the AP increases the % of health from BAB and improves your other skills. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:46 HazMat wrote: ...Why not get last whisper for volley apen? Because GB/B just seems to beat it. Since I have 27-31 APen already, the flat APen and CDR yield much more Volley DPS than LW. LW is now part of my build, and strangely enough I get it after getting 66 flat APen. Sounds inefficient, but somehow it is one of the best items to follow GB/B up with. On October 27 2010 03:47 Iplaythings wrote: Firstly, again trist doesnt have 40% slow on hit, why wouldnt you attack with that? 2nd br malady doesnt scale with volley at all? I mean you say you dont wanna auto attack but you build malady and BR... Maybe I am dumb but you sir doesnt make any sense to me.- Wat? I put GB and B instead of BR and Malady. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Ashe is a ranged carry - you take her instead of Trist/etc. because of ECA. This game isn't a vacuum. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:56 Southlight wrote: 3 dblades is the norm for carries these days at high elo. Ashe is a ranged carry - you take her instead of Trist/etc. because of ECA. This game isn't a vacuum. southlight to the rescue before I get a headache from this thread as usual, i really need to stop posting here | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:58 Brees wrote: southlight to the rescue before I get a headache from this thread as usual, i really need to stop posting here Who is he agreeing with though? 40% CDR sounds great if you pick her because of ECA, doesn't it? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 27 2010 03:56 Southlight wrote: 3 dblades is the norm for carries these days at high elo. yeah it's one of those FotM things that makes no sense | ||
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