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byFd
Germany620 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 21 2010 22:49 Insanious wrote: Um... if I open FoN on Mord, its because I'm laneing vs casters (like a veigar + morg lane or something stupid). Where armor isn't going to help me. Or 1v1 vs annie, w/e. The casters will cast on me because, um, i dunno I'm the only one in their lane for them to attack? Then after that, I get Armor and then HP so when we team fight I don't fold like paper. Getting an Omen usually... its very rarely that laneing phase ends and I don't have FoN + Omen... The whole point to my post, is that when laneing vs casters, FoN is a viable opener as you will be able to farm enough to get armor + health to deal with those pesky carries. You don't open FoN first vs say 1v1 trist, or vs garen + tyrn... then you open chainmail -> omen. Again, Chainmail > Health early for Mord for the same reason FoN > Health early vs casters. Everything is situational. woosh...your talking about maybe 10-15 minutes into the game, hardly laning anymore. this post makes no sense to me. i specifically brought up teamfights so this post is like double wtf for me. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On October 21 2010 23:40 Jazriel wrote: No preceding argument? If the only logic you can understand is simple logic, then you are correct. I apologize for assuming you're smarter than the average idiot. I'll make it simpler for you. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU SAID. THIS IS SOMETHING I SAID. DODGE CAN BE UNDERSTOOD TO BE A PERCENTAGE BASED EHP MODIFIER. DODGE ONLY PROCS AGAINST AUTO-ATTACKS. AUTO-ATTACKS ARE ONLY PHYSICAL DAMAGE. THERE ARE THREE SOURCES OF DAMAGE IN THIS GAME; PHYSICAL, MAGICAL, & TRUE. SINCE DODGE INCREASES YOUR EHP AGAINST ONLY 1 OF THE DAMAGE TYPES IN THIS GAME, YOU NEED SOMETHING OTHER THAN DODGE TO INCREASE YOUR OVERALL EHP. (Oh god, that's implying that the enemy team has at least 1 member on their team who deals a different kind of damage. Do I really need to explain the logic behind this assumption?) REFER TO STATEMENT YOU SAID: "dodge is useless against mages" MAGES DO MAGICAL DAMAGE. DODGE INCREASES EHP AGAINST PHYSICAL DAMAGE. THEREFORE, TO INCREASE EHP AGAINST MAGES YOU WOULD NEED AN ITEM WITH MAGIC RESISTANCE. THE ENTIRE POINT OF DODGE IS TO NOT WORK AGAINST MAGES. THEREFORE, IF YOU USE DODGE RUNES, YOU WOULD NEED TO INCORPORATE MAGIC RES INTO YOUR BUILD. THIS IS A TAUTOLOGY. BECAUSE FORCE OF NATURE EXISTS, YOU CAN USE IT. THIS IS AN AXIOM. DODGE SEALS EXIST AND CAN BE USED. GIVEN THE ASSUMPTION THAT ONE IS USING DODGE SEALS, THE EXISTENCE OF FORCE OF NATURE AUTOMATICALLY IMPLIES THAT IT (or a substitute magic res item, I use FoN as my example because it's the single highest source of MRes) WILL BE USED TO ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVE OF INCREASING YOUR OVERALL EHP. ERGO, FORCE OF NATURE. Oh my god, so many assumptions. The sad part is is that because you didn't understand my post to begin with, you probably won't understand this post. Some people just don't get logic. Okay I can't argue with you, you're right dodge seals are good because casters exist therefore force of nature exists. Good point. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
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Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
On October 22 2010 00:17 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Okay I can't argue with you, you're right dodge seals are good because casters exist therefore force of nature exists. Good point. When did I say Dodge Seals were good? If you're going to strawman me, at least put some effort into it. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
1790 HP 75/30 base armor/MR With full dodge Seals 3343.93 effective HP vs physical damage With flat armor Seals 3359.65 effective HP vs physical damage | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On October 22 2010 00:31 Southlight wrote: Level 18 Ezreal 1790 HP 75/30 base armor/MR With full dodge Seals 3343.93 effective HP vs physical damage With flat armor Seals 3359.65 effective HP vs physical damage and blocks damage from physical skills! ^_^ | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On October 22 2010 00:01 Brees wrote: woosh...your talking about maybe 10-15 minutes into the game, hardly laning anymore. this post makes no sense to me. i specifically brought up teamfights so this post is like double wtf for me. Where did you specifically bring up teamfights? Not in the post where I quoted where you wondered why people rush FoN on champions. FoN rush is to dominate a lane with mages in it (you take very little damage once you get a FoN. Then MR and HP5 are great stats on Mord, its an item you get on him anyway, even vs mostly physical teams later in the game. You change your build order to counter the lane you are in. I mean if you really want it... you can get a FoN by the time you hit lvl 6-7. (Still during laneing) and you can probably squeeze out a chainmail + boots by the end of laneing. So when you get into a team fight your 1k eHP on your shield, that constantly replenishes due to your spell spam has you taking 0 dmg during the AoE shit storm at the start of the fight, and very little damage if you lost the team fight and end up 1v2'ing or 1v3'ing which mord can do at the early parts of the game with the right armor and mr... Mord is my fav char, and trust me, rushing omen vs casters gets you killed... and FoN is something you will want anyway so you can spam your skills without worrying about killing your self (like siphon at lvl 5 with no regen pendant  bad times) (btw for those that don't know, mord + doran's shield will out regen your lvl1 Q + lvl1 W + lvl 2 E, but when you hit lvl 3 E your regen isn't enough and you start killing your self, which is not fun at all) | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 22 2010 00:34 Insanious wrote: Where did you specifically bring up teamfights? Not in the post where I quoted where you wondered why people rush FoN on champions. FoN rush is to dominate a lane with mages in it (you take very little damage once you get a FoN. Then MR and HP5 are great stats on Mord, its an item you get on him anyway, even vs mostly physical teams later in the game. You change your build order to counter the lane you are in. I mean if you really want it... you can get a FoN by the time you hit lvl 6-7. (Still during laneing) and you can probably squeeze out a chainmail + boots by the end of laneing. So when you get into a team fight your 1k eHP on your shield, that constantly replenishes due to your spell spam has you taking 0 dmg during the AoE shit storm at the start of the fight, and very little damage if you lost the team fight and end up 1v2'ing or 1v3'ing which mord can do at the early parts of the game with the right armor and mr... Mord is my fav char, and trust me, rushing omen vs casters gets you killed... and FoN is something you will want anyway so you can spam your skills without worrying about killing your self (like siphon at lvl 5 with no regen pendant bad times) (btw for those that don't know, mord + doran's shield will out regen your lvl1 Q + lvl1 W + lvl 2 E, but when you hit lvl 3 E your regen isn't enough and you start killing your self, which is not fun at all)well the post you quoted specifically deals with teamfights. My first post is lol'ing at people that get FoN as their first item since its more of a lategame item then early. "FoN rush is to dominate a lane with mages in it (you take very little damage once you get a FoN." Any mage sans veigar should hopefully be ganking at this point or it pretty much defeats the purpose of playing a mage. If you want to just chill in lane vs morde until lvl 13 then play a physical carry anyway and I in no way advocate rushing an omen, as thats also a lategame item(scales with armor/mr) As i stated my personal preference would be spirit visage/haunting guise over FoN as my first purchases. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
My main question is why it took until me for someone to bring up these numbers. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
Nimbleness is nice, the avoid-last-hit is nice, but aside from a handful of a heroes that can abuse Dodge (Udyr, Jax, Nidalee, and maybe some others) I don't think it's particularly good for actually living against physical DPS. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
he just hits with imba long range attack + surikens + W active. I should know, I've been playing kennen since 3:30 AM last night, so sit down, shut up and take notes, this stuff I'm giving you is gold. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
what exactly is Sivir good at other than lane pushing? Is she in any way a decent fighter? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
also Shake, the answer to your question is what spiderland said. i play with caller and BEAR a lot but not every game. i usually just go in LiquidParty and spam "I NEED 5 BRAVE MEN" until i've got people in my game and then i carry everyone on galio's broad shoulders. it doesn't hurt that spudboy and snowster and other non-bads play with me every once in a while too  | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On October 22 2010 01:10 gtrsrs wrote: wow jazriel, howmad? also Shake, the answer to your question is what spiderland said. i play with caller and BEAR a lot but not every game. i usually just go in LiquidParty and spam "I NEED 5 BRAVE MEN" until i've got people in my game and then i carry everyone on galio's broad shoulders. it doesn't hurt that spudboy and snowster and other non-bads play with me every once in a while too I am sending you a bill for the 2 games that I carried you in. 50cents please. I'm cheap. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On October 22 2010 01:10 gtrsrs wrote: wow jazriel, howmad? also Shake, the answer to your question is what spiderland said. i play with caller and BEAR a lot but not every game. i usually just go in LiquidParty and spam "I NEED 5 BRAVE MEN" until i've got people in my game and then i carry everyone on galio's broad shoulders. it doesn't hurt that spudboy and snowster and other non-bads play with me every once in a while too Except when I play kayle and the other team doesnt recognize your existance. Zing! | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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The shield is basically like 140 -> 650 quickly regening HP. This is why Resistance items > health items on mord. 
