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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 21 2010 05:18 GMT
#25761
What's the range on Lux's ult? o.O; I thought it wasn't a global thingy...?

I was playing just now jungling and taking golem... minding my own business... and then BAM LOL READING RAINBOW all over my golem and stole my buff....

so bm
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
October 21 2010 05:37 GMT
#25762
On October 21 2010 14:18 Haemonculus wrote:
What's the range on Lux's ult? o.O; I thought it wasn't a global thingy...?

I was playing just now jungling and taking golem... minding my own business... and then BAM LOL READING RAINBOW all over my golem and stole my buff....

so bm


LOL i do that all the time, its range is pretty long, about from spawn to inhib, does very high dmg and super spammable, makes it perfect for buff sniping.

@ waveofshadow, im no longer sold 100% on lw either. Its kind of a last item when you're dealing with super tanky folks. It doesnt really help out against killing squishies too much, but adds a little punch vs assholes like garen/malphite/rammus/mummy who love stacking armor. Still by no means necessary, but if you've finished core/luxury and want to work on killing their tank, its a decent option. Having it work with q and stack with e (i think, both armor reduction so applied at the same time) is just a pretty sweet bonus.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
October 21 2010 05:43 GMT
#25763
On October 21 2010 13:34 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 13:26 Rice wrote:
has anyone ever won a game in ranked with corki on their team? I honestly dont think its possible.


Corki is pretty solid, you must see some terrible Corkis.

Obviously you're being facetious, but you really think Corki is that bad?


i dont think corki is bad necessarily, perhaps overshadowed. But, the people who actually pick corki(in my experience, still waiting for someone to prove me wrong) certainly are.
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
radmax86
Profile Joined September 2004
United States437 Posts
October 21 2010 06:02 GMT
#25764
I think Corki huge potential, but is very difficult to play at a high level. There is almost no room for error in terms of keeping proper spacing, and you need to be really good at hitting your skill shots.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
October 21 2010 06:32 GMT
#25765
On October 21 2010 14:43 Rice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 13:34 red_ wrote:
On October 21 2010 13:26 Rice wrote:
has anyone ever won a game in ranked with corki on their team? I honestly dont think its possible.


Corki is pretty solid, you must see some terrible Corkis.

Obviously you're being facetious, but you really think Corki is that bad?


i dont think corki is bad necessarily, perhaps overshadowed. But, the people who actually pick corki(in my experience, still waiting for someone to prove me wrong) certainly are.

The only ranged carry that could potentially outdps him is a spray and pray twitch where team is stacked up.
His damage is totally nuts if you let him unload, you HAVE to stack armor or those 80 or so natural armor will go DOWN. Other than that his Q is excellent utillilty and R most of the game does as much as an extra auto attack.
And he scales really, fucking, good with AD.

The bad things about corki is that if youre bad you can be in a teamfight and only hitting with auto attack - which doesnt cut it, at all, his valkyrie wall jumping has a shorter range than it shows so often you use you escape which, if you dont miss it, often is enough but if youre not practiced with him and dont know where you can and cant jump over walls, he is gonna be a frustrating experience which is the reason why he isnt popular imo
In the woods, there lurks..
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 21 2010 06:58 GMT
#25766
Sometimes I hate this game.
18/3/14 on Kass and we lost. I had a 20 stack of Mejai's from the 30 min mark up till the end because our Garen/Jax wouldn't initiate. I would have friggin done it myself if not for the stacks....

Oh well. Back to pubstomping on Urgot.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
October 21 2010 06:58 GMT
#25767
On October 21 2010 15:32 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 14:43 Rice wrote:
On October 21 2010 13:34 red_ wrote:
On October 21 2010 13:26 Rice wrote:
has anyone ever won a game in ranked with corki on their team? I honestly dont think its possible.


Corki is pretty solid, you must see some terrible Corkis.

Obviously you're being facetious, but you really think Corki is that bad?


i dont think corki is bad necessarily, perhaps overshadowed. But, the people who actually pick corki(in my experience, still waiting for someone to prove me wrong) certainly are.

The only ranged carry that could potentially outdps him is a spray and pray twitch where team is stacked up.
His damage is totally nuts if you let him unload, you HAVE to stack armor or those 80 or so natural armor will go DOWN. Other than that his Q is excellent utillilty and R most of the game does as much as an extra auto attack.
And he scales really, fucking, good with AD.

The bad things about corki is that if youre bad you can be in a teamfight and only hitting with auto attack - which doesnt cut it, at all, his valkyrie wall jumping has a shorter range than it shows so often you use you escape which, if you dont miss it, often is enough but if youre not practiced with him and dont know where you can and cant jump over walls, he is gonna be a frustrating experience which is the reason why he isnt popular imo


I don't think armor shuts down corki at all.... I personally think Corki is just one that demands the cc + burst damage, since if you stack armor corki will just rip through it by purchasing black cleaver/starks, which is pretty hilarious dps
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-21 07:33:49
October 21 2010 07:08 GMT
#25768
yo mogwai
come at be bruh
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 21 2010 07:39 GMT
#25769
On October 21 2010 13:14 Jazriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 12:58 oberon wrote:
You'll actually get the most survivability with a combination of dodge, HP, MR, and armor. In fact, you the optimal resource investment is to have the same total value in all multiplied stats. I can provide the proof of this if anyone cares (I think I mentioned it a while back while discussing changes in CC/positioning over time in the LoL metagame).



Proof please. I always enjoy a good read.

As for ZERG_RUSSIAN, I think you missed the entire point of my post. Oh well, subtlety doesn't show itself well over the internet.

I was trying to point out that Dodge is equivalent to Armor, in that it is something you seek if you are dealing with a heavy auto-attacking team. You said that Dodge loses to casters. Casters can be handled with MRes.

Ergo, FoN exists, ergo dodge isn't garbage USING THE PREMISE OF "Casters are unaffected by your dodge chance."


I'll accept the idea that Veil is the best MRes item, but to put FoN 3rd to 6th? I'll have to disagree there. /notimportantsiderant

You can't use "ergo, FoN exists" because there was no preceding argument. Come back when you learn basic logic and I'll teach you why you can't prove something is good by stating a reason it's bad.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 21 2010 07:41 GMT
#25770
Also yeah I did miss the whole point of your post, we were like "here are a bunch of reasons dodge RUNES aren't good" and you were like "but Force of Nature!"
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
October 21 2010 07:50 GMT
#25771
I'm convinced he is just a troll.

THOROUGHLY CONVINCED.
How many times does he argue for the sake of arguing?
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
October 21 2010 07:56 GMT
#25772
I think he's just taking "Dodge is equivalent to Armor" as a fact when it isn't. he's like saying water = gatorade, they both solve thirst.

You know how you said it deals with random numbers which makes it worse (than armor), he totally ignored that and only responded to the part that said it doesn't work against magic.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
October 21 2010 07:57 GMT
#25773
On October 21 2010 14:02 Insanious wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 21 2010 13:14 Jazriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 12:58 oberon wrote:
You'll actually get the most survivability with a combination of dodge, HP, MR, and armor. In fact, you the optimal resource investment is to have the same total value in all multiplied stats. I can provide the proof of this if anyone cares (I think I mentioned it a while back while discussing changes in CC/positioning over time in the LoL metagame).



Proof please. I always enjoy a good read.


Take Made up Champion X:

Champion X's Base starts are:

1000HP
100Armor
100MR

This means that Champion X's eHPs are:

1000(HP)*2(Armor) = 2000 eHP vs Physical

1000(HP)*2(MR) = 2000 eHP vs Magic Damage

Now, Champion X is at the shop and wants to get some more defensive items. Looking in the shop, Champion X see's three very economical options:

1) Giants Belt for 1110g you get 430hp

2) Chain Mail for 700g you get 45 armor

3) Negatron Cloak for 740g you get 48MR

Now, look at the bonuses these give to eHP at this time

1) Giants Belt for 1110g you get 430hp = 43% eHP boost vs all types of Damage (+860HP then modified by armor and MR)

2) Chain Mail for 700g you get 45 armor = 22.5% eHP boost vs physical Damage (+450 eHP vs Physical)

3) Negatron Cloak for 740g you get 48MR = 24% eHP boost vs Magic Damage (+480 eHP vs magic)

At this point in time, getting a Giant's Belt is definitly the way to go +43% eHP > 24% > 22.5%

So Champion X buys a giant's belt.

Let's look at Champion X after a few levels now:

2000(HP)*2(Armor) = 4000 eHP vs Physical

2000(HP)*2(MR) = 4000 eHP vs Magic Damage

Now, look at the bonuses these give to eHP with the new stats: (say second time back at shop)

1) Giants Belt for 1110g you get 430hp = 21.5% eHP boost vs all types of Damage (+860 eHP)

2) Chain Mail for 700g you get 45 armor = 22.5% eHP boost vs physical Damage (+900 eHP vs Physical)

3) Negatron Cloak for 740g you get 48MR = 24% eHP boost vs Magic Damage (+960 eHP vs magic)

here, you would buy a Chain Mail and a Negatron Cloak to keep you eHP up as high as possible.

After this, you return to situation 1, where a boost in HP gives a larger bonus then another boost in armor + mr because the new modifier for armor (would be 2.45 instead of 2) would increase the bonus hp to 1053 eHP vs physical, which is greater than 22.5% of 2000 (or 900 eHP). This goes back and forth as you buy items.

Basically the rule of thumb:

If HP item*Armor/MR eHP bonus (basically 1% for every armor/mr you have) > 22.5% then get HP

If HP item*Armor/MR eHP bonus (basically 1% for every armor/mr you have) < 22.5% then get Armor + MR


Unless you are a champion like Warwick who can heal right? In Warwick's case AR or MR would give more eHP?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 21 2010 08:10 GMT
#25774
On October 21 2010 14:18 Haemonculus wrote:
What's the range on Lux's ult? o.O; I thought it wasn't a global thingy...?

I was playing just now jungling and taking golem... minding my own business... and then BAM LOL READING RAINBOW all over my golem and stole my buff....

so bm

Range is 3000, so basically think double the length of MF ult.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-21 08:15:33
October 21 2010 08:14 GMT
#25775
apparently I have a ranked penta kill with Pantheon... wtf? I don't remember this at all, but it says I have one, weird...

you'd think that'd be the sort of thing I'd remember...

sob stories are stupid. Someone can always one up you. I carried with udyr in the high 1300s (woo!, lol, soloQ way more fun when you completely stop caring and learn to love your random button) and went 11/0/15 while the team score was like 32/48... then I died once trying to save an inhibitor 1v3 and we lost. i'm sure there's worse, I'm just saying "herpdederp, I was XX/X/XX and I lost!" doesn't really get you anywhere. let it go, feel good about how you played if you actually played well and think about how to improve if you didn't.

also, my kennen is so pro at countering panth. I roll my face on the keyboard and everything and the poor bastard can't do anything about it.
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Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
October 21 2010 08:21 GMT
#25776
On October 21 2010 17:14 Mogwai wrote:
also, my kennen is so pro at countering panth. I roll my face on the keyboard and everything and the poor bastard can't do anything about it.


isn't that how all melee feel against kennen =/
nennx
Profile Joined April 2010
United States310 Posts
October 21 2010 09:06 GMT
#25777
[B]

also, my kennen is so pro at countering panth. I roll my face on the keyboard and everything and the poor bastard can't do anything about it.


any kennen with rylais should counter any melee ^
Sup
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 21 2010 09:31 GMT
#25778
Yep, basically. Love seeing kennen on my team solo vs a garen. It's hilarious. "DEMACIAAA......*stun*" *runs away screaming DEMACIAAA*


"An enemy has been slain."
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
October 21 2010 10:02 GMT
#25779
Mmm...looking to buy my next champ.

I'm looking for a range/caster type of hero that has decent CC / escape mechanism and that can sort of hold his own ground. Dislike the new necro champ, forgot his name. Dislike vlad.

Already played/have purchased: Anivia, Morgana and Tristana.

Any ideas?
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
October 21 2010 10:08 GMT
#25780
kennen
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