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Pocom
New Zealand30 Posts
Also I can't read japanese and my friends told me to click the third button down from the right side after going to http://tenhou.net/0/ , so thats the only one I play. I have no idea what the last paragraph of your post means. I am not sure what any of the other buttons do haha. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ranking/ranking.pl?name=Pocom You played 576 matches on tenhou, that's about 5000 hands. If those yakuman odds did apply for your playing field, then no amount of luck in the world would ever get you that many yakuman hands. I can also see that you've been playing on Shodan rank and below, which would explain why you have time to finish hands that would otherwise be out of reach because your opponents would just win before you. | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ If you click lobbies/games, it translate everything on tenhou pretty much You should try playing in the 1Dan+ Lobby People there are better than the free lobby, and less likely to quit midgame  | ||
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Benawii
United States51 Posts
On March 14 2015 06:08 spinesheath wrote: The chance of getting one of each yakuman except for tenhou and daisuushi is in the range of 10^-20. Give or take a couple of digits. 10^-20? According to the page you link, tsuuiisou for example has 0.008% chance of occurring. That's in the order of 10^-4 isn't it? I think their sample size is too small to accurately capture the probability of the rare yakumans though. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On March 15 2015 05:11 Benawii wrote: Playing to get all types of yakuman is a valid way to play, if that's what you enjoy. Although I have to say you are missing out the strategy depth that riichi mahjong has to offer. 10^-20? According to the page you link, tsuuiisou for example has 0.008% chance of occurring. That's in the order of 10^-4 isn't it? I think their sample size is too small to accurately capture the probability of the rare yakumans though. Not to get one of them, but one of each of them except for tenhou and daisuushi. Also of course I don't know exactly how precise those values are, but I am pretty certain that there are enough games played on tenhou to provide a reasonable sample size if those were the samples. And even if those odds were off by several orders of magnitude, you still wouldn't be able get all but 2 yakuman against a high ranked competition in 5000 hands. | ||
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Rhaegar99
Australia1190 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
 Finally closer to 3 dan than 1 dan again... | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
I think 3s is even more luck oriented though I played one game of sanma, and never again I got 2 Rinshan in one game lol | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
On March 31 2015 06:10 Lucumo wrote: I remember why I stopped playing Mahjong again. I can't deal with too much bad luck (1-1-2-1). Drop tile, get same tile again, three times in one round. Drop dora, because it's not worth it at that point, get dora next draw -> drop it again...2 draws later I get my third dora (one was already out). Fuck this. Same here.... I'm not mentally strong enough to go on. Although I might log on just so I don't lose my account. | ||
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Rhaegar99
Australia1190 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On March 31 2015 10:22 29 fps wrote: Same here.... I'm not mentally strong enough to go on. Although I might log on just so I don't lose my account. Yep, first game first, then fourth because while in riichi I discard one of two tiles another player needed to win (he riichi'ed after me). Lose 16k points because of that. Pretty much game over at this point. Almost got daisangen the next round but the same player ruined it for me because he went for kokushi musou. He even drew the other tile I needed to win to complete at least shousangen but he kept it and discarded a different tile which allowed the player behind him to win. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 01 2015 03:27 Lucumo wrote: Yep, first game first, then fourth because while in riichi I discard one of two tiles another player needed to win (he riichi'ed after me). Lose 16k points because of that. Pretty much game over at this point. Almost got daisangen the next round but the same player ruined it for me because he went for kokushi musou. He even drew the other tile I needed to win to complete at least shousangen but he kept it and discarded a different tile which allowed the player behind him to win. That's part of the appeal. You will lose some matches without much of a chance. But that just means you'll have to be that much better at converting the opportunities you are presented. And at recognizing opportunities. While defending against 3 people. Both by not dealing in and by pressuring them with fast hands. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On April 01 2015 03:45 spinesheath wrote: That's part of the appeal. You will lose some matches without much of a chance. But that just means you'll have to be that much better at converting the opportunities you are presented. And at recognizing opportunities. While defending against 3 people. Both by not dealing in and by pressuring them with fast hands. Nah. For example, I've lost all the games I riichi'ed...not because the opponents were good, they just were lucky not to deal any winning tiles and drawing everything alright. Like, I riichi'ed after the second tile, had 8 outs and did lose because they did whatever, not playing safe at all. Before the last round, I was last at 21500 even though I never lost. I finally won one round then and got first, but still... /edit: Ended day with 6-0-1-3 (last game loss of course) sigh That was the final round. Only 1 out of 6 tiles I needed were even in the game at that moment ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y4dUFcr.png) | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 01 2015 05:33 Lucumo wrote: Nah. For example, I've lost all the games I riichi'ed...not because the opponents were good, they just were lucky not to deal any winning tiles and drawing everything alright. Like, I riichi'ed after the second tile, had 8 outs and did lose because they did whatever, not playing safe at all. Before the last round, I was last at 21500 even though I never lost. I finally won one round then and got first, but still... /edit: Ended day with 6-0-1-3 (last game loss of course) sigh That was the final round. Only 1 out of 6 tiles I needed were even in the game at that moment You place first 60% of your matches and end the day with a disappointed sigh? That's... odd. I've had matches where I didn't deal into any hands and finished the match with a negative score. Being last without dealing in is nothing special. Your opponents aren't lucky just because they don't deal in. At the very least you shouldn't assume that. Always assume that your opponents know what they are doing. They have information you don't have. Also just guessing from your screenshot, your posts and your stats I have the feeling that you're aiming for high value hands and toitsu hands too much. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Imo to climb the dans, you must have a solid pinfu game. Can't really get good at this game by calling everything you can :D. Keep your hand closed, aim for pinfus with doras and some other extra closed yaku if you can. While doing so, you'll learn about multi-sided waits and discard patterns (yours and that of others), and have your attention on defense. Try to aim for 3-sided waits instead of just 2-sided. Try not to riichi everything either, people get really good at betaori in higher ranks if you tell them out loud that you're in tenpai :D I think that if you play conservatively for pinfus and focus your attention on defense, you'll climb the ranks "fast" on Tenhou. A blog that I like about Mahjong, with some cool posts about defense: http://osamuko.com/basic-defense-techniques-in-mahjong/ http://osamuko.com/umaikeiki-defense-guide-betaori-and-suji/ I think I may start to play Tenhou again... But man, can it be frustrating when you get a big streak of bad luck :D Edit: Also one last piece of advice: watch Akagi. Won't teach you how to play, but WILL teach you the awesomeness of mahjong. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On April 02 2015 03:23 spinesheath wrote: You place first 60% of your matches and end the day with a disappointed sigh? That's... odd. I've had matches where I didn't deal into any hands and finished the match with a negative score. Being last without dealing in is nothing special. Your opponents aren't lucky just because they don't deal in. At the very least you shouldn't assume that. Always assume that your opponents know what they are doing. They have information you don't have. Also just guessing from your screenshot, your posts and your stats I have the feeling that you're aiming for high value hands and toitsu hands too much. I'm not aiming for high value hands. I play according to what's best and that usually works. Just finished my second match and placed 2nd twice in a row just because the 2nd overtook me in the last round both times. And it really doesn't seem that way. They just put incredibly dangerous tiles in for no reason (well, to have a good chance at still winning). And the opponents aren't really good. I usually play when there are less than 20 people around (so half the players are dan players). But it's still bothersome to lose against those. /edit: I'm not good but still better than those at least. 1900er or 1800er would probably wreck me. | ||
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