• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:22
CEST 11:22
KST 18:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced52026 GSL Tour plans announced14Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid23
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star Data needed ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group D [ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1187 users

Smash Bros. Melee General Discussion - Page 35

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 188 Next
We have created an irc channel (#tl-smash on Quakenet) for people to find others to play with on Dolphin or just to chat about Smash. Feel free to join!
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
October 19 2013 20:33 GMT
#681
I watched the documentary and as someone that didn't follow the melee esports scene but played a shit ton of the game I really liked it.

What I would criticize about it is how the player empasize worked.

Like with the start, I really thought kdj was the best smash player, but during the documentary it seems like he (and m2 and pc) was really great, is really hyped up, then after a short amount of time they just disappear and are replaced by mango.

But I loved the ken and isai part. It made me really feel for them and even cheer for them (almost 10 years too late)
Chezus
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands427 Posts
October 19 2013 21:40 GMT
#682
Thank you so much for linking the video of the documentary. I would have never discovered it otherwise. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
October 19 2013 22:51 GMT
#683
On October 20 2013 05:33 pPingu wrote:
I watched the documentary and as someone that didn't follow the melee esports scene but played a shit ton of the game I really liked it.

What I would criticize about it is how the player empasize worked.

Like with the start, I really thought kdj was the best smash player, but during the documentary it seems like he (and m2 and pc) was really great, is really hyped up, then after a short amount of time they just disappear and are replaced by mango.

But I loved the ken and isai part. It made me really feel for them and even cheer for them (almost 10 years too late)

Yeah I agree with your thoughts on KDJ. They made him seem amazing, then he ended up not even winning anything? Just being some guy who got good fast...
Surprised they added him as a main "character"
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
October 20 2013 00:04 GMT
#684
Ok, seriously, what is that intro song? It was so good. Also, that was an interesting documentary. I always like learning about who was dominating a scene, etc.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
October 20 2013 00:36 GMT
#685
I went to the Dustbowl Championships today and got my ass kicked. But I had a great time and met some cool people. Maybe now I can start playing with some humans and improve my game.
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
October 20 2013 00:52 GMT
#686
On October 20 2013 04:12 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 02:51 SheaR619 wrote:
On October 19 2013 13:51 Sigrun wrote:
On October 19 2013 04:25 SheaR619 wrote:
On October 19 2013 02:34 AnotherRandom wrote:
So I learned that americans are disrespectful obnoxious hero-haters. The documentary was fantastic and the music and directing was fantastic, but all in all I am just disgusted by how utterly disrespectful the community has been to the top players throughout the history of the game. You have an immature asshole like Mang0 who gets worshipped with "Mango Nation" and then you have people like Ken or Hungry Box who get hated because of their skills or how they apply them. Socialism ftl.


Not trying to be stereotypical but it seem this is just how the fighting game community is. Correct me if I am wrong since I am still fairly new to the fighting game community. I see a similar trend in MvC3 with the whole Chris G. Morrigan+doom. That video really made the spectator of SSBM looks bad while making Ken look like a mentally damaged champion.

This is not just a fighting game community thing, it actually happened in Brood War as well. I remember people hated iloveoov, Savior, and even Flash for no reason other than how dominant they were.


When you are referencing BW, were you talking about the fans in america or the fans in korea being like this? I would assume it just the american audience since asian country try to be more subtle about their opinion right? Or was the asian scene just as bad when voicing their opinion on a champion that has dominated the scene for such a long time.

korean netizen comments are at least 10x worse than the shit redditors say, even during the brood war era


Well that is netizen, so that different and cant really be controlled but in live event where the champion is getting BOO-ED, that rather demoralizing since it is when it matters the most. So in live event, American scene is just worst in general then from what I am seeing.
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
October 20 2013 04:28 GMT
#687
Honestly I enjoyed everyone except Mango. That guy has always acted like an arrogant prick trying to be cool.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 19:25:53
October 20 2013 19:25 GMT
#688
On October 19 2013 23:18 Athos wrote:
I really liked this documentary. I only wish they had a segment on Armada at the end, because I was curious about his background. They just gloss over him being such a dominant force for the last few years.


ohhh yeah I totally agree. They left out how Armada won every major tournament he went to from 2011-Apex 2013 (except Pound V, where he got 2nd and Mango sandbagged)
Writer
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 21 2013 00:15 GMT
#689
Totally forgot about this thread. The documentary is amazing and I'm so glad I donated to make it happen!

I'm an active smasher in Sweden and regularly plays with Armada and the other swedish smashers.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
October 21 2013 23:20 GMT
#690
Ive been looking up stuff about SSB4 and what platforms it will be available on. So far Ive seen Wii U and the 3DS. Will it not be available on the regular Wii?
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 00:09:48
October 22 2013 00:07 GMT
#691
finished watching the documentary, really liked it as somebody who used to watch a lot of smash starting from that first game over to right before MLG dropped it, and then after mango got big. i think they glossed over armada too much, that guy needs his own video too . i also didnt like how they dropped the regional perspective in the later videos
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 06:19:41
October 27 2013 04:54 GMT
#692
Why is Dr. Mario so much more played than regular Mario? I don't like how he looks :/
Also, is it possible to be a consistently top 4 player with a low tier character? I don't think I've ever seen it, and if it has been done before, please enlighten me.

Edit: Project M is a brawl mod to make it more like Melee right?
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
vlaric
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States412 Posts
October 27 2013 07:57 GMT
#693
On October 27 2013 13:54 RagequitBM wrote:
Edit: Project M is a brawl mod to make it more like Melee right?


yup. it's the same idea as the SC2BW map by MavercK in Stacraft 2
Wannabe zerg player
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 27 2013 08:08 GMT
#694
On October 27 2013 13:54 RagequitBM wrote:
Why is Dr. Mario so much more played than regular Mario? I don't like how he looks :/
Also, is it possible to be a consistently top 4 player with a low tier character? I don't think I've ever seen it, and if it has been done before, please enlighten me.

Edit: Project M is a brawl mod to make it more like Melee right?

only in 64 if your name is isai. i havent seen it in melee, dunno about brawl
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
October 27 2013 08:33 GMT
#695
On October 27 2013 17:08 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 13:54 RagequitBM wrote:
Why is Dr. Mario so much more played than regular Mario? I don't like how he looks :/
Also, is it possible to be a consistently top 4 player with a low tier character? I don't think I've ever seen it, and if it has been done before, please enlighten me.

Edit: Project M is a brawl mod to make it more like Melee right?

only in 64 if your name is isai. i havent seen it in melee, dunno about brawl


Pretty much. You will never see a Pichu or Mewtwo place well in competitive play. Even mid tier characters have problems standing out most of the time.

RIP Mewtwo -- you were my favorite character to play.
TL+ Member
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
October 27 2013 12:39 GMT
#696
On October 27 2013 13:54 RagequitBM wrote:
Why is Dr. Mario so much more played than regular Mario? I don't like how he looks :/
Also, is it possible to be a consistently top 4 player with a low tier character? I don't think I've ever seen it, and if it has been done before, please enlighten me.

Edit: Project M is a brawl mod to make it more like Melee right?


I believe it's mostly because of his pill projectile. Also I think he's slightly stronger than regular Mario.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 12:52:46
October 27 2013 12:50 GMT
#697
On October 27 2013 13:54 RagequitBM wrote:
Why is Dr. Mario so much more played than regular Mario? I don't like how he looks :/
Also, is it possible to be a consistently top 4 player with a low tier character? I don't think I've ever seen it, and if it has been done before, please enlighten me.

Edit: Project M is a brawl mod to make it more like Melee right?


What will usually happen is that someone will start playing that character and single handedly move them up a few tiers

I mean, peach and jiggs were for a long time pretty low until ppl started playing them well

I'm sure there are certain characters like spamus which if a top tier player mained them, would probably move up quite a few tiers

The "top" has always been fox falco shiek marth (in no particular order) but tht doesn't stop the fact that a few players just by being really good at one character made ppl contest the tier as always happened in the past - Peach, jiggs, CF, even IC

edit:

lol now i see that jiggs is apparently no 3 over shiek and marth. I pretty much garuantee that's just because there are a few crack jiggs players out there who basically brought her there
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
October 28 2013 00:18 GMT
#698
On October 27 2013 21:50 BrTarolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 13:54 RagequitBM wrote:
Why is Dr. Mario so much more played than regular Mario? I don't like how he looks :/
Also, is it possible to be a consistently top 4 player with a low tier character? I don't think I've ever seen it, and if it has been done before, please enlighten me.

Edit: Project M is a brawl mod to make it more like Melee right?


What will usually happen is that someone will start playing that character and single handedly move them up a few tiers

I mean, peach and jiggs were for a long time pretty low until ppl started playing them well

I'm sure there are certain characters like spamus which if a top tier player mained them, would probably move up quite a few tiers

The "top" has always been fox falco shiek marth (in no particular order) but tht doesn't stop the fact that a few players just by being really good at one character made ppl contest the tier as always happened in the past - Peach, jiggs, CF, even IC

edit:

lol now i see that jiggs is apparently no 3 over shiek and marth. I pretty much garuantee that's just because there are a few crack jiggs players out there who basically brought her there


lolno, that was only the 2010 tier list where everyone was either masturbating to or hating puff because of probably a lot of things but mostly hungrybox vs mango finals. The most recent list has Puff below Marth and Sheik.

Peach and Puff have always been kinda high though, I would say the most examples for a "low" tier moving up are Ice Climbers and Pikachu.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
October 28 2013 13:31 GMT
#699
On October 27 2013 16:57 vlaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 13:54 RagequitBM wrote:
Edit: Project M is a brawl mod to make it more like Melee right?


yup. it's the same idea as the SC2BW map by MavercK in Stacraft 2


Only if that map contains the new SC2 units as well tweaked to BW specs.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-28 17:51:02
October 28 2013 17:50 GMT
#700
yeah if we continue the sc2bw analogy then it'd mean goons gols and scourge would have even their shitty AI programmed back in
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 188 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
08:00
2026 Season 1: Qualifiers
IntoTheiNu 252
CranKy Ducklings SOOP30
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 152
StarCraft: Brood War
Jaedong 2731
Flash 2707
Mini 292
Tasteless 273
Hyuk 244
Larva 171
Aegong 111
ToSsGirL 88
Sharp 66
ggaemo 59
[ Show more ]
Shine 44
Pusan 20
Bale 20
Sacsri 5
Noble 4
Dota 2
XaKoH 462
ODPixel131
NeuroSwarm103
XcaliburYe74
League of Legends
JimRising 487
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2316
allub241
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King149
Other Games
summit1g7294
singsing1265
ceh9583
KnowMe155
crisheroes152
Trikslyr117
Livibee38
QueenE25
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream6011
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream2772
Other Games
gamesdonequick538
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 29
• Adnapsc2 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 16
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade802
• Stunt744
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
38m
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1h 38m
herO vs Classic
SHIN vs Cure
Solar vs Percival
RSL Revival
1d
Replay Cast
1d 14h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
Gerald vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
ByuN vs TBD
Rogue vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Escore
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Universe Titan Cup
4 days
Rogue vs Percival
Ladder Legends
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Ladder Legends
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-20
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.