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Before we released God of the Battlefield: Part 1, we wondered if it was a wise decision. While no one could question the quality of the article Ver had written, we had to consider the risk of glorifying one of the most loathsome individuals in e-Sports history by releasing an article focused on only his positive aspects.

Thankfully, most of our readers reacted to Part 1 in an intelligent, discerning manner, and were capable of keeping Savior's in-game brilliance in perspective with his out-of-game crimes. While match-fixing still hurts Brood War to this day, and some shameless Savior apologists remain, we believe the majority of our readers are mature enough to appreciate Ver's work in in an appropriate way.

During 2006-2007, Ma Jae Yoon (aka Savior) was the best Brood War player in the world. Not only did he win multiple championships, but he dominated his opposition in a way that had never been seen for the Zerg race. His play captivated the hearts of countless fans, and even the staunchest critics were forced to admit that he was one of the greatest of all time.

His career began on a sharp decline in March 2007, after a loss to Kim Taek Yong (Bisu) in the MSL Final. Though he would retain the loyalty and support of many fans - and occasionally show them flashes of his past brilliance - he would never challenge for a title again.

In 2010, Savior was implicated in one of the most devastating events in e-Sports history, the pro-gamer match fixing scandal. Nearly a dozen progamers had received bribes to intentionally lose their matches, which were bet upon by a handful of shady parties on illegal e-Sports gambling websites. Korean courts found Savior guilty of being a broker, a middle-man between the gamblers and the bribed progamers, though it is suspected that he may have been more directly involved as well.

Savior was sentenced to one year in prison (this sentence has been suspended for 2 years; sentencing occurred in May 2010). Furthermore, all of the progamers implicated were given life-time competition bans by KeSPA (the governing body for BW e-Sports in Korea). GomTV has stated that the banned players are also barred from competing in their StarCraft II leagues.

Though Savior seriously undermined the institution of e-Sports through his despicable crimes, it is possible to separate his faults as a human being from his accomplishments as a player. Though he was rightfully banned from playing the game that brought him fame and fortune, it is undeniable that he was one of the most brilliant RTS players in history, and that he left a significant, lasting mark on the way the Brood War is played.


- Waxangel

God of the Battlefield: Part 2

Text byVer
Graphics byshiroiusagi
March 27th, 2013 13:20 GMT
  • The Savior of Zerg
  • Basic Ambushing
  • Induced Ambushing
  • Secrets of Sucess


Introduction: How to Change History.

The last balance patch for StarCraft Brood War was in 2001, briefly after the dawn of professional Brood War. Since then, balance has remained entirely in the hands of players and mapmakers. Accidentally or not, Brood War was designed with such depth that even over a decade later, the game is as close to balanced as one can feasibly expect, despite many major evolutions and revolutions.

Players have defined the game's balance by inventing new strategies, reinterpreting units, and improving their overall understanding of their races. However, despite the fact that hundreds, if not thousands, of people have been playing professionally or competitively since 2001, the influence of the average player upon strategy, and thus balance, has been almost nonexistent. The enormous complexity of Brood War completely prevented players outside of the top-tier from creating effective builds or ideas. Even among professional Koreans, only a handful of players from each race have actually contributed. Therefore, for the most part, in the past decade only a select few individuals have been influencing game balance via strategic innovation. Racial balance has not been formed by unit stats or attributes, but through the race containing the most geniuses.

Without question, that race has been Terran. Boxer, Nada, Flash, and most of all, iloveoov, have been crucial in making Terran the most successful race in Brood War history. Other players, such as Midas, Sync, Xellos, Upmagic, and Fantasy, have also provided some useful ideas. Still, for the most part, Terran success has been carried on the shoulders of their four bonjwas. The sheer rate and complexity of their creations have kept Terrans in the driver’s seat for most of the past decade. Just when Protoss or Zerg players figured out a way to stop one Terran build, a completely new one would rise to replace the solved one and present a new problem.

Protoss has also relied mostly upon the efforts of four players to stay afloat. Reach, Nal_rA, Stork, and Bisu have all contributed crucial ideas and plans. Concepts such as anti-vulture pylon walls in PvT may seem commonplace and obvious now, but these concepts were revolutionary half a decade ago when Reach first introduced them. In one notable example, rA and Reach popularized Forge Nexus builds in PvZ. Bisu then took this opening to the next level by introducing a fast corsair, granting Protoss flexibility and reliable information while keeping Zerg guessing.

Yet competitive Zerg players, much like the in-game race itself, are different. They relied on one player to stand out above the rest, and keep a struggling Zerg race competitive in professional Brood War. Others have made some contributions, yes, but overall those contributions were minor in comparison. Savior completely transformed the basic identity of the Zerg race, and thus single-handedly altered the balance of Brood War.

Here's another way of looking at it: back in 2004, July and YellOw, the two best Zerg up to that point, felt strongly enough to publicly speak out on the perceived racial balance and suggest that ZvT needed Blizzard intervention. I bet any SC2 fans reading this are nodding their heads and thinking "this sounds awfully familiar." Yet seven years later, with no balance changes having been made, a similar statement from a top Zerg would incite howls of laughter.


On its own, that statistic is bad enough. However, in reality it is much, much worse. One would think that more professionals playing one race would make for a greater likelihood of finding talented players among that race, right? Thus, all else being equal, the most popular races should do the best.


From inception to 2005, Zerg was the most popular progamer race by far yet still the worst.

So then, what happened post-Savior?


11% of titles versus 53%. An almost incomprehensible shift, and all due to one man Savior.

Savior is the most influential player on the balance of the game by far, and the statistics show it. He was the key that unlocked the overall understanding and theory of Zerg. Once that door was opened, suddenly Zerg users could understand their race and build upon Savior's innovations. But what was that key? Savior's main innovation was the flowing 3 hatch muta -> expand and drone -> lurker -> defiler -> expand -> 4 gas ultra/ling/defiler. But the recipe for Zerg success isn't that simple. Savior didn't just invent a build or two: he invented a totally new way to play a race.

Up until Savior, gamers playing Zerg approached the StarCraft much like the other races did. Zerg players would spend minerals and gas to create an army, then use that army to either attack the opponent or defend themselves while upgrading their economy with additional drones and hatcheries. This approach worked reasonably well in ZvP, but in ZvT it encountered great difficulty. Terran timings were too sharp, their units too cost-efficient, and their mechanics simply unstoppable at times. This intuitive plan to make "focus on economy" and "focus on army" two distinct modes fit well for other races, but it just wasn’t quite enough for Zerg. Lurker/ling or hydra/lurker armies were powerful but even if the Zerg won a battle or two, oftentimes the Terran would win in the end because the Zerg economy simply couldn’t keep up. The inability to produce a large army and drones at the same time prevented Zerg play from being like the other races.

In addition, Zerg armies cannot match Terran armies in terms of raw cost-efficiency. Players such as YellOw and July achieved some level of success with very aggressive, often all-in builds that relied on timing and micro, but as Terrans covered holes in their builds and defense, those aggressive Zerg fell behind and never came back. GoRush briefly eclipsed all competition using an early version of Savior’s build, but in the end he couldn’t maintain his form for long enough to have a serious impact.

In ZvT, the most common Zerg openings up until Savior were with lurkers, usually from 2 hatcheries. Many players made large numbers of zerglings early game to threaten the Terran or to keep themselves safe. Mutalisks were frequently used but they were often delayed. Zerg usually only felt safe getting mutalisks after first obtaining lurkers. Furthermore, mutalisks were used with the mindset of doing damage at all costs. This led to players producing too many mutalisks, and they ended up behind if they couldn’t hurt the Terran enough.

One of the best examples of the pre-Savior mid-lategame that relied upon large, mineral heavy armies is the famous comeback 0-2 to 3-2 OSL semifinal comeback of NaDa against GoRush. GoRush achieved a great lead with his initial armies and won several battles, but as the game lengthened, he began to lose control. GoRush kept banking on winning with each attack, but as Nada tenaciously held on time after time, GoRush didn't know how to transition or improve his position and eventually lost.

Savior saw far before anyone else that it just wasn't worth attempting to improve on the insufficient contemporary paradigm. He discarded all of these ideas and created an entirely new philosophy. If Savior wanted to overcome the barriers his peers faced, he needed to create a flowing game plan that could continually adapt and transition into a superior and more cost efficient army.

Before proceeding, Savior’s main innovation, 3 hatch muta, should first be clarified. To put it simply, it was a series of calculated transitions. Savior's 3 hatch muta was the first build to effectively divide the game into a number of phases which begun and ended at specific timings: for example, the first lurkers hatching would signal the start of a new phase, as would the completion of consume research for defilers. During each phase there was a specific goal: for example, after mutas spawned, the goal was to threaten the Terran, do some damage, make drones, and buy time until lurkers were ready. In order, the phases went as following:
The New Standard: Three Hatchery Mutalisks.

Why was Savior's 3 hatch muta so dominant and long-lasting? To answer that, we must first understand how innovations generally work. The general pattern of innovations is that each one builds on the last, as if adding one more block to a tower. Here's a very brief, simplified history of mechanic Terran evolution in TvP as an example.

The first mech builds started were based around one base play, with players producing off two or even three factories from one base. Players like Boxer then realized that mech compositions were limited in small scale engagements, and opted instead for fast expansion builds off of one factory. These builds allowed Terran to safely establish a strong economic foundation, and then hit a troublesome mid game timing where Protoss had to carefully balance economy, tech, and army to hold off the attack. As Protoss players became more adept at this balancing act, Terran adapted by developing builds that took three bases quickly, and then hit a new mid-late game timing with a well upgraded mech composition while Protoss was still transitioning to their tier 3 tech. That leaves us roughly where we are today, with Terran's core TvP builds focusing on safely taking multiple expansions while gearing up for the late game. Every step of the way was a natural continuation from the previous phase, and that's how almost all other match-ups have progressed, with the exception of ZvT.

It took Savior some time to develop his ZvT style, quietly formulating throughout 2004 and early 2005. By mid-2006, after reacting to various Terran innovations, Savior created the version that we still see today. The key difference to Savior's strategic development of ZvT compared to other match-ups was that it rejected the existing paradigm entirely, and built a new framework from the ground up.

Semi-stacked mutalisk micro existed well before Savior rose to the top. 3 hatch muta existed for a long time before Savior rose to the top. Yet Savior's 3 hatch muta was completely different. Why? The answer lies in the intention of the build and the thought behind it. Before Savior, players generally did not feel comfortable going straight for mutalisks in safety. But Savior did not delay his mutalisks for lurkers; he went straight for them and relied on sunkens to keep himself safe. Not only did he take that supposed ‘risk,’ but he also double expanded immediately after his mutalisks hatched. However, that alone wasn't it. YellOw was doing 3 hatch muta into double expansion in 2002, yet he got nowhere with it. So what exactly was the difference?

In place of a hydra/ling heavy army with lurkers (quite a mineral heavy army) Savior divided his production into two areas: gas heavy mutalisks (100 minerals, 100 gas), then lurkers (125/125), while pouring all his excess minerals into drones. Instead of spending minerals on Zerglings or Hydralisks to secure a better economy, Savior spent all his gas and some minerals on mutalisks and lurkers to secure the economy, then used the majority of his minerals on making drones to upgrade his economy further. Mineral-efficient sunken colonies were used for early game defense instead of a hoard of zerglings. Only after he had maximized his income did Savior begin to make mineral units; by that point, his economy was already in overdrive.

Central to Savior's innovations were two core ideas. The primary one was that nine to eleven mutalisks can be used to secure a window where the Terran cannot move out and must play defensively against the mutalisks to avoid damage. Therefore, this period could be used to maximize drone production. The second idea was that two or three lurkers on top of a ramp could be used to completely defend an expansion at another main before the Terran got multiple vessels/irradiates. However, this defensive system was rigid and vulnerable after that window. In order to safeguard his expansions from drops and irradiates, Savior made sure he got hive quickly enough to get a nydus canal up in time to relocate his defenses to endangered bases.

In Savior's framework of the game, mutalisks were a faked threat. Their goal was simply to threaten, and appear menacing... and then make a plethora of drones behind it (of course, any damage that could be dealt against an unprepared opponent was a welcome bonus). This method was economically completely optimized against the standard 2 rax academy expand and 2 rax gasless expand builds of the time. They were rendered incapable of threatening Zerg and preventing him from droning, nor did they secure their own expansions fast enough to compete with Zerg's burgeoning economy.

Due to his superior understanding of the game, Savior realized that he could get away with expanding and droning right after mutalisks popped. His mutalisk flocks threatened grave damage to Terrans, forcing them to make turrets and stay in their bases. Savior's mutalisk micro may have been atrocious back then, but it didn't matter. Savior realized that he could use his mutalisks better by almost not using them at all. The mutalisks did more damage by simply flying around the Terran base and sniping a unit or two here and there than by actually going in and fighting head on. Savior's threat kept the Terran inside his base, afraid of any potential repercussions should he move out. And while the Terran was all huddled up, scared of what Savior might be doing, Savior was busy expanding and making only drones. Had Savior engaged more directly with his mutalisks like other Zerg before him, he might have done more damage but would lose mutalisks to attrition and thus remove the threat that the full-strength flock represented.

Savior used only 9-11 mutalisks because that was the magic number where the mutalisks became a serious threat that could not be ignored. More mutalisks would waste gas, and also minerals that could be used for drones, without creating a correspondingly greater threat.

Similarly, Savior only made a minimum number of lurkers to conserve resources. For mutalisks, their number was determined by the threat level Savior needed to present. As lurkers were used purely defensively, their quantity depended on what he needed to adequately defend his bases. He discovered that 2-3 lurkers on top of a ramp could effectively hold several dozen marines. Thus, instead of spending on a mobile army to defend his bases, Savior planted a few lurkers to hold the line. Savior’s usage of lurkers, as shown in the picture below, has vastly influenced how map designers create maps. He defined what was necessary for a decent Zerg map: third gas bases only accessible by a single ramp.


These two lurkers prevent a large number of marines from coming near the expansion.

Yes, aggressive mutalisk micro would have eventually came along no matter what Savior did with the second discovery of magic box (no, not the one from StarCraft II) mutalisk stacking in 2006. But without Savior, there would be no economic mutalisk builds that worked solely on the threat of mutalisks. July could micromanage mutalisks rather well in 2004 but the way he reached that point is simply laughable with today's knowledge.

Just consider their different approaches: July's mutalisk micro was far better than Savior's, but July only felt safe after first securing his natural with lurkers even when on 2 hatcheries! Hence his mutalisks were considerably delayed, with so much map control and economy sacrificed to attain them that they became a pseudo all-in choice. Savior on the other hand could not do damage with mutalisks if the Terran built any kind of serious defense, but he didn't have to.

Without the tools and concepts Savior supplied, mutalisk stacking would have simply remained a flashy idea without teeth and a merely a viable way to all-in. It was only his ideas of economic management and the ability to produce mutalisks off of three hatcheries while making only drones that really unlocked Zerg. Savior's two versions of 3 hatch muta that took him to prominence were the first truly optimized and modern builds in StarCraft history, which are still used to this day.

A Lasting Difference.

Yet as brilliant as these ideas were, they was just not enough alone. Defiler based, gas-heavy Zerg armies lacked mobility and couldn’t keep up with the constant barrage of Terran threats. The Terran could force the Zerg to defend his natural, then immediately march over to the third base and crush it while the Zerg was effectively cut off. Savior solved this problem by making nydus canals a necessity instead of a cute trick. With the ability to teleport his army and shield any position on the map, Savior could project a previously inconceivable level of force on opposite ends of the map.

Yet Savior's 3 hatch muta is not just a bunch of small innovations thrown together haphazardly. If any piece of the puzzle didn’t exist, Savior's entire strategy would be void; the whole is clearly greater than the sum of its parts here.

Just consider this: Savior started doing the final form of 3 hatch muta -> lurker -> 3 gas defiler back in the beginning of 2006. Six years later, it was still somehow the most common ZvT strategy. Yes, 2 hatch muta had its heyday between late 2007 to early 2008 and 2009, 'Crazy Zerg' (a variation of Savior's build that discarded lurkers for very fast ultralisks) enjoyed some success in late 2007 and 2009, and 12 pool lair worked well in late 2009. But inevitably, those builds all went out of fashion or were relegated to being trick builds, while 3 hatch muta came back as the standard. I suspect that whether you read this now, or several years from now, Savior's three hatch mutas with his exact transitions and similar timings will still be the main ZvT opening. No other strategy in the game has remained the go-to choice remotely as long as his has.

Note that Savior applied a similar philosophy to ZvP as well. While this article series focuses solely on his ZvT, I just want to note that Savior’s new defensive, gas-focused concepts yielded an 80+% win ratio against the best Protoss players, leading to his ZvP being considered imbalanced for almost two years.

Now some may ask, what about Jaedong? Isn't a large part of modern Zerg dominance due to him? Isn't that earlier graph misleading? Yes, and no. First of all, Jaedong is a direct product of the Savior era. His initial rise to fame came from him understanding Savior's game plans in and out. While a fair share of his success was due to his sublime mutalisk micro and killer instinct with aggressive plays, many of Jaedong's best runs and wins came from Savior-inspired management. Without Savior's ideas, what Jaedong accomplished simply wasn't possible.

More importantly, in the post-Savior era Zerg users have the most even spread of titles by far. All Protoss titles since Savior really influenced the scene have came from Bisu (3), Stork (1), and now Jangbi (2). Terran titles came from Flash (6), Fantasy (1), ForGG (1), and Mind (1). Zerg titles came from Savior (4), Jaedong (5), Chojja (1), GGplay (1), Hydra (1), Effort (1), Calm (1), Luxury (1), GGplay (1), and July (1). Just in the same way as the ideas of Boxer, Nada, and iloveoov propelled a swarm of Terran into high placings back in the pre-Savior era, the direct legacy of Savior's ZvT is ten different Zerg title winners, when before him there were only two. Because of the sheer magnitude of this effect, Brood War history can effectively be divided into two eras, Pre-Savior and Post-Savior. Savior, while not the greatest innovator in sheer number of new creations, has influenced the course of Brood War strategy and balance more than any other.

Now that we understand three-hatch mutalisks—the basic framework Savior created for the Zerg race in ZvT—we can continue with the detailed analysis of Savior's tactics that began in God of the Battlefield: Part 1.




Savior vs Hwasin on Longinus II.

Perhaps the simplest form of ambushing is killing isolated forces. The most common time to do so is when a Terran is sending reinforcements to join a main army already settled in a strong position. The Terran usually does not want to surrender his position in order to link up with the reinforcements and thus leaves the reinforcements vulnerable out of necessity.



Hwasin moves to take the important ground outside of Savior’s natural.


Meanwhile, Savior runs around behind him.

Savior’s maneuver around the side and behind Hwasin’s main army served three purposes. First, it kept Hwasin in the dark. A known location of enemy strength can be scanned and planned against. An unknown enemy hidden in the fog is a constant threat that makes it harder to plan siege timings and unit formations. Second, this maneuver put Savior in an excellent position to envelop Hwasin’s army at a moment's notice. Third, it could prevent any units from reinforcing Hwasin’s army and Hwasin would have little idea of the danger until it was too late.

The FPview is a really great tool for seeing the usefulness of ambushing stray groups like this (unfortunately, the video has been removed since the time of writing). Hwasin's POV shows that he only sees the immediate area around his army and base. The path his units must take, while straightforward, is prone to units appearing from any and all sides, or simply killing from below. At any point his units could be attacked and he would have no chance of saving them. In this instance he reacts reasonably quickly but there is nothing he can do.



Savior’s units surround and kill Hwasin’s paltry reinforcements before Hwasin can react.

Sending reinforcements without sufficient protection like Hwasin did was basically signing their death warrant against Savior, but Hwasin had little choice. At an earlier point in the game he hoarded units in his base for fear of a counterattack and Savior simply stalled, made more units, and killed his isolated army. Hwasin was cutting SCVs and was effectively all-in, needing to give his army the maximum amount of strength possible for one final push. If he took the safe approach and kept his small reinforcements at home until he could send a substantial group together, his main army would be isolated, dead, and the game would be over before they could arrive.

Killing these reinforcements was critical for Savior in winning the upcoming battle, as evidenced by how close the fight would end up being. Had Hwasin successfully been able to link both forces, the game might have remained an uncertain contest. As it was, Savior barely won the battle and thus easily took the game a minute later as Hwasin's all-in didn’t pay off.




Savior vs Nada on Arkanoid

Flanking was not a tactic originally created by Savior. That said, he did standardize flanking. Before Savior, flanking was simply a luxury that was seen as a good idea but rarely done. After Savior began to flank for almost every single major engagement each game, others caught on.

At its core, flanking is a simple act of attacking a force from multiple directions. However, such a description belies the real difficulty in performing a good flank. Not only does the player have to time the attack just right, he also has to maneuver two or more armies entirely separately against one united, mobile army of the foe as well as switch screens in order to micromanage both in battle. In face of such difficulties most Zerg users avoided flanks like the plague and opted instead for head-on, one-dimensional attacks. However, Savior chose to take on difficult and dangerous moves like flanking, mastering them until they were no longer risky, but simply the only smart option to make.

Perhaps the most iconic example of a Savior flank comes from the final moments of his famous Superfight victory against NaDa on Arkanoid. For thirty minutes NaDa had hammered Savior’s forces with never-ending streams of marines and vessels while dropping expansions and preventing Savior from taking a 4th base. Savior tenaciously held on, counterattacked Nada, and finally managed to sneak a hidden 4th base and held onto it while NaDa slowly mined out. At the very end of the game, NaDa still had one last chance at being able to secure a new base by defeating Savior’s army with his still sizable forces. However, NaDa was outmaneuvered and crushed in a rare display of flashiness from the Maestro. Savior didn't even need defilers.



Nada attempts to clear out the upper left and secure a new expansion but is prevented by a fresh Zerg force.


Nada’s army can’t retreat into the middle either, becoming blockaded in the upper left choke.


Hemmed in on both sides, the Terran army is shredded to pieces.



Savior v Nada on Rush Hour 2

One major problem Zerg users have is pursuing a wounded Terran army in order to maximize the advantage of a battlefield victory. Zerg users don't have any issues pushing Terran back with dark swarm, but short of ensnare, a far larger army, or favorable terrain, they simply can't pin a Terran army down. Savior was able to get around this problem by pushing the fleeing vagabonds into waiting lurkers.



Savior drives Nada back with hydra/lurk.


Savior ensures 100% casualties by blocking Nada's retreat.

By placing lurkers along the supply lines, Savior not only ensures Nada's army is not reinforced but also sets up an easy way to finish off wounded enemy units. In this example Nada was so worried about fleeing from Savior's army that he scarcely considered the possibility that lurkers might be blocking his retreat. The great part of this tactic is that it often can utilize lurkers already positioned to block reinforcements.



Savior vs Yooi on Arcadia 2

In a rather peculiar position, Yooi attempts a fast tank push but then sloppily loses his tanks to mutalisks. As a result, he is stuck with a toothless army that can only stand around and look menacing. However, Savior knows he can eventually build a large enough army to tear about his superficial force if he waits long enough, requiring a retreat sooner or later. From Yooi's point of view, he has contained Savior's army inside his base, so naturally he suspects nothing when he retreats from Savior's impending attack. All he needed to do was get home and regroup before Savior's army was large enough to surround his advance force. Thus, Yooi's attention was on protecting his rear, meaning his attention was diverted from the ambushing lurkers that Savior had morphed in the middle of the map as a reserve. These retreat-blocking lurkers quickly made mincemeat of Yooi's forces.



Savior positions hidden lurkers on Yooi’s retreat path.


A third of Yooi's force is shredded by the lurkers.


The lurkers then prevent Yooi's two armies from joining, thus enabling Savior's combined army to slaughter Yooi's isolated forces.

The lurkers here fulfilled two purposes. Naturally, they caught Yooi by surprise and munched on a row of marines. Just as importantly though, they acted as a barrier between Yooi’s now-depleted advance force and his reinforcements. Yooi had to spend several seconds regrouping his units and healing up from lurker damage, and in that period, Savior was able to chomp off Yooi’s remaining units before Yooi’s two armies could link up.



Savior vs Hwasin on Longinus 2

Oftentimes a certain step is needed to unlock the potential to create a tactic. In this game against Hwasin, Savior opened with a drone-heavy two hatchery lurker, against which the Terran can take an aggressive posture and shut down the third base. Savior was taking a grave risk, as he needed to hold his third base with a paltry force of zerglings. Because he made many drones, he did not have the zerglings to challenge Hwasin on the field in order to secure his third.



Savior hides two hydras and morphs them into lurkers in an inconspicuous location. Meanwhile Hwasin prevents a third base at the 9 o’clock expansion.

Had these lurkers not been safely made and hidden, the next parts would not be feasible. It was only because Savior planned well ahead that he had the chance to make this trap work.



Hwasin scouts Savior’s new expansion and sees two lurkers morphing to defend it.

After Hwasin’s scv scouted Savior’s two lurkers morphing at the ramp, he knew that he could march up to at least the ramp of the third base before having to worry about any lurkers. Then he could scan ahead and plan his actions from there. However, his units never made it to the ramp. Savior’s two hidden lurkers were ready.



Hwasin’s marines are suddenly killed by unseen foes.

Hwasin was following the textbook and making all the correct steps. He was simply punished for scouting correctly and moving his forces in an intelligent manner. The only way he could have avoided the lurker ambush was to deliberately take an unnecessarily long march around the south side. However, had he done so he might have let his new army moving north towards the third become isolated (and killed) if Savior decided to make a play. As the game showed, Hwasin’s reinforcements were not enough to deal with Savior’s full army even with a superior position; Savior rescued his third and gained enough momentum to secure the win. With the knowledge Hwasin had, such a proposal would be nonsensical. Had Hwasin not seen any lurkers near the third, he would've had every reason to be suspicious of a trap. However, since Savior showed Hwasin the two morphing lurkers at the ramp Hwasin was lulled into a false sense of security.

The only other alternative for Hwasin would have been to keep his original bionic squad camped outside Savior’s natural while his reinforcements deny the third. However, this move is very risky as Hwasin doesn’t know Savior’s army strength and can’t afford to use scans to check his drone count. If Hwasin leaves his force outside Savior’s natural for more than another thirty seconds or even less, it simply becomes free pickings for Savior’s newly bolstered army. This would have been a better alternative than what happened in the game, but without a map hack such a choice would not be wise. Normally when a player is at a disadvantage it is their fault they are in that predicament. Here, Hwasin ended up behind because he played correctly.



Savior vs iloveoov on Geometry

In a losing position, Savior needed to hinder iloveoov's economy to have some chance at hanging onto the game. With the so-called 'Cheater Terran' having two more bases than other players would, Savior had to do some major economic damage. Unfortunately, all he could spare was a handful of lurkers and zerglings.



Savior runs lings into the expansion. The SCVs naturally scamper away, only taking a few casualties.

Savior’s lings run into the naked expansion but are able to do little damage at first as oov speedily runs marines over to rescue his base while pulling SCVs to safety. However, Savior planned for this eventuality and placed two lurkers at the exit to the base.



oov immediately rushes reinforcements to save his SCVs and retake the expansion. However, they are slaughtered by hungry lurkers waiting at the entrance.

oov reacts in time to save his SCVs from running into the lurkers, but with the lurkers barring the path of any reinforcements, he can do nothing but watch his SCVs die helplessly to the few unrestricted zerglings. Savior is able to kill all but three SCVs before oov can dispatch several tanks to eradicate the pests. For two lurkers and half a dozen lings, Savior netted over a dozen SCV kills, disrupted mining time, and obliterated half a dozen marines in addition to forcing oov to expend extra attention on relocating tanks and vessels. oov seemed to have been aware of the lurkers, but faced with the simultaneous necessity of microing his marines and moving his SCVs, he was not able to save his marines from unnecessary deaths.



A notable aspect of Savior's ambushing is just how many ways he thought of to get the Terran to walk blindly into lurkers.

Early on Savior's tactics were basic and limited. Even though they worked, Terran users quickly caught on and Savior was forced to improvise. Earlier moves that might have decimated an entire army were suddenly avoided or neutralized at low costs. Placing lurkers on the Terran's supply lines now became just a way to slow reinforcements and force extra attention and scans, not a way to get free kills. However, once Savior understood how to induce his foes into ambushes, he came into possession of a versatile weapon that worked again and again without failure. Even Iris, a teammate who clearly was so familiar to Savior's tricky dealings, was still vulnerable to this type of psychological ploy.

Savior vs Iris on Longinus II - Initial
Savior vs Iris on Longinus II - Tactical


In the midst of a large battle, one of Iris' squads meandered into Savior's third base at 9 o'clock and caught Savior off guard. Savior was forced to throw units at his detachment to save whatever economy he could at that crucial expansion.



Iris catches Savior off guard


Savior desperately tries to save his expansion.

Two minutes later, Iris again successfully sneaks a potent bionic force into Savior's third.



This situation once again looks great for Iris. He was able to intercept the lurkers before they blocked his path into the expansion.

Once again Iris sent a detachment to attack Savior's 3rd base and Savior attempted to block it with several lurkers. Unfortunately for Savior, his lurkers arrived just too late and Iris's army was able to get in between them and the target ramp. In this great position, Iris could kill a lurker then retreat up the ramp, thereby both preventing Savior from rescuing his expansion - Savior can't advance lurkers up a ramp against bionic holding the top without moving extremely slowly - while simultaneously having the freedom to kill drones at his leisure. This was a great situation for Iris, and he made sure to exploit it.



Or so he thought...

Ambushes like this are so effective because the Terran becomes so focused on the visible threat that they are completely unprepared for the real danger. Had Savior not hurried Iris into running away up the ramp, Iris would have inevitably scanned up the ramp before going up, thus escaping disaster. Only the exquisite moment of weakness that Savior presented to Iris induced Iris to waltz into a brilliantly planned trap. A foolish viewer might simply blame Iris for being 'stupid' here, but only Savior could first create then take advantage of that 'stupidity.' Iris did not have the time to scan up the ramp and suddenly run away from both lurker groups.

This exact situation developed earlier in the game and Savior had no choice but to lose units and energy to save his precious drones. Even though Iris could not hurt Savior's economy too much, Savior's frantic defense meant Iris traded units very efficiently. Thus, the fact that Savior was going to desperately charge ling-less lurkers at his enemy's second raid iteration meant that Savior had no defense ready at that moment. Therefore, Iris should charge up immediately and take advantage of that golden opportunity...

In the split second Iris had to make that decision it is completely unreasonable to expect him to do anything but what Savior made him do. Once again, because Savior was so adept at ambushing, a Terran user was punished for doing the right move.



Savior vs TheStC on Nemesis

In one of his very few post-Shinhan Masters tactical displays, Savior perfectly sets up this ambush minutes in advance, showing only two deployed lurkers to TheStC initially in their middle skirmish. TheStC, preparing to attack Savior's expansion, believes that Savior is defending with only the two lurkers he saw earlier. He scouts for them with a marine, and Savior reveals the location of his lurkers above the ramp by killing the marine. Thus the TheStC sees perfectly logical and typical situation of 2 lurkers guarding the ramp of the 3rd base, and prepares to attack.



Savior skirmishes with 2 lurkers in the middle. Such a low lurker count can signify a fast hive, meaning that TheStC might have a timing to cripple Savior.



TheStC checks up the ramp and sees the same 2 lurkers shoot at his marine. If he had scanned instead, he would have only seen those 2 as well.

Notice how TheStC initially only walks a portion of his marines on top of the deadly lurker trap. Savior resists the temptation to fire on half the force, instead greedily gambling on getting the entire pack. To facilitate this end he brings over his mutalisks and uses them as a magnet. TheStC stims, trying to catch them, and naturally chases over ground he thinks is safe.



...Except, there were 4 lurkers.


A one-sided massacre results.

This type of hold lurker ambush is probably the flashiest move in Savior's arsenal. But it is just one method out of many to achieve the same objective. The crucial part of all induced ambushes is that the enemy is always shown either a consistent, logical illusion, given sufficient cause to move their units into the waiting lurkers, or preferably, both.



Savior v iloveoov on R-Point (Unfortunately, this video has been removed)



Without the lurker, Savior would win the fight but suffer excessive damage he could not afford.

Ordinarily a bio squad, even a weak one, is overjoyed to fight a horde of mutalisks in a straight up fire fight. Mutalisks simply get shredded if they aren’t properly micromanaged at all times. Thus oov felt no hesitation in stimming his reinforcements and charging forward, possibly believing he caught Savior looking elsewhere. He could not effectively run, and thus it made more sense for him to stim and attack head on than try to retreat and potentially lose marines for nothing. He simply did not fathom that a hold lurker was sitting right there, and with this hidden trump card, Savior shredded oov's now outmatched force for almost no losses in return. The muta/lurker ambush was the winning move, for oov was denied a game-changing group of reinforcements to break Savior's natural.



But with the lurker, the battlefield becomes a slaughterhouse.

The combination of lurkers plus another unit to hold enemies in place is vital for Savior's trap to work correctly. Leftover mutalisks from the initial mutalisk harassment are great for this purpose because they can adequately pursue any wounded infantry that try to run from the lurkers. This example also effectively illustrates how important it is for Zerg players to leave some lurkers behind the Terran army, as they can be deployed in so many useful and unpredictable ways.



Savior vs Casy on Reverse Temple

A devastating plague is one of the most exciting actions in StarCraft. It can wreck entire armies single-handedly and has turned many games around on its own. It has also produced some of the most memorable moments in StarCraft history. However in most cases, the Terran army usually just walks away anti-climatically after being plagued. In many such situations, plague is simply a pretty ornament and useful deterrant as the Zerg just can't often pursue effectively with lurker/ling.



Savior consumes to get plague energy while Casy starts running.

But naturally, Savior would not limit himself to such a reward. His solution? Prepare a hidden lurker on their retreat path. Not surprisingly, blood flew. In this case, Casy even began running at the sight of Savior consuming for a plague.



Random twelve kill lurkers in the middle of nowhere are another one of Savior's trademarks.

This technique simply makes efficient use of the natural Terran reaction to plague: to retreat in the safest manner. Also note how the lurker Savior uses to ambush had been burrowed in that spot for over three minutes. Talk about planning ahead!



Savior vs Sync on Peaks of Baekdu

When up against lurker openings, the general Terran gameplan involves frolicking around the middle, keeping the Zerg on their toes and threatening everywhere. This plan is especially valid on a map with a convoluted layout like the original Peaks of Baekdu, where the Zerg needs to split his units up in many locations. Marines and medics crush small groups of lurkers, allowing the Terran can easily put the Zerg into a position where the Zerg can easily mess up their positioning or distribution and end up behind. Roving bionic forces also can prevent drone transfers and restrict the mobility of the Zerg.

True to form, Savior attempted to turn this paradigm on its head. His game plan began with morphing hidden lurkers in the bottom right, intending to use them to keep Sync reacting to him from the start instead of vice versa. However, Sync showed great sense and spots these lurkers with an SCV, thus forcing Savior to improvise. After spotting the lurkers, Sync immediately sends a squad down to eradicate the pests. However, the lurkers manage to escape with low hp, setting in motion an important sequence of events.



The two wounded lurkers take up an assuming position. Meanwhile Sync’s search party continues northward, looking for any isolated Zerg forces. His main army simultaneously prowls the center, trying to catch any drone transfers or rallies.


With the two lurkers in the rear still waiting, Savior blocks Sync’s path northward, narrowly missing a possible ambush.

Savior attempted to position 4 lurkers at two different spots to get some free shots off on Sync’s eastern force as it advanced northward. However Sync’s marines were just a little too quick and he spotted the lurkers in time.



Savior’s northern lurkers begin to push back Sync’s bionic forces.

Savior actually pushes a little too quickly and Sync mercilessly picks off a lurker. Though at the same time, Sync’s force is slowly forced back close to the hidden lurkers that have waited for over a minute. Until then, Sync had walked the tightrope and had not yet fallen.



Sync’s main army walks into a lurker while he is in the process of moving his east force.

Sync’s main army originally roamed the middle and upper areas of the map trying to intercept units moving between Savior’s isolated base in the upper left and main. After Savior increasingly adopted an aggressive posture on the eastern front, Sync brought back his main army to attempt to cut off Savior’s retreat and envelop the four isolated lurkers. It was a clever attempt at thinning out Savior’s ranks, as Savior did overexpose his four advanced lurkers rather recklessly. However, all of a sudden, the game spirals out of control for Sync.



The eastern force is shredded during the chaos.

Savior had anticipated Sync’s march through the middle and positioned a lurker there to prevent access. This single lurker gave Savior the opportunity to take a huge lead. At the very moment when Sync’s main army walked across that center lurker, Savior’s eastern forces attacked Sync’s eastern platoon. Despite being busy sending his reinforcements over to join his eastern detachment, Sync reacts quickly and puts out both fires at with minimal losses at first. Unfortunately in his snap reaction he pulls his eastern army over the lurkers that have been waiting to ambush for two minutes. The main army loses two marines and his entire eastern force is decimated. Yet the action is not over just yet.



Sync attempts to prevent Savior’s eastern lurkers from joining together and kills one.

With Sync’s eastern force destroyed, Savior attempted to combine his 5 lurkers into one group to avoid being isolated and picked off. In turn, Sync quickly reacted and moves to prevent the junction. He succeeded in killing one lurker, but does not have the time to stop the remaining four from linking up. However, during the engagement, Sync’s reinforcements, over a dozen marines, ran smack into Savior’s waiting lurkers and died without firing a shot.



Sync’s new reinforcements are also killed in the confusion.

This was not a stupid blunder. Sync did not know about those lurkers when he originally sent the reinforcements; he simply thought they were marching on uncontested ground and could safely arrive to bolster his eastern group. In the ten seconds between his eastern detachment dying to the hidden lurkers and the death of his reinforcements, Sync was simply too busy microing and rescuing his beleaguered armies to process the newly discovered positioning of lurkers directly in the path of his reinforcements. In effect, Sync got punished for having the sharpened instinct to know that he could prevent the junction of lurkers and snipe one for free. Had he not done so, he would have been able to realize the impending suicide of his reinforcements.

Overall, this was not a perfectly masterminded ambush: Savior did not lead Sync around like a puppet. Savior simply arranged the odds the best in his favor as he could and Sync got punished for making good moves. The only aspect of this game Savior could completely control was inducing Sync’s eastern squad to retreat into the jaws of his waiting lurkers using his four northern lurkers.

As for the rest, Savior simply positioned his forces at the most optimal locations and reacted appropriately. He had no control over whether Sync brought his main army through the middle or where he sent his reinforcements. Yet by positioning the bare minimum of defenses at his natural and third, he could afford to keep an extra lurker waiting in the middle to reduce Sync’s options. In addition, Savior's two ambush lurkers served the dual purpose of being able to trap Sync’s eastern detachment as well as being able to munch on any unsuspecting reinforcements. On the whole, this series of skirmishes a great example of the value of overloading the opponent at a crucial moment.



Savior vs Nada on Longinus II

While in many of the previous cases Savior subtly induced his opponent's to run marines into lurkers, here he takes a more direct approach. NaDa sensed an opportunity to attack as Savior's defensive lurkers were still hatching. Only one sunken was in place to hold the crucial natural position. Normally, rushing forward like NaDa did would be a correct judgment. Even if Savior's lurkers would hatch and Savior reacted instantly, NaDa could do some damage and retreat safely. However, that wasn’t the complete picture.



Savior preemptively hides three lurkers outside of his natural.

Once NaDa pressed ahead, instead of running to safety behind the sunken, Savior immediately burrows his under-fire lurkers, intending to force NaDa back despite suffering a casualty. NaDa correctly retreats after killing a lurker and heavily damaging another for free.



NaDa surges forward, snipes a lurker, and trots back.

Before the battle, Savior had hidden several lurkers in the fog behind NaDa's army. Once NaDa darted in, Savior burrowed these lurkers along the retreat path and called over several lings to help finish the job. The end result was that NaDa had no way to avoid the trap. He had already stimmed and would have to again, making it a battle he'd fight at half health.



NaDa retreats into lurkers he cannot avoid.

Thanks to some stellar micro, NaDa’s force is mauled, but not masticated. Savior’s zerglings were also late in arriving to the party. Had Savior gotten them there a second or two sooner and burrowed his lurkers slightly quicker, NaDa would have suffered many more losses.

Savior's hidden lurkers ran right to the position NaDa's army had just vacated when he darted forward to probe the natural. Thus NaDa ended up stuck in a situation where he absolutely had to fight burrowed lurkers head on with pure marine/medic. The most interesting part is that Savior predicted NaDa's decisions accurately. Had NaDa pressed his attack into Savior's natural, he would have suffered perhaps ten or more marine losses but would have broken Savior's defensive line and could have gotten at the drones. If NaDa went all the way with his attack, Savior would have needed to run his reinforcement lurkers up to NaDa's army from behind while they were shooting the sunken or else they would have been left out of the action entirely. Instead, Savior burrows the hidden lurkers at precisely the spot where NaDa retreats to, knowing all along that NaDa would retreat.



Thanks to some excellent micro by NaDa and mistiming by Savior, NaDa survives with a fraction of his units.

The entire sequence of events was a grave risk by Savior. Instead of keeping his 3 lurkers securely defending the natural, he sent them into the middle for greater flexibility in the near future and relied on a sunken and three morphing lurkers to hold. His gamble was so precisely timed that his defending lurkers hatched the exact second NaDa surged forward. Had Savior kept those three lurkers at home, NaDa could not only have just walked over to Savior's third and threatened serious damage, and Savior would have also lost the chance to cost-effectively reduce NaDa's force.

NaDa's moment of weakness was just for that single second when he left the important staging position and attacked forward, but Savior was completely ready to snatch it and maximize the amount of damage he could inflict with just a small number of units. Despite the mediocre execution by Savior, the trap still did reasonably well. With only a few units remaining, NaDa is forced to temporarily retreat, giving Savior a little more breathing room.

Furthermore, the outcome as it happened in the game was the best-case scenario for NaDa. If NaDa had looked away from his retreating army even momentarily to macro or gather reinforcements - a natural and intelligent allocation of attention given the information he knew - he would have lost everything.



Savior vs NaDa on Longinus II

Having just barely cleared up one of NaDa's major sieges, Savior takes a serious risk. Instead of passively defending and leaving his lurkers at home to await NaDa's next assault, Savior runs all of his remaining lurkers into the middle and takes an active stance. That meant that he left one sunken, a morphing lurker, and a dozen lings to block two tanks, two vessels, and thirty infantry. However, NaDa would need to rush to take advantage of this moment of weakness, and at the moment he was in the dark.



Savior leaves a paltry force at home to defend the vital natural location.

As it turns out, Savior's gamble was justified because he occupied NaDa with the threat of his maneuvering lurkers to the north, thus delaying NaDa's attack for several crucial seconds. Those seconds were all that is needed for a vital defiler to hatch. With exactly one second of leeway, NaDa scanned ahead and irradiated the defiler. Unfortunately, Savior had just enough time to get off a vital swarm. Even the small number of units Savior had under the swarm was enough to force NaDa to move away.



With swarm just in time, Savior pushes into the middle and forces NaDa northward.

This swarm, combined with the prior positioning of Savior’s lurkers, forces Nada to retreat northward into the jaws of his waiting lurkers. NaDa knew these lurkers were there but the swarm location and the positioning of his marines meant he had little choice in where to move.



NaDa is forced to run into lurker/ling and loses a fair number of marines. To top it off, a vessel dies with NaDa powerless to save it.

Savior used scourge alongside his lurker trap in order to snipe a key vessel. NaDa tried his best to micro the vessel to safety but in the face of several lurkers, he had no way to save it. His marines were too busy fighting for their own lives to save that of the halpless vessel. This being said, Savior's timing could have been better. His trap lurkers were burrowed slightly late and NaDa's army didn't suffer quite enough casualties. As with some of the other examples, Savior’s execution was not always perfect, but the boldness of his ideas often made up for a weakness in execution. In this case the loss of the lurker/ling let him snipe the vessel, which became crucial in the upcoming minutes.



Savior vs NaDa on Longinus II

In a chaotic moment, NaDa senses a weakness in Savior’s position and quickly moves to exploit it. Savior is running extremely low on forces in general, and all he has in the vicinity of his targeted third base are a paltry two lurkers that just hatched and three obsolete mutalisks out of position. Fortunately, he knows two valuable pieces of information thanks to a ling trailing NaDa's force: one, NaDa's stimmed army is moving north, and two, NaDa scanned the crucial high ground position and saw nothing. From that information, NaDa intelligently pre-stimmed his marines to get up the ramp before Savior could bring over all of his units. Once NaDa got up the ramp, it was game over. Two lurkers alone simply cannot hold off two dozen bio units if they fight on open ground, even if their hp is reduced by two stims.



NaDa smells an opportunity and stims his marines in order to race up the hill to the third base first.


NaDa scans the crest of the hill again to confirm Savior’s weakness. The scan shows two lurkers out of position and not ready to hold.

Savior's two lurkers luckily arrived just in time and NaDa's second scan sees this. However, two lurkers that aren't fully burrowed and positioned slightly too far back cannot hold NaDa's 20 man squad. Nada again makes the intelligent decision to run up the ramp and break the position. Unfortunately for NaDa, there was another actor in the play. The instant his marines ran within lurker range three mutalisks descended from nowhere and took up an unusual role as meatshields. Instead of NaDa's marines easily clearing up the lurkers as he planned, the mutalisks tanked enough damage for the lurkers to wreck almost the entirety of NaDa's force.



Suddenly NaDa is faced with mutalisks he never bargained for.

Rather than sending his mutalisks right alongside his lurkers for the strongest defense possible, Savior calculated that it would be smarter to bait NaDa into a rash attack. Thus Savior presented NaDa with the picture of two hurrying lurkers: a defense he could easily break. The timing on his mutalisks was completely deliberate, for he moved the mutalisks about four seconds after moving the lurkers even though he could have easily moved them any time during the last three of those seconds. What's more, the mutalisks arrived at the exact moment necessary. While the arrival of the lurkers was just scrambling happenstance, the mutalisk move was designed. NaDa's extremely skilled judgment was turned on its head.



With the mutalisks to act as meatshields, the lurkers are able to shred nearly all the remaining infantry.

Let's just pause a moment and fully digest what exactly happened here. Yes, the tactic itself was great. But what's important is that Savior, in no more than a two second window, devised a creative response to chop up an entire bio squad for one lurker and three obsolete mutalisks. In such a dire situation where any other Zerg in history would be scrambling and focused on nothing more than how to avoid losing, Savior was instead thinking about how to confound his opponent and gain an advantage. While some of these tactics were clearly meticulously devised, this one was not. It's extremely unlikely Savior specifically practiced hiding away mutalisks for the specific situation where his opponent would double-stim his marines to seize a location. Yet Savior, in a moment of crisis with a dozen tasks to deal with, still had the capability to create such a well-thought out response without messing up anywhere else.

Some may criticize NaDa here but what was he supposed to do, not take an opportunity that presented itself with the utmost skill and vigor? If those mutalisks hadn't arrived at that very moment, NaDa would have been able to cripple or raze the expansion and gain a decisive edge. In that scenario, he would be praised for his killer instinct. NaDa did all that could be asked of him, but ultimately that was just not enough.



How did Savior do it? How did he come to intuitively understand game flow at such an unparalleled level? How did he create an entire tactical system using unique psychological approaches from scratch?

It would be easy to answer this question by simply by saying Savior was naturally brilliant. However, this is unsatisfactory. The methodology for any specialist is often just as important as his latent abilities. In this case, the rather unique answer is that Savior was so good versus Terran users because he specifically practiced as Terran!



There is a direct relationship between when Savior adopted his new practice method and his increased ZvT understanding. Once Savior's schedule become burdensome in late 2006 and early 2007, he began to practice from his opponent's perspective. It is no coincidence that his tactical abilities sharply improved during this period as well.



In other words, once Savior reached the highest level he could by studying it only from his own point of view, he began to look at it from his opponent's perspective. By doing so, he was able to really get inside his opponent's subconscious, and thus devise schemes to take advantage of this knowledge. Many times in these articles I have explained how Savior punished the correct Terran responses; his practice method is entirely the reason behind his ability to do so. Savior's story is an extremely valuable lesson to his peers, as well as a different learning approach for those stuck at a certain level.

It could also be said that Savior only reached the peak of Zerg after he started playing as Terran more than Zerg. As odd and counter-intuitive as that statement may sound, it also makes considerable sense upon reflection. Why has no Zerg managed to replicate anything remotely resembling Savior's tactical capability, despite the full blueprint already have been laid out for them? Perhaps it is just because they have not spent enough time practicing as Terran against Zerg.

This practice method also explains Savior's unique strengths and weaknesses. In many ways he was an anomaly: one of the greatest champions, yet very mechanically mediocre. While other progamers spent countless hours sharpening their mechanics with their main race, Savior instead honed his intuition and game sense from another angle. He was the only champion utterly incapable of going all-in, yet one of the most invincible in the late game. Alongside players like iloveoov and Nal_ra, Savior's very existence runs counter to claims of Brood War being a game of mechanics over strategy.

However, just describing Savior as smart is not discerning enough. Intelligence in Brood War can manifest itself in many ways. For example, iloveoov and Flash are also extremely clever players whose major strengths consist of strategy, decision-making, and game sense alongside comparatively weaker mechanics. Compared to them, one cannot argue that Savior was smarter; instead, he was simply unique.

No other progamer can boast of his ability to intimately feel the flow of the game and alter it at will. When fans reminisce about watching Savior in his prime, they often invoke feelings of magic or wonder about his play. This may sound like a bunch of nostalgic, mystical hocus-pocus; after all, it is an extremely subjective judgment. Yet it is not said without reason. Before Savior, players like NaDa and iloveoov had objectively accomplished more by any measuring stick. However, it was Savior, not them, who so impressed the fans that they felt the need to create the bonjwa line. For Savior, there somehow always seemed space for something special, something solid, something stable. He saw that the spectacular, the stunning, and the striking are rooted in simple, subtle movements.






Other Work by Ver

Lings of Liberty: The Rise of the PatchZergs
God of the Battlefield: Part 1
iloveoov: The Greatest Genius
How to Improve

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Holy fuck its finally out!
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soooooo long, can't believe it's finally out!

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OH MY GOD, SO HYPED RIGHT NOW. I NEVER THOUGHT I'D SEE THIS.
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Part 2 is finally out! Ver's work is serious amazing and I think there's a lot we can take from this despite the despicable stuff Saviour did.
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This is amazing.
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March 27 2013 16:14 GMT
#11
I have to lodge my personal distaste with the continuous demonization of Savior (not directed at the OP or TL but general attitude on forums). What he did was wrong, punishable, even 'terrible' for esports but he is still human. To ostracize someone as to completely blot him out is to deny the very humanity of his actions. The truth is unfortunately like all tragic figures he demonstrates our friability and the negative aspects that are possible in esports.

Similarly, any serious football fan is aware of how betting/match-fixing has seriously degraded the integrity of the sport. But demonizing the players and tearing them down does nothing to combat the problem. That only serves to highlight players that serve as lightning rods for animosity when in fact the problem is more systemic. In doing so we actually cannibalize players that are most likely to get roped in (because they are some of the most successful) and remove talent from the game.


Full article I'm referencing re: football:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8924593/match-fixing-soccer

To clarify in case I'm misunderstood... I'm not excusing what Savior did and its very deplorable how things went down. I just hope in the future if something like this is uncovered that more attention is directed at the circumstances that allow for such match fixing to occur. Rather tearing down and demonizing the people who make the sport we enjoy so much does little to perserving the integrity of the game or learning from our mistakes.

- - -

Thanks for the post, really enjoyed the analysis!
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
March 27 2013 16:15 GMT
#12
HOLY FUCK
SICK

Ver <3
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Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
March 27 2013 16:15 GMT
#13
finally! thank you so much!
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Ivory Coast3016 Posts
March 27 2013 16:16 GMT
#14
It's hereeee
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Hetairoi
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden508 Posts
March 27 2013 16:18 GMT
#15
Great to finally see Part 2!

Thanks Ver!
FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
March 27 2013 16:18 GMT
#16
Wow, finally!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
March 27 2013 16:21 GMT
#17
Best on TL!
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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
March 27 2013 16:23 GMT
#18
He will be back. I believe!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
March 27 2013 16:24 GMT
#19
IS THIS REAL LIFE? I waited for this second part for such a long time
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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28089 Posts
March 27 2013 16:24 GMT
#20
Geez this is long, see you guys in 10 hours when I finish reading this
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Vandeam
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway28 Posts
March 27 2013 16:24 GMT
#21
I've been waiting so long for this!
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
March 27 2013 16:26 GMT
#22
Thank you for this! <33
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
March 27 2013 16:26 GMT
#23
Holyyyyyyyyy Shit. Awesome!
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Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Singapore335 Posts
March 27 2013 16:27 GMT
#24
I miss pre-match fixing Ma Jae Yoon.
become legendary
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
March 27 2013 16:27 GMT
#25
Finally :D
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
March 27 2013 16:28 GMT
#26
Awesome read!

Miss them lurkers =/
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theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 16:29:41
March 27 2013 16:29 GMT
#27
So have any progamers since Savior advertised the fact that they practice using the upcoming opponent's race? Or did it become a fact of life? I can't remember reading that in an interview with anyone else. Fascinating.
WhX
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany778 Posts
March 27 2013 16:29 GMT
#28
Well-written article for an outstanding player. Thank you very much, I skimmed over the text, but I'll read it all thoroughly after having more time.
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1166 Posts
March 27 2013 16:31 GMT
#29
wow amazing
Gj !!!
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
March 27 2013 16:31 GMT
#30
Fantastic read... thousand thanks!
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kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1374 Posts
March 27 2013 16:33 GMT
#31
great read, thanks
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SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
March 27 2013 16:34 GMT
#32
I remember reading the original and enjoying it, and I enjoyed this too. Really good job, makes me want to switch back to Zerg...
Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
March 27 2013 16:34 GMT
#33
This should tide me over for a few days.

And then the part 3 hunger shall commence.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
March 27 2013 16:35 GMT
#34
Omg yes!!!! I have been waiting so long for this!!!!!!!!!!
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Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
March 27 2013 16:39 GMT
#35
i Still don't read it but i waited for this for so long, how many time have passed, 3 years or so.. i'll read it ASAP C:
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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
March 27 2013 16:40 GMT
#36
Christmas in March! Thank you, Ver!
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HSAN
Profile Joined March 2013
11 Posts
March 27 2013 16:40 GMT
#37
Man tears were shed.

Ma Jae Yoon!

And tbh I found this the best way to practice as well, to just play the other races so you know them just as well as your own main race, brings your game to a whole new level and makes you experience your games in a completely different and better way.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
March 27 2013 16:40 GMT
#38
Haha I chuckled when I thought about those title percentages and what it would sound like in the sc2 community :D
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Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
March 27 2013 16:41 GMT
#39
Epic read, it's a real shame I didn't get into StarCraft online until sc2. Sounds like a missed a whole load of epic
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
March 27 2013 16:42 GMT
#40
Even if he has fallen from the throne there is no doubt he was genius general of the swarm ....
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 27 2013 16:43 GMT
#41
I'd say i read about 20% of it yet, seems like a godlike article on a godlike player.
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
March 27 2013 16:45 GMT
#42
HOLY SHIIIII!!!! I thought this was gonna go the way of Duke Nukem
I'm a noob
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 16:58:39
March 27 2013 16:46 GMT
#43
Amazingly well written. Enjoyed reading the analysis of strategical innovations.
Liquid`Zephyr
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States996 Posts
March 27 2013 16:46 GMT
#44
holy cow. really well done and a great read =]
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kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
March 27 2013 16:49 GMT
#45
awesome read.
Zerg titles came from Savior (4), Jaedong (5), Chojja (1), GGplay (1), Hydra (1), Effort (1), Calm (1), Luxury (1), GGplay (1), and July (1)

ggplay is in there twice
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
March 27 2013 16:49 GMT
#46
Ver definitely did not dissapoint :D
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mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
March 27 2013 16:49 GMT
#47
Sick... Sick.. absolutely amazing work....

It was a pleasure reading this brilliant article thank you Ver
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TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
March 27 2013 16:50 GMT
#48
Good read, ma bonjwa truly one of the greatest tacticians of all bw history. Really would have loved to see his approach to SC2 engagements...

Also practicing as other races is probably one of the best ways to improve for the exact reason you posted - you get to learn possible timings and typical building placements that your opponents go for. This makes it a good reason to watch other races streams.
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mjuuy
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway506 Posts
March 27 2013 16:51 GMT
#49
Ver best.
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LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
March 27 2013 16:51 GMT
#50
Unbelievable. TL writing is just on another level. So hyped to get to reading this, thanks Ver!!!
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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
March 27 2013 16:52 GMT
#51
Hell, it's about time.
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 27 2013 16:55 GMT
#52
No other progamer can boast of his ability to intimately feel the flow of the game and alter it at will. When fans reminisce about watching Savior in his prime, they often invoke feelings of magic or wonder about his play. This may sound like a bunch of nostalgic, mystical hocus-pocus; after all, it is an extremely subjective judgment. Yet it is not said without reason. Before Savior, players like NaDa and iloveoov had objectively accomplished more by any measuring stick. However, it was Savior, not them, who so impressed the fans that they felt the need to create the bonjwa line. For Savior, there somehow always seemed space for something special, something solid, something stable. He saw that the spectacular, the stunning, and the striking are rooted in simple, subtle movements.


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shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
March 27 2013 16:56 GMT
#53
Finally. Amazing work Ver and shiro!
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Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
March 27 2013 16:59 GMT
#54
It was definitely a good read but nowhere near as good as the first part you wrote. I'm glad you still made this. Although it ends somewhat abruptly. I would have liked you to do a more of a conclusion/closure thing on the end. Thanks a lot for writing this.
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DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
March 27 2013 17:01 GMT
#55
Holy shit! This is gonna take a while.
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
March 27 2013 17:03 GMT
#56
wow. due to this I only worked 7 of my usual 8 hours today :D props dude.
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
March 27 2013 17:07 GMT
#57
Wohey! I won't be bored at work tomorrow. And the day after..
En Taro Violet
renezerg
Profile Joined May 2007
Peru186 Posts
March 27 2013 17:11 GMT
#58
Holy fuck it was a pleasure to read such a beautiful article, absolutely sick
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3624 Posts
March 27 2013 17:15 GMT
#59
O.O OMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 17:21:57
March 27 2013 17:16 GMT
#60
Oh how I waited for this to come out. Really good read for a fellow zerg player and broodwar-lover. Great strategial hints and facts!

WELL DONE!

Nostalgia overpower :/

Edit: even better than part 1 oo;
Marke
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden279 Posts
March 27 2013 17:16 GMT
#61
wow awsome artical havent had time to read it all, but can tell you put alot of work into this. thank you alot.
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 27 2013 17:17 GMT
#62
It's finally out! Go ver!
Pssht
Profile Joined June 2011
United States42 Posts
March 27 2013 17:17 GMT
#63
Beautifully written
Pssht
Drimacus
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany92 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 17:20:44
March 27 2013 17:18 GMT
#64
Hell it's about time ;-)

Thanks so much ver! I loved the first part and already love this one.
Keep doing!


edit: damn, that feeling comes back. I know he did wrong but... I want... Savior back!
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
March 27 2013 17:23 GMT
#65
Long live saviOr!
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
March 27 2013 17:24 GMT
#66
Praise the Lord. Part 2 is here.
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
March 27 2013 17:27 GMT
#67
i came buckets.

been a long time waiting, but it paid out every second of it.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
March 27 2013 17:29 GMT
#68
NO WAY i fucking thank you!
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
March 27 2013 17:29 GMT
#69
I read the First part over 20 times... This is as good. Fucking Brilliant...

Ahh... I love Starcraft <3
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
March 27 2013 17:37 GMT
#70
Bow before the King!
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 17:46:54
March 27 2013 17:40 GMT
#71
Thanks a lot, great article, I'll read the other half tomorrow, you can only take in so much beauty at once.

On March 28 2013 01:29 theqat wrote:
So have any progamers since Savior advertised the fact that they practice using the upcoming opponent's race? Or did it become a fact of life? I can't remember reading that in an interview with anyone else. Fascinating.

A lot of Koreans are very good with their offrace. MC helped other players practicing TvZ for Code S with him as Zerg and won like half the games from what I remember. I don't know about seriously practicing to help their matchups, don't recall any interviews about that but seeing how good some players are with it, some might still use this approach.

For foreigners, Nerchio has said that when he feels lost in a matchup he plays it from the other point of view and often finds something that helps him play with his main race.
Booser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States4 Posts
March 27 2013 17:41 GMT
#72
This is an awesome article. As a Starcraft 2 player, I can safely say that no game I've ever seen even remotely captures the tactical brilliance on display here, but I'm hopeful that something will one day come along. Great write-up and amazing read!
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
March 27 2013 17:42 GMT
#73
Loved Savior's gameplay.

Wish he didn't do what he did This is a fantastic part 2 to an already amazing article, nice job Ver!!
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duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
March 27 2013 17:43 GMT
#74
Holy shit Article! Thanks so much!
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ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
March 27 2013 17:43 GMT
#75
That's one badass piece of writing. Congratulations !

I remember being quite good at TvZ ... before everyone started to use the 3 hatch muta into swarm build T_T;
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HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
March 27 2013 17:45 GMT
#76
On March 28 2013 01:14 wangstra wrote:
I have to lodge my personal distaste with the continuous demonization of Savior. What he did was wrong, punishable, even 'terrible' for esports but he is still human. To ostracize someone as to completely blot him out is to deny the very humanity of his actions. The truth is unfortunately like all tragic figures he demonstrates our friability and the negative aspects that are possible in esports.

Similarly, any serious football fan is aware of how betting/match-fixing has seriously degraded the integrity of the sport. But demonizing the players and tearing them down does nothing to combat the problem. That only serves to highlight players that serve as lightning rods for animosity when in fact the problem is more systemic. In doing so we actually cannibalize players that are most likely to get roped in (because they are some of the most successful) and remove talent from the game.


Full article I'm referencing re: football:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8924593/match-fixing-soccer

To clarify in case I'm misunderstood... I'm not excusing what Savior did and its very deplorable how things went down. I just hope in the future if something like this is uncovered that more attention is directed at the circumstances that allow for such match fixing to occur. Rather tearing down and demonizing the people who make the sport we enjoy so much does little to perserving the integrity of the game or learning from our mistakes.


I think two points need to be clarified here, the first is more general, the second is more directed at what you point out.




Dividing up Savior's contributions and his actions

I don't think anyone is suggesting we dehumanize him.

Ultimately, what people may take issue with here (and why the article requires a preface), is that we're glorifying his skill within the same context of a scene he was instrumental in irreparably damaging.

Without such a preface, such praise could be interpreted as tacit acceptance of all he has done,

In very abstract terms, praising an individual for something they've done in a narrow context is often interpreted as complete acceptance of everything that person does. Colloquially, we call this placing someone on a pedestal. This type of glorification is widespread in any competitive sport.

However, when that someone does something deplorable, we need to be cognisant of the fact that this idolization is logically unsound. One's great contributions in a narrow context does not necessarily exempt them from their actions in a different context.

Take Tiger Woods for example. Even in the aftermath of his well documented fall from grace, people would not dispute that he is/was a great golfer. Nonetheless, it became apparent that he was not necessarily an infallibly great person. The whole ordeal highlighted an unpalatable side of him. He was not a faithful spouse, capable of deceit and betrayal of so-called loved ones.

It became necessary to recognize the disconnect between his contributions to a game and his personal character outside of that game.

No amount of adultery will erase the fact that he is indisputably one of the best golfers to ever grace the sport. But no amount of skill can be used to redeem his personal character.

While the case for Savior is closer to the game than Tiger Woods (in that his deplorable actions directly affected the sport), this is still an example of disconnecting reverence for skill and a character judgement.

That's ultimately what's occurring here---reverence for skill != exemption of personal character flaws




On Systemic Issues

You rightfully point out that the matter is systemic and that he has become a lightning rod for a problem that he is not solely blameworthy.

(We should keep in mind, however, that his role was not merely participatory--he involved many more players than just himself. This increased role is the most likely reason for this "lightning rod" status.)

Determining whether or not blame for criminal action lies with an individual or a broader system... is not limited to match-fixing in sports. Entire justice systems are founded on the principle that we hold an individual accountable, even if there are contributory systemic factors. Punishment, justice, rehabilitation and all sorts of other issues are steeped in this criminological rhetoric.

There just isn't an easy way to separate the two (individual blame, systemic blame). The best we can do is be cognizant of both... but that doesn't stop us from ultimately holding individuals accountable. We just do so with the caveat that they are sometimes a product of a system. This, at best, provides leniency in punishment, but is never excuplatory.

Whether or not he should or should not be forgiven is a wholly different question. One I think each person evaluates based on the harm they feel he caused and whether or not it warrants continued disgust. Being aware that he is part of a system can help mitigate the perceived harm, but it rarely ever absolves one entirely.




TLDR: In the end, I don't think there is any suggestion (at least by TL) that Savior is less than human as a result of his actions. Instead, there is a clear recognition that one's contributions to a sport are distinct from their personal character. Whether a person chooses to levy all of their hatred for match-fixing onto Savior is their own decision. It should also be remembered that match-fixing is not a crime one can engage in within a vacuum. It does indeed require a system. However, it should be remembered that the reason he is singled out for the scandal is that his role was deeply involved and pervasive. He affected not only himself but many players.

I've rambled, but ultimately I agree with you. Regardless what any may think, criminals are humans too. Of course, humanity does not exempt one from my personal contempt.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
March 27 2013 17:52 GMT
#77
Reading about Savior makes me sad. I remember being proud as a zerg that our Bonjwa was the greatest player of all time... He did what he did he has been punished for it, years after that incident it still bring out a lot of emotion from the community, just goes to show you how big he was. *sigh*

The fact that he still plays BW is a testament to how much he loves the game, which is kind of poetic in its own way. Great article, always a pleasure to read final edits
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 27 2013 17:52 GMT
#78
Finally ! ty so much can't wait to get back to reading the next chapter, though he had a black soul he sure as hell was briliant to.
binski
Profile Joined December 2010
United States225 Posts
March 27 2013 17:52 GMT
#79
sick article man
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United States10328 Posts
March 27 2013 17:57 GMT
#80
wheeeee finally
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Vogue
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
March 27 2013 17:58 GMT
#81
Can't wait to finish this thing Ver, great to see it finally released.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
March 27 2013 18:01 GMT
#82
Love it Read it twice
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5479 Posts
March 27 2013 18:04 GMT
#83
<3 BW final edits not quiet like it
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13th Marine
Profile Joined January 2011
United States344 Posts
March 27 2013 18:04 GMT
#84
Another great read.
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thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
March 27 2013 18:05 GMT
#85
Holy shit, reading this right now! I re-read first part 2 days ago and i was thinking when is the 2nd part coming out.
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
March 27 2013 18:06 GMT
#86
OMG, you blasted off my nerd panties with this part 2. So brilliant and beautiful. I had no idea he practised so much as terran, which would explain a lot in terms of how far ahead he was of his zerg peers in 2006.

Remembering the genius of savior makes me wish he'd come back for sc2... on a non kespa team of course, hehe.
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surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
March 27 2013 18:07 GMT
#87
Must be Christmas, I've been waiting for this forever. Thanks so much Ver, gonna enjoy this.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5479 Posts
March 27 2013 18:08 GMT
#88
On March 28 2013 02:52 Zeo wrote:
Reading about Savior makes me sad. I remember being proud as a zerg that our Bonjwa was the greatest player of all time... He did what he did he has been punished for it, years after that incident it still bring out a lot of emotion from the community, just goes to show you how big he was. *sigh*

The fact that he still plays BW is a testament to how much he loves the game, which is kind of poetic in its own way. Great article, always a pleasure to read final edits

Yeah he even won one of the SSLs before he got banned from that to!
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fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
March 27 2013 18:08 GMT
#89
Wow!

Thanks so much for this article!

See you in two days when I'll finish it =)
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
March 27 2013 18:08 GMT
#90
oh my god...the one article I waited...oh shit...gotta read it bye
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
March 27 2013 18:09 GMT
#91
It is HERE

IT IS HERE

Holy shit
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
March 27 2013 18:10 GMT
#92
I have been waiting so long to read an article like this
and my mind has been blown everything in this article has been fantastic to read.

This article reminded me greatly of Alexander the Great and his battle at Jhelum.
At the battle Alexander pulled of a very impress flank against his Indian opponent Porus.

Alexander achieved the flank by dividing his forces and luring Porus into attacking one of them.
Then once one side of Alexander's front was attacked, the other end of Alexander's front moved into position to flank Porus.
Alexander used his superior numbers but inferior battle technology (Porus had war elephants that Alexander couldn't attack) to his advantage.
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CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
March 27 2013 18:14 GMT
#93
Every time i read such articles (im SO glad its finally out!) i'm again in awe of how incredibly deep and amazing broodwar was.

MJY forever!
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:17:15
March 27 2013 18:16 GMT
#94
This. is. amazing! Been waiting for part 2 for a while~
SC2 will never have anything close to this.

BW <3
T P Z sagi
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
March 27 2013 18:18 GMT
#95
god it's so good.

love reading this stuff, wish savior never did what he did.
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Homework
Profile Joined December 2010
United States283 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:23:20
March 27 2013 18:22 GMT
#96
Fantastic article. I loved the part 1, but didn't know how Savior could do it. Now I know!
Just a few typos.
Without the tools and concepts Savior supplied, mutalisk stacking would have simply remained a flashy idea without teeth and a merely a viable way to all-in


Zerg titles came from Savior (4), Jaedong (5), Chojja (1), GGplay (1), Hydra (1), Effort (1), Calm (1), Luxury (1), GGplay (1), and July (1)

Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:24:04
March 27 2013 18:23 GMT
#97
Incredible write up Ver!
I wish SaviOr was able to come back, so sad

Awesome that in order to practice vs. T he played T, I've always imagine that some players would do that in order to get a better understanding of other races.

Edit: lol it took me so long to read the article that when I went to reply I got that error message about waiting too long ^^
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
March 27 2013 18:23 GMT
#98
Time to read part 1 again..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
March 27 2013 18:25 GMT
#99
On March 28 2013 03:08 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 02:52 Zeo wrote:
Reading about Savior makes me sad. I remember being proud as a zerg that our Bonjwa was the greatest player of all time... He did what he did he has been punished for it, years after that incident it still bring out a lot of emotion from the community, just goes to show you how big he was. *sigh*

The fact that he still plays BW is a testament to how much he loves the game, which is kind of poetic in its own way. Great article, always a pleasure to read final edits

Yeah he even won one of the SSLs before he got banned from that to!

He didn't. He hasn't played in Sonic events nor has he been allowed in them. He did however participate in Terror's league, which he won. Terror won the first SSL, maybe that's what you're confusing with.
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IGotPlayguuu
Profile Joined June 2011
Italy660 Posts
March 27 2013 18:28 GMT
#100
Beautiful
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
March 27 2013 18:28 GMT
#101
I've been waiting for part 2 for so long now it seems. Thank you for this, this was my favorite Final Edit .
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GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
March 27 2013 18:29 GMT
#102
Wasn't sure if we'd ever see pt 2, but I'm very glad we get to! Amazingly researched and amazingly written. Thank you for the incredible piece!

As fun as it is to marvel at players who have robot-like speed and mechanics, it's always so much more fascinating and exciting to me to try to understand the players who were/are strategic and tactical geniuses. The way Savior could establish that kind of dominance through smart play instead of through perfect macro and control will always be a source of inspiration (even though the man himself inspires other emotions).
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
March 27 2013 18:29 GMT
#103
I remember when I first discovered TL and went on a TLFE binge and it was such an educational and emotional rollercoaster and really made me fall in love with BW.

Ver, you are awesome, and Savior, what an incredible player.
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Tyrrhus
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands52 Posts
March 27 2013 18:30 GMT
#104
Amazing read
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
March 27 2013 18:32 GMT
#105
Wonderful writing, definitely evokes feelings of awe for Savior's brilliance. While all the other progamers were playing a video game, Savior was playing a strategy game. When people joke that South Korea should recruit progamers to lead their military against North Korea, à la Ender's Game, Savior is the only one I'd actually trust to do it.
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Profile Joined September 2011
Germany1070 Posts
March 27 2013 18:33 GMT
#106
Omg waited soooooo long, gonna read it later with a bottle of my best beer! Part one was already amazing.
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CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
March 27 2013 18:37 GMT
#107
I don't know how Koreans think about it, but to me it seems that Savior could be a two-dimensional figure for broodwar. I mean, after all he has had a TON of fans. Wouldn't he be able to redeem his (terrible) actions in the past by making a public statement and actively trying to rebuild broodwar? I mean after all, do people really think that Savior didn't change?

If someone would re-invite Savior to the scene i think there might actually be more of a hype than a turn-off around it. I mean, Savior was a superstar back in the days.
jjwhg
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States155 Posts
March 27 2013 18:42 GMT
#108
OMG, I thought this would never happen! I guess I'm not getting any work done today
♥ Bisu ♥
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
March 27 2013 18:42 GMT
#109
amazing read.i really liked it cuz savior was my favorite progamer at that time. it's really sad though that things turned out for him like this. because he was one of the most influential players in bw history and he basically changed the way how zerg players approached the game as a whole.

well done everyone...
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Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
March 27 2013 18:45 GMT
#110
My god this article is fantastic!!! I've only skimmed it so far, but it all seems really interesting. This has inspired me to play as Toss or Terran now in SC2 and keep trying out particular builds that I'm having trouble against, to see how other Zergs react to it.
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Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
March 27 2013 18:45 GMT
#111
woah sick! I am so inspired right now!
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 27 2013 18:50 GMT
#112
Amazing article. Savior may have been a son of a bitch, but he was also a brilliant son of a bitch.
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vaL4r
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany240 Posts
March 27 2013 18:52 GMT
#113
I have waited so long, thank you.
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SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
March 27 2013 18:54 GMT
#114
this article was a sick read. savior was one of my favorite zergs after seeing his old vods, and still is. his actions outside the game dont change his vods when you look them up. they are still sick sick zerg play.
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Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
March 27 2013 19:01 GMT
#115
Ma Bonjwa. Brilliant article, I've been waiting for this forever.
HSAN
Profile Joined March 2013
11 Posts
March 27 2013 19:02 GMT
#116
On March 28 2013 03:50 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Amazing article. Savior may have been a son of a bitch, but he was also a brilliant son of a bitch.



No need to offend Ma's ma.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
March 27 2013 19:03 GMT
#117
On March 28 2013 03:37 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
I don't know how Koreans think about it, but to me it seems that Savior could be a two-dimensional figure for broodwar. I mean, after all he has had a TON of fans. Wouldn't he be able to redeem his (terrible) actions in the past by making a public statement and actively trying to rebuild broodwar? I mean after all, do people really think that Savior didn't change?

If someone would re-invite Savior to the scene i think there might actually be more of a hype than a turn-off around it. I mean, Savior was a superstar back in the days.

As far as I'm aware, sopsa wants nothing more to do with him.
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riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
March 27 2013 19:07 GMT
#118
ohhhhhhhhhhhh myyyy goodddddddddddd! its here! finally! long live mjy!
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
March 27 2013 19:08 GMT
#119
On March 28 2013 02:52 Zeo wrote:
Reading about Savior makes me sad. I remember being proud as a zerg that our Bonjwa was the greatest player of all time... He did what he did he has been punished for it, years after that incident it still bring out a lot of emotion from the community, just goes to show you how big he was. *sigh*

The fact that he still plays BW is a testament to how much he loves the game, which is kind of poetic in its own way. Great article, always a pleasure to read final edits

Nah, he only still plays BW nowadays so that he can receive money from his viewers on Afreeca (he also does balloon bet matches with other BJs on afreeca ie shuttle and tyson who both recently have beat him), not because he loves the game. (He has streamed LoL and sc2 on afreeca before too)

On June 24 2012 14:46 Clefairy wrote:
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sAviOr: BW is dead. That's how the world is. How much longer can we play 2D games

sAviOr is scum.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 27 2013 19:10 GMT
#120
wow
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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 27 2013 19:11 GMT
#121
On March 28 2013 03:16 purakushi wrote:
This. is. amazing! Been waiting for part 2 for a while~
SC2 will never have anything close to this.

BW <3

I bet nobody thought BW was going to become as big as it did. Before savior, most people agreed zerg was underpowered in BW. People used to think the world is flat. There are countless examples, but the only truth is there is no way to know where SC2 is going to end up.

Was waiting for this article for ages, very well written. It's also pretty impressive how long it took for BW to develop concepts that are standard in military strategy. Flanks, supply line cutoffs, raiding parties, and even the fact that knowing your enemy closely is helpful are things that are logical and obvious. I find it interesting that it takes so long to translate them into a game.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 27 2013 19:11 GMT
#122
Great work! Amazing to read
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NaYa
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada9 Posts
March 27 2013 19:14 GMT
#123
Well-written. Enjoyed it!
Tachyon
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark146 Posts
March 27 2013 19:14 GMT
#124
OMG FINALLY! Been waiting for this for so long, can't wait to read Thanks Ver!
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MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
March 27 2013 19:16 GMT
#125
omg finally 1111111111111111111111111OLJKHRGNÜÄLOjsarhgÄOjswhrOGÖÄHNSROGS<RG
NICE !!!!!!!!!
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MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
March 27 2013 19:16 GMT
#126
Ver
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
March 27 2013 19:18 GMT
#127
Thank you Ver. Nerd chills just from looking at the title, can't wait to read this now!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
March 27 2013 19:21 GMT
#128
Hell, it's been a while...

Epic article Ver.
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
March 27 2013 19:28 GMT
#129
wow, so much.

teamliquid=blizzard? both take years to finish stuff that they can do in months:D

tl #1
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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 27 2013 19:28 GMT
#130
Beautiful final line
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ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
March 27 2013 19:29 GMT
#131
On March 28 2013 04:28 sabas123 wrote:
wow, so much.

teamliquid=blizzard? both take years to finish stuff that they can do in months:D

tl #1


i think this was written a long time ago, but was never released because of the controversy

really well done, makes me nostalgic again
fuck lag
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1654 Posts
March 27 2013 19:33 GMT
#132
Amazing read. Savior was the player who got me into the progaming world, so despite his actions he is still my favorite player.
Graphics
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
March 27 2013 19:33 GMT
#133
Finally, part 2 came out!
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Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
March 27 2013 19:37 GMT
#134
I mean, I was a sAviOr fan before. But god damn, I didn't know this much. Haha. Great article!
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
March 27 2013 19:40 GMT
#135
On March 28 2013 04:29 ZidaneTribal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 04:28 sabas123 wrote:
wow, so much.

teamliquid=blizzard? both take years to finish stuff that they can do in months:D

tl #1


i think this was written a long time ago, but was never released because of the controversy

really well done, makes me nostalgic again

I also was under impression that's the case. But I'd very much like to know th reason for the delay. I don't think it was that much controversial when part 1 was published.
pshych0
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
274 Posts
March 27 2013 19:40 GMT
#136
Thank you.
shit happens
STDfan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States203 Posts
March 27 2013 19:42 GMT
#137
Thank you for this. I loved Savior and his plays, and this is as close as I can get to seeing his former brilliance again.
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TTOMZ
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom156 Posts
March 27 2013 19:43 GMT
#138
While i agree with almost everything said i do feel you're giving Savior too much credit and other Zergs not nearly enough. Jaedong changed ZvZ and ZvP forever
9 pool you say?
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
March 27 2013 19:44 GMT
#139
Much respect for sAviOr. The reason I started learning how to really play BW... when I saw him play in Paris in 2008. I couldn't believe what he could do with Zerg and I wanted to at least be able to fake that.

Thank you so much for further immortalizing Ma Bonjwa!
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5554 Posts
March 27 2013 19:52 GMT
#140
Will read, but I will never forgive this asshole for what he did. Fuck savior.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
March 27 2013 19:53 GMT
#141
Welp... There goes my afternoon. =)

So awesome that this is finally out, very excited to get to it. Thanks.
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lethyl
Profile Joined March 2010
United States207 Posts
March 27 2013 20:00 GMT
#142
Amazing article, I wonder if there will be an oov article in the future.
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Mentor
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany219 Posts
March 27 2013 20:03 GMT
#143
You guys are awesome to finally put this out. Thanks so much!!!
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28089 Posts
March 27 2013 20:04 GMT
#144
On March 28 2013 05:00 lethyl wrote:
Amazing article, I wonder if there will be an oov article in the future.

That seems like a great idea.
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
March 27 2013 20:07 GMT
#145
This is wonderful. It's so amazing to get this snippit of history for someone who wasn't there. Watching in the era of the dragons I only remembered Much and other toss humiliating savior.
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Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
March 27 2013 20:12 GMT
#146
Too bad you can't do stuff like this in Sc2.
<3 bw
fishbowl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 20:17:24
March 27 2013 20:15 GMT
#147
I can't believe it's here... This was like the Half Life 3 of Final Edits. Thank you! I'm off to read it.
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
March 27 2013 20:16 GMT
#148
Sick read. MJY was the first progamer I followed closely so he will always have a special place in my heart despite everything he did.
Jaedong :D
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
March 27 2013 20:19 GMT
#149
very nice read. Savior was fantastic in hes play, outside of it not so much
DrStoopid
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden45 Posts
March 27 2013 20:27 GMT
#150
Fantastic read!
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Profile Joined June 2011
220 Posts
March 27 2013 20:30 GMT
#151
YEEEESSSSS!!!! FINALLY!!!! *fap fap fap*
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Jeremy Reimer
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada968 Posts
March 27 2013 20:32 GMT
#152
I got into BW after Savior's dominance had already ended. I used to watch Jaedong's flanking play and get the sickest nerd chills... I had no idea that Savior had pioneered this along with so many other strategic plays.

Kind of makes me sad that I missed that era.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
March 27 2013 20:33 GMT
#153
FUCK YES PART 2.
I HAVE WAITED TOO LONG FOR THE CONTINUATION
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Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
March 27 2013 20:36 GMT
#154
I am so happy to see this finally out ^_^
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humanimal
Profile Joined June 2010
United States151 Posts
March 27 2013 20:39 GMT
#155
it's stuff like this that keeps bringing me back to esports <3
Rokevo
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1033 Posts
March 27 2013 20:42 GMT
#156
Sick!

Part 1 was amazing.. Time for some reading!
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
March 27 2013 20:44 GMT
#157
Oh shit :D

nice guide as always Ver XD
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AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
March 27 2013 20:45 GMT
#158
This is an incredible article. I realize people will probably flame me for saying this, but I feel he should be forgiven for his match fixing, at least to some extent. Everyone makes mistakes and has done stuff they regret, and the fact that he is still streaming games even to this day is proof enough to me that he genuinely loves the game.

Anyways, what could I possibly say that wasn't already said in the article far better. He was a true revolutionary.
rusty23456
Profile Joined September 2009
United States110 Posts
March 27 2013 20:50 GMT
#159
I actually saw JulyZerg first before SAvior with the 3 hatch opening to mutas harass build. I think the transitions go like this : Julzerg ---> SAvior ---> forGG ---> Jaedong. Each with new innovations from each other in that order
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
March 27 2013 20:53 GMT
#160
Really incredible look at all the things he did right, it's crazy the stuff he pulled off.
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Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 20:55:25
March 27 2013 20:53 GMT
#161
On March 28 2013 05:50 rusty23456 wrote:
I actually saw JulyZerg first before SAvior with the 3 hatch opening to mutas harass build. I think the transitions go like this : Julzerg ---> SAvior ---> forGG ---> Jaedong. Each with new innovations from each other in that order


Why do you even pretend?
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wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 21:11:29
March 27 2013 20:59 GMT
#162
On March 28 2013 02:45 HawaiianPig wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 28 2013 01:14 wangstra wrote:
I have to lodge my personal distaste with the continuous demonization of Savior. What he did was wrong, punishable, even 'terrible' for esports but he is still human. To ostracize someone as to completely blot him out is to deny the very humanity of his actions. The truth is unfortunately like all tragic figures he demonstrates our friability and the negative aspects that are possible in esports.

Similarly, any serious football fan is aware of how betting/match-fixing has seriously degraded the integrity of the sport. But demonizing the players and tearing them down does nothing to combat the problem. That only serves to highlight players that serve as lightning rods for animosity when in fact the problem is more systemic. In doing so we actually cannibalize players that are most likely to get roped in (because they are some of the most successful) and remove talent from the game.


Full article I'm referencing re: football:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8924593/match-fixing-soccer

To clarify in case I'm misunderstood... I'm not excusing what Savior did and its very deplorable how things went down. I just hope in the future if something like this is uncovered that more attention is directed at the circumstances that allow for such match fixing to occur. Rather tearing down and demonizing the people who make the sport we enjoy so much does little to perserving the integrity of the game or learning from our mistakes.


I think two points need to be clarified here, the first is more general, the second is more directed at what you point out.




Dividing up Savior's contributions and his actions

I don't think anyone is suggesting we dehumanize him.

Ultimately, what people may take issue with here (and why the article requires a preface), is that we're glorifying his skill within the same context of a scene he was instrumental in irreparably damaging.

Without such a preface, such praise could be interpreted as tacit acceptance of all he has done,

In very abstract terms, praising an individual for something they've done in a narrow context is often interpreted as complete acceptance of everything that person does. Colloquially, we call this placing someone on a pedestal. This type of glorification is widespread in any competitive sport.

However, when that someone does something deplorable, we need to be cognisant of the fact that this idolization is logically unsound. One's great contributions in a narrow context does not necessarily exempt them from their actions in a different context.

Take Tiger Woods for example. Even in the aftermath of his well documented fall from grace, people would not dispute that he is/was a great golfer. Nonetheless, it became apparent that he was not necessarily an infallibly great person. The whole ordeal highlighted an unpalatable side of him. He was not a faithful spouse, capable of deceit and betrayal of so-called loved ones.

It became necessary to recognize the disconnect between his contributions to a game and his personal character outside of that game.

No amount of adultery will erase the fact that he is indisputably one of the best golfers to ever grace the sport. But no amount of skill can be used to redeem his personal character.

While the case for Savior is closer to the game than Tiger Woods (in that his deplorable actions directly affected the sport), this is still an example of disconnecting reverence for skill and a character judgement.

That's ultimately what's occurring here---reverence for skill != exemption of personal character flaws




On Systemic Issues

You rightfully point out that the matter is systemic and that he has become a lightning rod for a problem that he is not solely blameworthy.

(We should keep in mind, however, that his role was not merely participatory--he involved many more players than just himself. This increased role is the most likely reason for this "lightning rod" status.)

Determining whether or not blame for criminal action lies with an individual or a broader system... is not limited to match-fixing in sports. Entire justice systems are founded on the principle that we hold an individual accountable, even if there are contributory systemic factors. Punishment, justice, rehabilitation and all sorts of other issues are steeped in this criminological rhetoric.

There just isn't an easy way to separate the two (individual blame, systemic blame). The best we can do is be cognizant of both... but that doesn't stop us from ultimately holding individuals accountable. We just do so with the caveat that they are sometimes a product of a system. This, at best, provides leniency in punishment, but is never excuplatory.

Whether or not he should or should not be forgiven is a wholly different question. One I think each person evaluates based on the harm they feel he caused and whether or not it warrants continued disgust. Being aware that he is part of a system can help mitigate the perceived harm, but it rarely ever absolves one entirely.




TLDR: In the end, I don't think there is any suggestion (at least by TL) that Savior is less than human as a result of his actions. Instead, there is a clear recognition that one's contributions to a sport are distinct from their personal character. Whether a person chooses to levy all of their hatred for match-fixing onto Savior is their own decision. It should also be remembered that match-fixing is not a crime one can engage in within a vacuum. It does indeed require a system. However, it should be remembered that the reason he is singled out for the scandal is that his role was deeply involved and pervasive. He affected not only himself but many players.

I've rambled, but ultimately I agree with you. Regardless what any may think, criminals are humans too. Of course, humanity does not exempt one from my personal contempt.


Thanks for that well put reply! I didn't get the impression the writer or TL were putting down Savior, rather its an attitude that I've observed largely on the forums here. I realize the initial comments prefacing the article was to put Savior's accomplishments in context.

Cheers!

Also wow, does any unit in SC2 offer that kind of punishing positional play? Widow mine? <3 Lurker

Lastly, which came first? The game was balanced and Savior showed Zerg how to play? Or the game wasn't balanced and Savior found a way around it?

I ask because I wonder if we are there yet in SC2? Can Blizz simply hang back as they did for years then and wait for someone to change the game even if its tilted to one side?
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
March 27 2013 21:03 GMT
#163
that explains a lot why i saw stephano practice as protoss and met idra once on ladder on ohana and it was a pretty long macro game pvz
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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
March 27 2013 21:06 GMT
#164
On March 28 2013 05:53 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:50 rusty23456 wrote:
I actually saw JulyZerg first before SAvior with the 3 hatch opening to mutas harass build. I think the transitions go like this : Julzerg ---> SAvior ---> forGG ---> Jaedong. Each with new innovations from each other in that order


Why do you even pretend?


I think he meant to say ggplay
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
March 27 2013 21:07 GMT
#165
Good stuff =]
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Felvo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States124 Posts
March 27 2013 21:16 GMT
#166
I've been waiting for this for so long :D Thanks a lot!! Great read btw (:
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
March 27 2013 21:16 GMT
#167
And now even more evidence on the table as to why the lurker is the most badass unit around...

This was a long time coming. And it's even more awesome now that it's finally here.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
March 27 2013 21:18 GMT
#168
CHILLS. Been waiting forever for this
I'm an old man now
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
March 27 2013 21:20 GMT
#169
Sweet jesus this took too long. Time to devour every scrap of delicious knowledge this article is presenting to us.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
March 27 2013 21:29 GMT
#170
KITAAAAAA
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
March 27 2013 21:30 GMT
#171
Thank you so much!
What does it matter how I loose it?
sorrowptoss
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1431 Posts
March 27 2013 21:32 GMT
#172
Well I got all Easter long weekend to read this thank god (no pun intended).
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 21:33:59
March 27 2013 21:33 GMT
#173
Btw, I think you spelled War wrong in the Korean text. Probabl wrong though.
Floydian
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom374 Posts
March 27 2013 21:37 GMT
#174
Excellent article once again. Major kudos.
GaNgStaRR.ElV
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
March 27 2013 21:37 GMT
#175
Great article. Very insightful. I'm happy you feel confident to discuss Savi0r; in the same way that we might look at how Barry Bonds hitting techniques were instrumental in his record-breaking season without getting caught up in the fact that he broke the code of the game.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 27 2013 21:39 GMT
#176
On March 28 2013 06:29 neobowman wrote:
KITAAAAAA


Hi.

Awesome read Ver and shiroiusagi! ^_^
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Tanuki
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation51 Posts
March 27 2013 21:42 GMT
#177
Finally!!! Thank you!!!
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
March 27 2013 21:50 GMT
#178
YESSSS

This is a must read for everyone, BW and SC2 players must read it all. I wish there was a way to force people on reading it.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
March 27 2013 21:52 GMT
#179
Loved the article. Love it.
darkness overpowering
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 27 2013 21:56 GMT
#180
Epic!

You listed GGplay twice in the list of players who were champions (just Ctrl+F GGplay)
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
March 27 2013 21:56 GMT
#181
I loved the article. This is one of the main reasons I go onto TL. There's just nothing like these articles anywhere else, they're unparallelled and brilliant.
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
March 27 2013 21:58 GMT
#182
rofl, amazing work! mad props for the efforts!!! ~
it makes me remember how dominating he was - _ - ;
Enjoy the game
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
March 27 2013 21:59 GMT
#183
TLFE articles are my favourite thing to read on the internets! This one is pretty amazing.
The first rule we don't talk about race conditions. of race conditions is
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
March 27 2013 22:04 GMT
#184
really incredible... all I can say
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 27 2013 22:07 GMT
#185
Fantastic article, I've read both of them and even without having been a brood war follower myself, I'm still awe struck by Savior's accomplishments and his genius, he was a pioneer and a visionary as far as zerg gameplay goes, he just understood the race better then anyone else at the time.

While I'll despise him as a human for what he did to the eSports scene via match fixing, I'll always admire and respect him as the player.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3500 Posts
March 27 2013 22:08 GMT
#186
<3
Moderator
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
March 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#187
I wish Savor had made better choices, i would love to have seen him doing something in sc2 like boxer, maybe coaching.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
March 27 2013 22:23 GMT
#188
This is awesome. I'm half way done, but I love this indepth tactical analysis.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
March 27 2013 22:36 GMT
#189
Thank you for this incredible write up. Rereading about the legends of old always humbles me
Tracking treasure down
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
March 27 2013 22:36 GMT
#190
So excited! The first part is what got me into sc
tredc
Profile Joined July 2010
12 Posts
March 27 2013 22:42 GMT
#191
well i never got around commenting on the last one but really great articles Ver.

And on sAviOr, while it is no excuse for his later actions, his play during his prime
still remains as the most brilliant and amazing starcraft that I have seen.
Natalya
Profile Joined December 2011
Belgium287 Posts
March 27 2013 22:42 GMT
#192
This just makes me want to play around with lurkers instead of swarmhosts. It's so obvious lurkers have more strategical depth...
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
March 27 2013 22:53 GMT
#193
very good history lesson. +11111 would reread
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
March 27 2013 23:08 GMT
#194
Excellent read! Thank you!
sup
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 27 2013 23:12 GMT
#195


watch while listening to this, the nerd chillz.
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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
March 27 2013 23:13 GMT
#196
Great article. Thanks for the effort!
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ThezelAudacity
Profile Joined June 2011
United States30 Posts
March 27 2013 23:19 GMT
#197
Thanks, Ver! Your timing is unbelievable, as I've just been describing sAviOr's play for a friend of mine in the last week and linking games to him. It's fascinating to me that the innovations he made aren't only the backbone of BW zerg, but are also the premise from which SC2 zerg works, even if that development is still in its relative youth stages.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
March 27 2013 23:24 GMT
#198
Ridiculously good articles. Even knowing all of the history, it's still a pleasure to read with such adept writing/organization.

I recommend SC2 players who have never played BW start by reading Part 1 up until Maneuvering, then reading Part 2 until 3-hatch muta, then finishing Part 1 before finishing Part 2. It'll give you an appreciation for the background before you look at the specific tactics. The tactics may seem simpler than they really are until you appreciate the circumstances of how difficult the game is mechanically and strategically.
SaWse
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium102 Posts
March 27 2013 23:26 GMT
#199
amazing read.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 27 2013 23:30 GMT
#200
Sick sick article, thanks a ton for doing this :D
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
March 27 2013 23:31 GMT
#201
Great job ver great way to finish up part 1
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cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 27 2013 23:31 GMT
#202
Yay I have been waiting for this for awhile! Great read, thanks for taking the time to write this up. <3
Greed leads to just about all losses.
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
March 27 2013 23:35 GMT
#203
OMG IT HAPPENED. Two long and painful years of waiting, but this was so worth every single day. Truly unbelievable work, Ver. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you <3

One small thing though, I swear I thought that Part 2 was going to be about his ZvP. Is it just me?

On March 28 2013 05:00 lethyl wrote:
Amazing article, I wonder if there will be an oov article in the future.

The following two final edits are a good introduction to how awesome oov was as a player. But my favourite piece about him, the piece that actually made me fall for TL and follow Proleague (immortalised in my sig to further spread the love), was this one. It is no coincidence that it was also written by Ver.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 23:38:02
March 27 2013 23:37 GMT
#204
woops dp
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
March 27 2013 23:48 GMT
#205
Ver's writing always gives me a boner.
Commentator
SeeDLiNg
Profile Joined January 2010
United States690 Posts
March 28 2013 00:00 GMT
#206
LOVE
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
March 28 2013 00:02 GMT
#207
No matter what he did OOG, his in-game performances forever changed my life, and am still a fan.

Literally... would trade a limb to see him play SC2 professionally... even tho I know its not possible especially now that Gom is involved...

but seriously... EG.Savior ZOMGAE:FARFL:AKERMGFLKERG

one can only dream =(

<3 you Maestro!
cskalias.pbe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States293 Posts
March 28 2013 00:05 GMT
#208
Thank you so much. I've been eagerly waiting for this since the first article and it was worth it
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 00:15:00
March 28 2013 00:14 GMT
#209
Oh my jesus. It's out. Absolutely exquisite article

The wait was worth it many times over. Thank you Ver.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
March 28 2013 00:30 GMT
#210
This is epic!
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
March 28 2013 00:33 GMT
#211
I really love Savior, one of my cherished memories was meeting him at Blizzcon 08'.

I was outside the hilton the day before it started, doing pre-registration shit and the fucking BUS pulls up and effort/skyhigh/Savior and others start pooring out. I was like OMFG, hello WELCOME haha. Told them I was big fan and introduced myself to everyone... I was the first crazy white person they met lol.

It was nice of them to come hang out with the TL crew during the OSL finals also.

Anyways, fuck the haters. Ma Jae Yoon for life....
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 00:47:39
March 28 2013 00:45 GMT
#212
On March 28 2013 09:33 Pufftrees wrote:
I really love Savior, one of my cherished memories was meeting him at Blizzcon 08'.

I was outside the hilton the day before it started, doing pre-registration shit and the fucking BUS pulls up and effort/skyhigh/Savior and others start pooring out. I was like OMFG, hello WELCOME haha. Told them I was big fan and introduced myself to everyone... I was the first crazy white person they met lol.

It was nice of them to come hang out with the TL crew during the OSL finals also.

Anyways, fuck the haters. Ma Jae Yoon for life....

i agree with you, Savior was a great player, i think it's wrong from TL to almost ban the word Savior in any thread or something like that, now we can't even watch re streams of him on TL. i hope they change their decision, Savior has apologized of his terrible mistake, it don't hurt e-sport to show games of him or making thread about him. TL has put so much hate on Savior that many were influenced by them to hate on Savior(that's why i think, and believe). I hope they stop that kind of behavior towards Savior, because it's even Childish
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Iwik
Profile Joined March 2013
57 Posts
March 28 2013 00:47 GMT
#213
fantastic read. i had read part 1 but had forgotten about it...and i was happy to read it again before part 2 ;D

thanks very much ver! <3
i admit there was a time in my life that i thought that putting my birthday in my username was cool
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
March 28 2013 01:01 GMT
#214
no damn way, it happened!

godly formatting and all *O*!
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mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
March 28 2013 01:14 GMT
#215
Thanks. Great read.
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
March 28 2013 01:21 GMT
#216
My goodness, great read. I came in expecting to skim and I found myself going word to word- end to end.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
March 28 2013 01:21 GMT
#217
Incredible read.
Long live the King of Wings
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
March 28 2013 01:25 GMT
#218
On March 28 2013 09:45 Sum41 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 09:33 Pufftrees wrote:
I really love Savior, one of my cherished memories was meeting him at Blizzcon 08'.

I was outside the hilton the day before it started, doing pre-registration shit and the fucking BUS pulls up and effort/skyhigh/Savior and others start pooring out. I was like OMFG, hello WELCOME haha. Told them I was big fan and introduced myself to everyone... I was the first crazy white person they met lol.

It was nice of them to come hang out with the TL crew during the OSL finals also.

Anyways, fuck the haters. Ma Jae Yoon for life....

i agree with you, Savior was a great player, i think it's wrong from TL to almost ban the word Savior in any thread or something like that, now we can't even watch re streams of him on TL. i hope they change their decision, Savior has apologized of his terrible mistake, it don't hurt e-sport to show games of him or making thread about him. TL has put so much hate on Savior that many were influenced by them to hate on Savior(that's why i think, and believe). I hope they stop that kind of behavior towards Savior, because it's even Childish

He definitely shouldn't be streamed on here. It wasn't a terrible 'mistake', he made his choice and profited off it for some time. His actions were despicable and betrayed his fellow players and tarnished the entire BW scene. He basically took a huge shit on everyone (and the sponsors) who'd worked so hard to build BW as a legitimate e-sport in Korea (Boxer, Oov, Carrier etc.) just watch the video here: (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127037) and deserves a life ban from any Starcraft scene. He won 3 MSL's, performing on one of the biggest stages for substantial prizemoney. He took that privilege (the dreams of many low-paid A and unpaid B teamers) and basically ensured none could follow. The end of the MSL and starcraft on MBC has Savior firmly to blame. Matchfixing is pretty bad in the West but in Korea it's almost unthinkable and sponsors simply won't go near it.

Anyway, it's a great article but I'm still uncomfortable seeing Savior glorified after what he did. Perhaps there should be a 3rd part detailing his fall?
Yhamm is the god of predictions
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
March 28 2013 01:25 GMT
#219
really realy nice.

Thx for that ! will rewatch lots of game in this article.
n_n
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
March 28 2013 01:28 GMT
#220
Back in the day when none of my friends knew about esports I would sit up at night watching this guy play. I miss those times Fantastic writeup!
Dead girls don't say no.
elmerpogs
Profile Joined August 2011
Philippines441 Posts
March 28 2013 01:28 GMT
#221
At long last a good read. But before reading Im going to comment first. Such a beautiful article
SKT [img]http://i.imgur.com/1NuGXvx.png[/img] is still the best [img]http://i.imgur.com/MsxcOXX.png[/img]
Uglymutt
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia57 Posts
March 28 2013 01:32 GMT
#222
Thank you for finishing this! A good read with great analysis.
BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
March 28 2013 01:38 GMT
#223
Fucking insane read. Great job!
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
March 28 2013 01:41 GMT
#224
wowowwowow!!
Jaedong <3
SandwichApoc
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States115 Posts
March 28 2013 01:43 GMT
#225
Awesome! Been waiting for this one for a long time!
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
March 28 2013 01:44 GMT
#226
I didn't think I would see this being written

I can die happy now.
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
March 28 2013 01:44 GMT
#227
Finally part 2! <3 Ver.
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
HaniStream
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada50 Posts
March 28 2013 01:48 GMT
#228
omfg it's here! it's gonna be the best read of the year
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
March 28 2013 01:56 GMT
#229
Wonderful!
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
March 28 2013 02:03 GMT
#230
Just finished this and .. as expected... it was amazing!

Hope some "youngsters" learn about the greatest gamer ever... who is still judged so harshly by sheltered people who won't even consider how they would react in his situation and peers.

+ Show Spoiler +
Who knows how they would react to the opportunity to match fix for extra money? None of us know his exact circumstance in dealing with the 'gangstas' setting up match fixing but at his age and with his lifestyle... who + Show Spoiler +
the fuck
are you to judge him!?
I mean banning him from Esports... of course you have to do this. Banning him from the history books... sure go for it. But don't judge him like you are morally better than him!
Chance favors the prepared mind.
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
March 28 2013 02:04 GMT
#231
OH MY GOD I LOVE YOU. CAN'T WAIT TO READ THIS. :DDDDDD
this is better than christmas
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 28 2013 02:07 GMT
#232
wow, after all my hounding I finally get to read this bad boy.

Thanks Ver!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 04:58:08
March 28 2013 02:16 GMT
#233
i think i'll just skip to the part where he gets owned by bisu

savior sux diq

+ Show Spoiler +
jk good work ver & shiro ^^
Writer:o
Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
March 28 2013 02:35 GMT
#234
such a shame someone with so much intelligence about the game fell from it so hard.

While he may have never been able to teach his skills, his analytical side and understanding of the game is arguably something that could have been more important for up and coming players.

if only we could have seen him in SC2.
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
March 28 2013 02:38 GMT
#235
great, great read!
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
March 28 2013 02:47 GMT
#236
God, finally. So relieving! I'll start reading when I get home :D
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Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
March 28 2013 02:53 GMT
#237
I almost just shed a man tear. Savior forever. Thank you for finishing this write up!
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 03:12:39
March 28 2013 02:55 GMT
#238
good effort
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
March 28 2013 03:25 GMT
#239
This was amazing great job
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
March 28 2013 03:26 GMT
#240
Amazing article. Thank you so much for your great effort.
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 28 2013 03:31 GMT
#241
i was actually talking to myself yesterday just as I got back back home from school that i missed broodwar and all the tournaments and stuff. so its actually really delightful to have part 2 released for me! best thing that has happened to me all week!
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 28 2013 03:33 GMT
#242
I remember when I joined TL, the first part of this article came out not long after, and inspired me to read the rest of the final edits. Absolutely loved it, and this one is no exception.
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vitruvia
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada235 Posts
March 28 2013 03:49 GMT
#243
Waxangel might have said some necessary things in that mod edit, we can't get too political here at teamliquid.
what quote?
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 03:56:53
March 28 2013 03:55 GMT
#244
That was a really neat article. I'm a big believer that Starcraft is much more of a game of strategy than mechanics, and that rings especially true with my mechanics not being so hot, yet I've been able to take games off some really good players. While I had no idea who Savior was before this point, it seems his play reflected this idea.

It is also interesting me the title wins by race. It reminds me so much of SC2, particularly since Terran has the most overall, and Protoss is last. Seems like the more things that change, the more stay the same...
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 28 2013 04:02 GMT
#245
YES THANK YOU SO MUCH :D
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
March 28 2013 04:08 GMT
#246
--- Nuked ---
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
March 28 2013 04:12 GMT
#247
Amazing article. Paints such a clear picture of just how much a badass Savior was in his heyday.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
March 28 2013 04:20 GMT
#248
I've been craving for this article thank you!!!!!!!

I found it super interesting that he practiced with Terran to get better at ZvT. Savior is brilliant.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
joohyunee
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Korea (South)1087 Posts
March 28 2013 04:42 GMT
#249
I really enjoyed the ending remarks, sums up my feelings about sAviOr so well. HE was the one who got me into progaming. HE was the one that inspired the term BONJWA in the first place. HE was untouchable in no way that Flash/JD/Bisu ever was. It's true, his mechanics are horrible. I think he had something like 240ish apm at this peak vs people like NADA who consistently hit 400+ in games..

Also, I'm really honored for a piece of translation I did years ago reappear like this, never would've thought it'd be featured as news in this way. hahah

Sad that I don't follow progaming as much after the match fixing scandal - when the sAviOr of zerg died, so did my love for progaming...
Spacekyod
Profile Joined December 2010
United States818 Posts
March 28 2013 04:47 GMT
#250
I can't believe i read the whole thing. So much strategy and tactics involved, really simple things that i already know but just don't do. And i say to myself, this is so simple and easy, why don't i do it. Then i realize i can't macro and micro that well, and my own strategical genius wilts away. LOL. While reading this, it's made me wonder how many progamers have done a bit of reading up on historical wars, and mimicked tactics used in those battles.
Riders of the Plastic Groove. "When all-in fails, all-in again!" Finally... Make way for the real DONG!
Beezleking
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada91 Posts
March 28 2013 04:55 GMT
#251
Im so glad this is out finally! Will be an amazing read :D
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
March 28 2013 05:00 GMT
#252
Wow amazing analysis, I read like halfway through and skipped to the end. As someone who only saw Savior after his peak it's very elucidating to understand why he was considered so good. Even then I was impressed by his charisma as one of the first people I saw who really acted the part of a champion, even if he was past his prime (I will destroy everyone in 2009..). And I kind of wish Blizzard had put lurkers into HotS instead of Swarm Hosts. The thing is that you might think that swarm hosts can control space just as well as lurkers, but that's not the case at all because they don't have the burst damage output to really punish a bad move out. Also, lurkers have the tactical ability of holding fire for the right moment, whereas with Swarm hosts you have no incentive to do so. But I guess burrowed banelings should be filling that role, and I think it's a little surprising that even after almost 3 years of SC2 they're not that common.

I wonder how many progamers these days offrace, I know quite a few do so when streaming to hide their true skill, but I doubt anyone offraces more than their main race. It's really cool to see how Savior got into his opponent's head with such great effect. It's a damn shame he did what he did, and I can't forgive him for the damage he caused to the scene in Korea, but I can't not respect his sheer intelligence. Maestro
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
APerfectDay
Profile Joined March 2013
11 Posts
March 28 2013 05:16 GMT
#253
--- Nuked ---
Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
March 28 2013 05:20 GMT
#254
Not going to lie, been waiting a long time for this. Will read it just now. Glad it came before I died. loved the other one, and I didn't even watch BW.
If I were a rich man, I wouldn't be here
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
March 28 2013 05:25 GMT
#255
hell, its about time
fromis_9 enjoyer
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 28 2013 05:31 GMT
#256
That was such an amazing read (just like Part 1). Thanks for the article; I really enjoyed it.

I know others have asked this in thread, but I didn't see an answer. I'm really interested to know if any modern-day progamers do significant offracing to prepare for opponents or to discover timings like Savior did.
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
March 28 2013 05:37 GMT
#257
ah brings a tear to my eye.

so bittersweet reading about savior

great writing and even better analysis.
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
March 28 2013 05:40 GMT
#258
On March 28 2013 09:45 Sum41 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 09:33 Pufftrees wrote:
I really love Savior, one of my cherished memories was meeting him at Blizzcon 08'.

I was outside the hilton the day before it started, doing pre-registration shit and the fucking BUS pulls up and effort/skyhigh/Savior and others start pooring out. I was like OMFG, hello WELCOME haha. Told them I was big fan and introduced myself to everyone... I was the first crazy white person they met lol.

It was nice of them to come hang out with the TL crew during the OSL finals also.

Anyways, fuck the haters. Ma Jae Yoon for life....

i agree with you, Savior was a great player, i think it's wrong from TL to almost ban the word Savior in any thread or something like that, now we can't even watch re streams of him on TL. i hope they change their decision, Savior has apologized of his terrible mistake, it don't hurt e-sport to show games of him or making thread about him. TL has put so much hate on Savior that many were influenced by them to hate on Savior(that's why i think, and believe). I hope they stop that kind of behavior towards Savior, because it's even Childish

He never apologized. Fucking scum.
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
March 28 2013 06:01 GMT
#259
Holy shiiiiit! This is going to be so awesome to read to night.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
March 28 2013 06:03 GMT
#260
Terrific article, easily one of the best I've ever read on this site.

As someone who never got into professional Brood War, I never knew Savior more than the player who was guilty for match-fixing. I didn't know that he was responsible for single-handedly changed the zerg meta game.
Spread your eggs until they crack!
nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
March 28 2013 06:25 GMT
#261
<3 excellent work ver! just finished reading. man, makes me wish i was good at brood war
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Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
March 28 2013 06:46 GMT
#262
He even played a TvZ againts GoRush as far as I can remember.
Give thanks and praise!
nerium
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Philippines512 Posts
March 28 2013 07:02 GMT
#263
Thanks for bringing part 2 up! I never thought I'll see this day.
Lulz is a corrupted version of LOL
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
March 28 2013 07:09 GMT
#264
AMAZING!!!
EuroElf
Profile Joined January 2010
Croatia19 Posts
March 28 2013 07:27 GMT
#265
gj Ver. I go play BW after this...
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
March 28 2013 07:29 GMT
#266
Man, I really wish BW was still on top...
Liquid`HayprO
Profile Joined March 2003
Iraq1230 Posts
March 28 2013 07:56 GMT
#267
Savior was sooo good!
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[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 08:02:04
March 28 2013 08:01 GMT
#268
It still feels strange when this opus magnum praises Savior, who was rather a destroyer.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
March 28 2013 08:15 GMT
#269
On March 28 2013 16:56 Liquid`HayprO wrote:
Savior was sooo good!

This car is to big for this forum
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
March 28 2013 08:30 GMT
#270
Finally finished reading it. Awesome read + Show Spoiler +
that makes me more optimistic for SC2. Somebody will change the game yet.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
salito
Profile Joined May 2010
1647 Posts
March 28 2013 08:33 GMT
#271
ver is a wizard
Nature moves in the shortest way possible.
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
March 28 2013 08:42 GMT
#272
wow that was a long read
Sc2 always got your back
Nerfed
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation1132 Posts
March 28 2013 08:47 GMT
#273
the second part is out. finally, yyyeees!
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
March 28 2013 09:18 GMT
#274
This is the greatest writeup I've read. Thank you so much for this ! I didn't followed in live the sAviOr era, since I started to follow the pro-gaming scene in 2008. So it's really interesting. I didn't realised how much sAviOr was a monster.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 09:23:42
March 28 2013 09:23 GMT
#275
holy shit..

this looks..

amazing xDDDD

SO MUCH STUFF !!!
T H C makes ppl happy
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
March 28 2013 09:28 GMT
#276
OMG FINALLY
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Profile Joined August 2011
535 Posts
March 28 2013 09:32 GMT
#277
I don't even follow BW and I ended up reading the whole damn thing this morning. It's so fascinating to read about the evolution of strategies in the BW timeline. It's probably what made it so exciting for so many people :o
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
March 28 2013 09:34 GMT
#278
I haven't finished reading it all yet. I am about halfway through and enjoying it a lot! I just skimmed through part 1 when it first came out and because I only became interested in the Broodwar scene in 2010 I never got the chance to live the Savior moments of glory. I never had the faintest idea that he was so revolutionary. Thanks so much for making the effort of writing out this fine piece of writing.
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
March 28 2013 09:36 GMT
#279
On March 28 2013 16:27 EuroElf wrote:
gj Ver. I go play BW after this...

This extravagant article gave me the urge to do the same
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Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
March 28 2013 09:44 GMT
#280
On March 28 2013 18:36 NeThZOR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 16:27 EuroElf wrote:
gj Ver. I go play BW after this...

This extravagant article gave me the urge to do the same


Nethzor, if you're interested in playing BW for the long run, give me a PM - we've got a small community of friends from South Africa that still play BW from time to time. I'll add you to our Facebook group
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
March 28 2013 10:03 GMT
#281
Sick, that's my evening right there.
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Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
March 28 2013 10:28 GMT
#282
As a sidenote, can we hope to get wallpapers based on the main theme just like Part 1?
+ Show Spoiler +

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Cauldron
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland125 Posts
March 28 2013 10:48 GMT
#283
Amazing work
r1flEx
Profile Joined October 2012
Belgium256 Posts
March 28 2013 11:32 GMT
#284
i've been waiting for this for so long. finally it's time. cu tomorrow cause i think it'll take me a whole day to get through this
thx ver!
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
March 28 2013 13:01 GMT
#285
two years, two goddamn years and it's here. Thank you Ver, amazing as always.
Flyingsnow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Japan208 Posts
March 28 2013 13:24 GMT
#286
Fantastic read!

How I do remember those times. He just made anyone and everyone look stupid. Especially protoss players. I remember EVERY single one of the old heroes falling every time. Watching him was just like....well what could you possibly do? Everything you think of has already been accounted for. Your only option was to lose.
lionelshi
Profile Joined December 2012
China5 Posts
March 28 2013 13:34 GMT
#287
Great one! Can't wait to see
Yeah
Adron
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands839 Posts
March 28 2013 13:37 GMT
#288
Im loving this, seems like yesterday
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
March 28 2013 13:46 GMT
#289
Wow, has it been 2 years already since part 1?

Great insight of an evil genius.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3397 Posts
March 28 2013 14:06 GMT
#290
Amazing article, thanks ! ;D
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dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
March 28 2013 14:30 GMT
#291
Wow, just wow. Another awesome article.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
March 28 2013 14:31 GMT
#292
FINALLYYYYYYYY
MythZero
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)102 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 14:41:03
March 28 2013 14:36 GMT
#293
As we cherish Savior's glory days, let's once again listen to his main theme.


+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +
Korean Version
Calm
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada380 Posts
March 28 2013 14:43 GMT
#294
Amazing article, thanks for writing this!

More than anything, this makes me miss lurkers =/
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44317 Posts
March 28 2013 15:24 GMT
#295
Holy shit O.O

This article is amazing Thanks for writing this!
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ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
March 28 2013 15:30 GMT
#296
God I want to save this in an offline version so that I can refer to it forever.
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ShiniSama
Profile Joined November 2011
United States103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 15:49:09
March 28 2013 15:42 GMT
#297
Can't wait to read this, I just re-read part one; so I am not going to dive into this one just yet, thats a lot of reading . But this one should be just as good, and I think people should realize how influential sAviOr was to the game and stop hating him just because he made a stupid mistake. Everyone makes them. And everyone is throwing around the word despicable I wouldn't say he deserves that much hate, despicable is a pretty harsh word and since I live in a country where things much worse happen on a daily bases compared to this I guess I am a bit desensitized to something like this.


Either way awesome job Ver.

Edit: clarification?
EZPZ
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
March 28 2013 16:04 GMT
#298
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
connoisseur
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 28 2013 16:16 GMT
#299
I was wondering why this took so long.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 28 2013 17:26 GMT
#300
ver my hero
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
.Rogueonerfed.
Profile Joined June 2012
Hungary63 Posts
March 28 2013 18:00 GMT
#301
Wow,this was awesome!
*,..,*
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
March 28 2013 18:04 GMT
#302
Damn.

Even as a Revolutionist fan, I can't do anything but respect Savior's game. It's tragic, what he did after, but I'd like to think that Oov's analysis of him was correct: he was a kid who was too good at a game, who began to lose sight of PLAYING it and instead was lured into profiting from it.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 28 2013 18:17 GMT
#303
It's unfortunate that he won't be allowed to play SC2. Bisu needs somebody he can beat.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
March 28 2013 18:19 GMT
#304
About time!
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 18:24:19
March 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#305
Worth the wait, what a solid article Ver.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
March 28 2013 19:05 GMT
#306
I love you Ver. Thank you.

Ma Bonjwa, never forget ;;
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 28 2013 19:16 GMT
#307
Glad this is finally out. Amazing work, needless to say.
I hope you're still planning to write that Flash article Ver
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
March 28 2013 19:40 GMT
#308
If I count correctly, the second titles graph is incorrect. It shows 5 titles for Protoss while there were 6:
3 MSLs for Bisu
1 OSL for Stork
2 OSLs for JangBi.

I suspect the article was created before last (BW) OSL final...?
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
March 28 2013 19:55 GMT
#309
Amazing read!
Long live BroodWar!
Farehnheit
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada42 Posts
March 28 2013 19:57 GMT
#310
soo goo!
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
March 28 2013 20:02 GMT
#311
In ZvT, the most common Zerg openings up until Savior were with lurkers, usually from 2 hatcheries. Many players made large numbers of zerglings early game to threaten the Terran or to keep themselves safe. Mutalisks were frequently used but they were often delayed. Zerg usually only felt safe getting mutalisks after first obtaining lurkers.


That's not a bad description of July's zvt circa 2004, but it's not how most people played the matchup.

For years, the standard zvt looked more like this:
+ Show Spoiler +
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
March 28 2013 21:14 GMT
#312
:tears: that is awesome stuff...
"The voices are back. Excellent." Dexter Morgan
Mr. Black
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
March 28 2013 21:20 GMT
#313
Amazing article throughout. It makes a lot of sense (in hindsight) that playing Terran would make someone good at figuring out ways to defeat Terrans, but given the mechanical complexity of BW, it's hard to imagine that a progamer would think that playing Terran was a better use of his time than practicing his Zerg mechanics. I love that, even as a pro, he still could play the game for fun (as Terran) and that what started as essentially goofing around became a key ingredient in his success.
Make more anything.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 21:45:55
March 28 2013 21:40 GMT
#314
To all those people who moan about how awesome it would be if Savior went to SCII:

1. Why are you assuming that he would even want to play SCII?
2. What makes you think that SCII has the same depth of play that such innovation could be possible?

Seriously though, as much as I read this article and want to believe that such innovation could happen in SCII I just don't see it happening at all...Not to mention the fact that it already happened!

To elaborate a bit:

I'm saying two things here. One is that SCII lacks the depth of BW, so such levels of innovation just won't be possible. The other is that SCII progamers already carry 10 or so years of experience with them, meaning that such a drastic innovation will very likely not happen again...
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
March 28 2013 22:27 GMT
#315
On March 29 2013 06:40 Qwyn wrote:
To all those people who moan about how awesome it would be if Savior went to SCII:

1. Why are you assuming that he would even want to play SCII?
2. What makes you think that SCII has the same depth of play that such innovation could be possible?

Seriously though, as much as I read this article and want to believe that such innovation could happen in SCII I just don't see it happening at all...Not to mention the fact that it already happened!

To elaborate a bit:

I'm saying two things here. One is that SCII lacks the depth of BW, so such levels of innovation just won't be possible. The other is that SCII progamers already carry 10 or so years of experience with them, meaning that such a drastic innovation will very likely not happen again...

Also just because sAviOr was god in Brood War doesn't necessarily translate into godhood in SC2.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
March 29 2013 00:02 GMT
#316
so good...
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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
March 29 2013 00:21 GMT
#317
This is amazing. I will read this later. I remember your article "How to Improve" I have it printed and read it in school way back then, Keep up the good job!
AKMU / IU
imperfek
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia160 Posts
March 29 2013 01:23 GMT
#318
yes ! finally

best article on TL
UNBOWED, UNBENT, UNBROKEN
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
March 29 2013 01:48 GMT
#319
About goddamn time, been waiting ever since the release of part 1

thanks Ver, this is really really damn good
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
March 29 2013 03:02 GMT
#320
On March 29 2013 07:27 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:40 Qwyn wrote:
To all those people who moan about how awesome it would be if Savior went to SCII:

1. Why are you assuming that he would even want to play SCII?
2. What makes you think that SCII has the same depth of play that such innovation could be possible?

Seriously though, as much as I read this article and want to believe that such innovation could happen in SCII I just don't see it happening at all...Not to mention the fact that it already happened!

To elaborate a bit:

I'm saying two things here. One is that SCII lacks the depth of BW, so such levels of innovation just won't be possible. The other is that SCII progamers already carry 10 or so years of experience with them, meaning that such a drastic innovation will very likely not happen again...

Also just because sAviOr was god in Brood War doesn't necessarily translate into godhood in SC2.

It generally does (if he was the same age), his skillset would really favour a less mechanically demanding (but very similar) RTS.
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Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
March 29 2013 06:11 GMT
#321
Amazing article.

I can't explain how much I miss Savior's play... It just didn't seem possible. That three muta meat shield against Nada to stall for the lurkers... that's just unreal.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
March 29 2013 07:25 GMT
#322
jesus christ!!!
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
gplayer
Profile Joined March 2011
Romania106 Posts
March 29 2013 10:04 GMT
#323
Just an awesome read! Great job Ver!
effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
March 29 2013 10:41 GMT
#324
Actually this is an incredible good read, gj !
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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
March 29 2013 15:16 GMT
#325
Awesome article as always.
Great read
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 15:37:18
March 29 2013 15:34 GMT
#326
Thank you so much for explaning things in a way I would have missed or be confused as to why and how it happened.

I've known that savior practised as T but only until now have I understood its full advantages

I would be talking about this article to my grandchildren
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LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1454 Posts
March 29 2013 20:04 GMT
#327
I was hoping this would cover his ZvZ and ZvP

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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 23:09:34
March 29 2013 22:59 GMT
#328
Well ZvT is what savior was known for destroying at
Finished reading this yesterday night...I think the 1st one was better but thats just cuz they're both so amazing
Thank you so much for this Ver! I really hope to see more great articles from you sometime in the future
Also is savior still streaming? Where/when can I find him?
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10155 Posts
March 30 2013 00:25 GMT
#329
omfg this read is fucking unreal. im proud to say i read through every detail and every word. this really improves my own play as i realize how to think more like a progamer.

amazing read. thank you.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 30 2013 01:35 GMT
#330
Amazing article! Both parts were awesome to read and then watch the vods to see if all play out. That quick lurker defense with the mutas was nuts. In hindsight, a lot of these strategies would be consider normal as in logical enough to do but when you consider how demanding BW is and how fast he processed then it makes them all that much more difficult and unreal! Hopefully there is a part 3 coming soon! :D
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
March 30 2013 02:37 GMT
#331
On March 29 2013 12:02 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 07:27 nimdil wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:40 Qwyn wrote:
To all those people who moan about how awesome it would be if Savior went to SCII:

1. Why are you assuming that he would even want to play SCII?
2. What makes you think that SCII has the same depth of play that such innovation could be possible?

Seriously though, as much as I read this article and want to believe that such innovation could happen in SCII I just don't see it happening at all...Not to mention the fact that it already happened!

To elaborate a bit:

I'm saying two things here. One is that SCII lacks the depth of BW, so such levels of innovation just won't be possible. The other is that SCII progamers already carry 10 or so years of experience with them, meaning that such a drastic innovation will very likely not happen again...

Also just because sAviOr was god in Brood War doesn't necessarily translate into godhood in SC2.

It generally does (if he was the same age), his skillset would really favour a less mechanically demanding (but very similar) RTS.


Along with the decreased mechanical demand, comes less depth. So no, I don't really think he would be at near the same level, but hey, it's all just talk.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
March 30 2013 03:44 GMT
#332
On March 28 2013 11:16 Kiett wrote:
i think i'll just skip to the part where he gets owned by bisu

savior sux diq

+ Show Spoiler +
jk good work ver & shiro ^^

And this guy doesn't get banned because he's from TL Staff?, what a joke is your law and rules gentlemen from TL
Hydralisk so fasts and dangerous :D
Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
March 30 2013 03:51 GMT
#333
On March 28 2013 14:40 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 09:45 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:33 Pufftrees wrote:
I really love Savior, one of my cherished memories was meeting him at Blizzcon 08'.

I was outside the hilton the day before it started, doing pre-registration shit and the fucking BUS pulls up and effort/skyhigh/Savior and others start pooring out. I was like OMFG, hello WELCOME haha. Told them I was big fan and introduced myself to everyone... I was the first crazy white person they met lol.

It was nice of them to come hang out with the TL crew during the OSL finals also.

Anyways, fuck the haters. Ma Jae Yoon for life....

i agree with you, Savior was a great player, i think it's wrong from TL to almost ban the word Savior in any thread or something like that, now we can't even watch re streams of him on TL. i hope they change their decision, Savior has apologized of his terrible mistake, it don't hurt e-sport to show games of him or making thread about him. TL has put so much hate on Savior that many were influenced by them to hate on Savior(that's why i think, and believe). I hope they stop that kind of behavior towards Savior, because it's even Childish

He never apologized. Fucking scum.

He did, he wrote a letter, to E-Sports fans about how many he apologized about what he did, you need to learn more ignorant, and i thought it was prohibited to insult other menbers and you let this dude insult because he does articles for TL, how fair that is -.-?
Hydralisk so fasts and dangerous :D
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
March 30 2013 04:14 GMT
#334
There is no staff bias here. Anyone is free to think that Savior's actions are unforgivable.
AdministratorNot actually Hawaiian.
kjwcj
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia1064 Posts
March 30 2013 04:24 GMT
#335
On March 30 2013 12:51 Sum41 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 14:40 Epoxide wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:45 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:33 Pufftrees wrote:
I really love Savior, one of my cherished memories was meeting him at Blizzcon 08'.

I was outside the hilton the day before it started, doing pre-registration shit and the fucking BUS pulls up and effort/skyhigh/Savior and others start pooring out. I was like OMFG, hello WELCOME haha. Told them I was big fan and introduced myself to everyone... I was the first crazy white person they met lol.

It was nice of them to come hang out with the TL crew during the OSL finals also.

Anyways, fuck the haters. Ma Jae Yoon for life....

i agree with you, Savior was a great player, i think it's wrong from TL to almost ban the word Savior in any thread or something like that, now we can't even watch re streams of him on TL. i hope they change their decision, Savior has apologized of his terrible mistake, it don't hurt e-sport to show games of him or making thread about him. TL has put so much hate on Savior that many were influenced by them to hate on Savior(that's why i think, and believe). I hope they stop that kind of behavior towards Savior, because it's even Childish

He never apologized. Fucking scum.

He did, he wrote a letter, to E-Sports fans about how many he apologized about what he did, you need to learn more ignorant, and i thought it was prohibited to insult other menbers and you let this dude insult because he does articles for TL, how fair that is -.-?


Yeah, poor Savior. He was in too deep and he was just trying to keep up above in his head, instead of going under again.
Writer
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
March 30 2013 08:12 GMT
#336
Fantastic article Ver, you do my favorite player justice
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
March 30 2013 09:54 GMT
#337
On March 30 2013 12:51 Sum41 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 14:40 Epoxide wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:45 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:33 Pufftrees wrote:
I really love Savior, one of my cherished memories was meeting him at Blizzcon 08'.

I was outside the hilton the day before it started, doing pre-registration shit and the fucking BUS pulls up and effort/skyhigh/Savior and others start pooring out. I was like OMFG, hello WELCOME haha. Told them I was big fan and introduced myself to everyone... I was the first crazy white person they met lol.

It was nice of them to come hang out with the TL crew during the OSL finals also.

Anyways, fuck the haters. Ma Jae Yoon for life....

i agree with you, Savior was a great player, i think it's wrong from TL to almost ban the word Savior in any thread or something like that, now we can't even watch re streams of him on TL. i hope they change their decision, Savior has apologized of his terrible mistake, it don't hurt e-sport to show games of him or making thread about him. TL has put so much hate on Savior that many were influenced by them to hate on Savior(that's why i think, and believe). I hope they stop that kind of behavior towards Savior, because it's even Childish

He never apologized. Fucking scum.

He did, he wrote a letter, to E-Sports fans about how many he apologized about what he did, you need to learn more ignorant, and i thought it was prohibited to insult other menbers and you let this dude insult because he does articles for TL, how fair that is -.-?

Are you serious? He never such a thing as an apology letter. Out of all the match fixers he is the one that has still yet to do that. Also I never insulted you. I called sAviOr scum.
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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 18:34:35
March 30 2013 18:31 GMT
#338
On March 30 2013 12:44 Sum41 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 11:16 Kiett wrote:
i think i'll just skip to the part where he gets owned by bisu

savior sux diq

+ Show Spoiler +
jk good work ver & shiro ^^

And this guy doesn't get banned because he's from TL Staff?, what a joke is your law and rules gentlemen from TL

Pretty sure Kiett is female...but don't be pissed at her she's just mad that sAviOr killed all those Protosses :o

On March 30 2013 12:51 Sum41 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 14:40 Epoxide wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:45 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:33 Pufftrees wrote:
I really love Savior, one of my cherished memories was meeting him at Blizzcon 08'.

I was outside the hilton the day before it started, doing pre-registration shit and the fucking BUS pulls up and effort/skyhigh/Savior and others start pooring out. I was like OMFG, hello WELCOME haha. Told them I was big fan and introduced myself to everyone... I was the first crazy white person they met lol.

It was nice of them to come hang out with the TL crew during the OSL finals also.

Anyways, fuck the haters. Ma Jae Yoon for life....

i agree with you, Savior was a great player, i think it's wrong from TL to almost ban the word Savior in any thread or something like that, now we can't even watch re streams of him on TL. i hope they change their decision, Savior has apologized of his terrible mistake, it don't hurt e-sport to show games of him or making thread about him. TL has put so much hate on Savior that many were influenced by them to hate on Savior(that's why i think, and believe). I hope they stop that kind of behavior towards Savior, because it's even Childish

He never apologized. Fucking scum.

He did, he wrote a letter, to E-Sports fans about how many he apologized about what he did, you need to learn more ignorant, and i thought it was prohibited to insult other menbers and you let this dude insult because he does articles for TL, how fair that is -.-?

I dunno if he did or not but I really hope that what you're saying is true because I love sAviOr's play and dominance, despite as was written "his shortcomings as a person"...
Do you have a link to the letter or anything?
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Darkshark
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany27 Posts
March 30 2013 19:48 GMT
#339
I was never in BW that much, but this articel was just amazing. I really enjoyed it.
Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 20:16:18
March 30 2013 20:12 GMT
#340
On March 31 2013 03:31 traceurling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 12:44 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 11:16 Kiett wrote:
i think i'll just skip to the part where he gets owned by bisu

savior sux diq

+ Show Spoiler +
jk good work ver & shiro ^^

And this guy doesn't get banned because he's from TL Staff?, what a joke is your law and rules gentlemen from TL

Pretty sure Kiett is female...but don't be pissed at her she's just mad that sAviOr killed all those Protosses :o

Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 12:51 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 14:40 Epoxide wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:45 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:33 Pufftrees wrote:
I really love Savior, one of my cherished memories was meeting him at Blizzcon 08'.

I was outside the hilton the day before it started, doing pre-registration shit and the fucking BUS pulls up and effort/skyhigh/Savior and others start pooring out. I was like OMFG, hello WELCOME haha. Told them I was big fan and introduced myself to everyone... I was the first crazy white person they met lol.

It was nice of them to come hang out with the TL crew during the OSL finals also.

Anyways, fuck the haters. Ma Jae Yoon for life....

i agree with you, Savior was a great player, i think it's wrong from TL to almost ban the word Savior in any thread or something like that, now we can't even watch re streams of him on TL. i hope they change their decision, Savior has apologized of his terrible mistake, it don't hurt e-sport to show games of him or making thread about him. TL has put so much hate on Savior that many were influenced by them to hate on Savior(that's why i think, and believe). I hope they stop that kind of behavior towards Savior, because it's even Childish

He never apologized. Fucking scum.

He did, he wrote a letter, to E-Sports fans about how many he apologized about what he did, you need to learn more ignorant, and i thought it was prohibited to insult other menbers and you let this dude insult because he does articles for TL, how fair that is -.-?

I dunno if he did or not but I really hope that what you're saying is true because I love sAviOr's play and dominance, despite as was written "his shortcomings as a person"...
Do you have a link to the letter or anything?


This is the link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145803
there you can read that he stated to be sorry, and he has made more apologizes than this, i'm almost sure i read another somewhere,i think he didn't even know that it would hurt so much e-sports, if he would knew the damage he was doing i don't think he would have done it.
You know this guys are almost like kids, they have been half his life playing a game, i don't think they are mature enough, and commit mistakes as bad as this, i think they just thought they were winning extra money for a couple of losses, and didn't realized that what they did was so wrong.
Hydralisk so fasts and dangerous :D
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
March 31 2013 01:59 GMT
#341
On March 31 2013 03:31 traceurling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 12:44 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 11:16 Kiett wrote:
i think i'll just skip to the part where he gets owned by bisu

savior sux diq

+ Show Spoiler +
jk good work ver & shiro ^^

And this guy doesn't get banned because he's from TL Staff?, what a joke is your law and rules gentlemen from TL

Pretty sure Kiett is female...but don't be pissed at her she's just mad that sAviOr killed all those Protosses :o

why would i be mad? i only care about one protoss and he wiped the floor with savior.
Writer:o
donrambo
Profile Joined March 2013
India2 Posts
March 31 2013 07:16 GMT
#342
phew...happy to see it finally
v!radi
Profile Joined January 2012
1 Post
March 31 2013 08:34 GMT
#343
Finally! Good work!
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
March 31 2013 13:39 GMT
#344
On March 31 2013 10:59 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 03:31 traceurling wrote:
On March 30 2013 12:44 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 11:16 Kiett wrote:
i think i'll just skip to the part where he gets owned by bisu

savior sux diq

+ Show Spoiler +
jk good work ver & shiro ^^

And this guy doesn't get banned because he's from TL Staff?, what a joke is your law and rules gentlemen from TL

Pretty sure Kiett is female...but don't be pissed at her she's just mad that sAviOr killed all those Protosses :o

why would i be mad? i only care about one protoss and he wiped the floor with savior.

or did savior throw the games to make infinite money on a match 99% of people thought he would win?
connoisseur
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
March 31 2013 21:03 GMT
#345
I'm fucking tired to translate it. I don't know how you made it, bro :D
patyrykin.net
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1454 Posts
April 01 2013 03:52 GMT
#346
On March 31 2013 22:39 pieisamazing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 10:59 Kiett wrote:
On March 31 2013 03:31 traceurling wrote:
On March 30 2013 12:44 Sum41 wrote:
On March 28 2013 11:16 Kiett wrote:
i think i'll just skip to the part where he gets owned by bisu

savior sux diq

+ Show Spoiler +
jk good work ver & shiro ^^

And this guy doesn't get banned because he's from TL Staff?, what a joke is your law and rules gentlemen from TL

Pretty sure Kiett is female...but don't be pissed at her she's just mad that sAviOr killed all those Protosses :o

why would i be mad? i only care about one protoss and he wiped the floor with savior.

or did savior throw the games to make infinite money on a match 99% of people thought he would win?


All information we have says (a) SaviOr personally didn't throw any games, (b) he didn't make as much off of any of the booking as he would have made by winning the MSL, and (c) he didn't even participate in the scandal until well after Bisu beat him anyway.
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Deleted User 268575
Profile Joined June 2012
146 Posts
April 03 2013 02:47 GMT
#347
Wow can't wait to read both part 1 and 2. Read the disclaimer beforehand, had just a quick question, if he was sentenced to one year in prison in may 2010, and it was suspended for 2 years, does this mean he is currently serving his sentence in prison from may of 2012 and will be released this may?
http://twitch.tv/jemah
Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 15:26:03
April 03 2013 15:23 GMT
#348
On April 03 2013 11:47 Jemah wrote:
Wow can't wait to read both part 1 and 2. Read the disclaimer beforehand, had just a quick question, if he was sentenced to one year in prison in may 2010, and it was suspended for 2 years, does this mean he is currently serving his sentence in prison from may of 2012 and will be released this may?

no, they gave Savior the chance to not got to jail if he did nothing wrong in those years 2 years they gave him.
i read something like that some time ago
Hydralisk so fasts and dangerous :D
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
April 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#349
Well worth the wait, thanks to ver and all who helped!
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
April 09 2013 02:18 GMT
#350
Will part 3 focus on ZvP?
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
April 11 2013 11:36 GMT
#351
Ver should get the Pulitzer prise for best writing. These articals are increadibly well written, a pleasure to read. Thanks!
For the swarm
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
April 13 2013 17:34 GMT
#352
This is a great article. I hope someone figures out how to do the same thing with zerg in HOTS.
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2270 Posts
April 16 2013 05:15 GMT
#353
i'm supposed to be reading Aristotle's Metaphysics, for an exam next week... instead i'm reading Ver's God of the battlefield, TOTALLY WORTH IT.
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 03:43:04
May 08 2013 03:42 GMT
#354
Wait has this been spotlighted again or is my mind playing tricks.

after a couple refreshes I realize my computer just went to a 2 month old teamliquid page.
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SheLovesMe
Profile Joined March 2012
11 Posts
May 13 2013 08:55 GMT
#355
Did not realise this had been posted up, but I'm so glad that it has been now :D Ver is a phenomenal writer and deserves all the praise that he gets.

I really want to know what Savior does with his time now.
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
May 14 2013 14:35 GMT
#356
On May 13 2013 17:55 SheLovesMe wrote:
Did not realise this had been posted up, but I'm so glad that it has been now :D Ver is a phenomenal writer and deserves all the praise that he gets.

I really want to know what Savior does with his time now.


believe it or not, he goes to law school.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19347 Posts
May 24 2013 22:38 GMT
#357
holy shit.
this was worth the wait,
awesome.
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Kommatiazo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States579 Posts
May 26 2013 00:24 GMT
#358
Ver you're the man.
"You must enemy don't know, and very good micro" - Bosstoss #Wet4Ret
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
September 04 2013 17:31 GMT
#359
I just read this and holy crap it's good. I feel like a lot of it is relevant to modern SC2, especially the new-ish "Guerilla Protoss" being used vs T these days.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
November 02 2013 16:54 GMT
#360
Whoah I had no idea it had been that long. Loved the last one, and the info on Savior's practice strategies in this part...just wow.

Great work Ver, <3<3<3
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zyce
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States649 Posts
November 25 2013 17:09 GMT
#361
Quite literally, the best Starcraft-related writing I have ever read, and likely will ever read. (Apologies to other writers of whom I'm a fan). Thank you Ver, incredible work. I know you've spent an awfully long time on this, and it has paid off.

Truly awesome.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5479 Posts
January 19 2014 08:08 GMT
#362
TL, please bring TLFE back.
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TOAA
Profile Joined October 2014
United States38 Posts
November 01 2014 01:41 GMT
#363
i forgive savior for what he did, i wish i can see him play again T_T
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