EPTOr maybe this thread should be locked due to the BW results. By the time HotS comes out, it wouldn't apply anyways.
The Elephant in the Room - Page 290
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Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
Or maybe this thread should be locked due to the BW results. By the time HotS comes out, it wouldn't apply anyways. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
Since the show matches earlier this year I haven't seen one game from any KeSPA that was impressive in the context of current SC2 pros. Obviously they have improved greatly but not at the rate which the original post would imply, in fact far from it to be honest. Still one face remains unchallenged here and that is the practice regimen of the KeSPA teams. Even though they won't rise to dominance quickly I think, eventually, they will unless the current non-KeSPA teams adjust to compete. Will Flash become the best SC2 player of all time as well? If he practices the way he has been for BW then it's quite likely. EDIT: I would like to add that seeding KeSPA players into WCS, as an example, is quite silly. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8318 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:26 Whatson wrote: I really hate how this stupid article created such a big divide in the community. Every time a KeSPA player plays against a GSL player, the elephant is brought up. The assimilation of BW pros wasn't supposed to involve a giant debate every night, but now it does, thanks to this. I think it can turn into a friendly rivalry. Frankly it's been proven wrong, even when a few KeSPA players do well, unless something extraordinary starts happening (six of top eight players in two of five tournaments being KeSPA players for example) then we can agree that the elephant was stillborn. If we see that kind of dominance I'd be positively shocked but I don't think it'll happen. Instead we simply now have an even deeper korean scene and it has this built in rivalry between the two factions and that is fantastic for e-sports in my opinon. Look at the interviews in the past few days, this rivalry doesn't just exist in our eyes but in the eyes of the players too. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:55 TheDougler wrote: I think it can turn into a friendly rivalry. Frankly it's been proven wrong, even when a few KeSPA players do well, unless something extraordinary starts happening (six of top eight players in two of five tournaments being KeSPA players for example) then we can agree that the elephant was stillborn. If we see that kind of dominance I'd be positively shocked but I don't think it'll happen. Instead we simply now have an even deeper korean scene and it has this built in rivalry between the two factions and that is fantastic for e-sports in my opinon. Look at the interviews in the past few days, this rivalry doesn't just exist in our eyes but in the eyes of the players too. I would love the friendly rivalry but I consider the attitudes of the BW-elitists (for example, this article) very poor. I don't mind people liking their own game, but you don't call out the competition of the other games as being a farce. Then, very often, you have some BW-elitist calling out SC2 as a bad game, too easy, etc. | ||
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pStar
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Waxangel
United States33678 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:26 Whatson wrote: I really hate how this stupid article created such a big divide in the community. Every time a KeSPA player plays against a GSL player, the elephant is brought up. The assimilation of BW pros wasn't supposed to involve a giant debate every night, but now it does, thanks to this. hardly, this sense of rivalry was 100% inevitable, and you can tell from the way kespa and gomtv pros talk about each other, or the way the Korean starcraft communities talk about each other, and none of them have ever seen this article  | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On August 10 2012 02:49 Waxangel wrote: hardly, this sense of rivalry was 100% inevitable, and you can tell from the way kespa and gomtv pros talk about each other, or the way the Korean starcraft communities talk about each other, and none of them have ever seen this article How the hell did they get so lucky? | ||
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Chainedsage
United States37 Posts
They definetely played it long before Hybrid proleague was announced and I know a bunch of them even played the beta a little. So before people say that they have caught up in a couple months,remember they have been playing much longer than what has been said. | ||
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dmasterding
United States205 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:56 Chainedsage wrote: I know people are screaming elephant in the room because of the recent victorys but the BW players have been playing sc2 for a while now. They definetely played it long before Hybrid proleague was announced and I know a bunch of them even played the beta a little. So before people say that they have caught up in a couple months,remember they have been playing much longer than what has been said. And also it's still a select few that are doing well, rather than what the article suggests (the entirety of the BW pro scene coming over, dominating, then kicking out all the SC2 players). | ||
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Hazzyboy
Estonia555 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:56 Chainedsage wrote: I know people are screaming elephant in the room because of the recent victorys but the BW players have been playing sc2 for a while now. They definetely played it long before Hybrid proleague was announced and I know a bunch of them even played the beta a little. So before people say that they have caught up in a couple months,remember they have been playing much longer than what has been said. That's simply not true at all. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
On August 07 2012 21:56 Azzur wrote: I think I've figured out the true elephant in the room - it's a farce that Kespa players are given seeds to compete directly against seasoned SC2 players Yea..., no. Personally I love this little (friendly) rivalry, it adds another whole dimension to the games. So much fun, gotta love the WCS. I just wish Tastosis were still casting for GOM ;_; | ||
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Rammstorm
Germany1434 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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fellcrow
United States288 Posts
On May 12 2011 13:52 Zrana wrote: You didn't mention NaDa or July as much as you should have. Both amazing at sc1 (capable of beating flash/JD at times iirc but not rocking SC2 as hard as you say they should) Different game, different skills. Mechanics mean slightly less, strategy slightly more. Sure some is transferable, but this really seems like more of the same tired old BW was better whine. You say that there are hundreds of players who could come in and dominate SC2 at any moment. Well why haven't they? There's nothing to stop them taking the GSL, TSL and NASL prize pools. More than enough incentive. The answer is that SC2 is still being figured out, and it takes a different sort of player to excel at a young game than a game where the rules have already been written. Also you imply that SC2 is invalid as a sport until we have some godllike figure like Flash. Was football invalid before Beckham, Formula 1 before Schumacher? No, they were still fun to watch. (well i dont like football but lots do) I agree with this guy. Truth be told this entire article some what feels like a brood war fan boy article. we have had this article before. I would prefer something new rather than the same brood war fan boy article again. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 17 2012 07:32 Hot_Bid wrote: Well, to be fair, July and Nada were completely washed up when they switched to SC2, they were nowhere near the best SC1 players. It's like comparing Michael Jordan when he was on the Wizards to when he was on the Bulls, that's how far they'd slipped. ForGG wasn't that far yet though. | ||
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