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On May 27 2012 15:10 BatesC wrote:
BW never required any more skill than SC2 did. Proleague is proof. In fact SC2 is harder than Brood War. Look at how poorly all the heroes of Brood War do in a supposedly easier game.
The illusion of skill in BW came from the buggy ass pathing and spells. That's it. No skill. SC2 is the far superior game in unit control, tactics and strategy.
That's why the three pillars of Sc2 (mvp nestea Mc) all stunk at pro bw right?
Uneducated trollolololololo
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On May 31 2012 09:44 InTheFade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 15:10 BatesC wrote:
BW never required any more skill than SC2 did. Proleague is proof. In fact SC2 is harder than Brood War. Look at how poorly all the heroes of Brood War do in a supposedly easier game.
The illusion of skill in BW came from the buggy ass pathing and spells. That's it. No skill. SC2 is the far superior game in unit control, tactics and strategy. Uneducated trollolololololo
It's funny because you think someone will take your post seriously
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BW A-teamer losing to a WC3 pro... who would've thought that possible after reading this article!
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On June 05 2012 02:39 Azzur wrote:
BW A-teamer losing to a WC3 pro... who would've thought that possible after reading this article!
Many people ?
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Really enjoying SPL with sc2, can't wait for the real be pros to get more time together as a team strategizing. The level of play is going to get really good really fast! The elephant will take over soon
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On May 27 2012 15:10 BatesC wrote:
BW never required any more skill than SC2 did. Proleague is proof. In fact SC2 is harder than Brood War. Look at how poorly all the heroes of Brood War do in a supposedly easier game.
The illusion of skill in BW came from the buggy ass pathing and spells. That's it. No skill. SC2 is the far superior game in unit control, tactics and strategy.
How did you not get banned for this. Don't comment if you don't know what you're talking about
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On June 06 2012 17:21 MateShade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 15:10 BatesC wrote:
BW never required any more skill than SC2 did. Proleague is proof. In fact SC2 is harder than Brood War. Look at how poorly all the heroes of Brood War do in a supposedly easier game.
The illusion of skill in BW came from the buggy ass pathing and spells. That's it. No skill. SC2 is the far superior game in unit control, tactics and strategy. How did you not get banned for this. Don't comment if you don't know what you're talking about
Because TL is not so fascist a community that it bans reasonable comments, supported by evidence, that add quality to the discussion simply because it implies imperfection in a beloved game.
The "different game" argument applies to 99.9% of progamers, but not for special players like Jaedong and Flash. The game doesn't matter. Whether it's BW or SC2 or checkers or minesweeper, certain players are so good they will always be at the top.
Though these "special players" should have time to prove themselves if this is true, current evidence suggests like this might apply to 100% of progamers and claims to the contrary are based more on hero worship than reality. However, I look forward to being proven wrong.
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@Calm. No the comment is not very well supported by evidence. It's a one off statement with some ridiculously huge assumptions. But I'm not going to moderate based on that.
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On June 06 2012 17:21 MateShade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 15:10 BatesC wrote:
BW never required any more skill than SC2 did. Proleague is proof. In fact SC2 is harder than Brood War. Look at how poorly all the heroes of Brood War do in a supposedly easier game.
The illusion of skill in BW came from the buggy ass pathing and spells. That's it. No skill. SC2 is the far superior game in unit control, tactics and strategy. How did you not get banned for this. Don't comment if you don't know what you're talking about
It's stale copy-paste material
Nice argument by the way, you really are making the case for the crying broodwar babies.
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I'm sorry that pros currently splitting their time between two games, a situation that is troubling to their mental states, have not, after less than a month of inferior practice arrangements, caught up to pros whove developed over 2 years. That really says anything about the quality of BW, especially considering their inferior practice and poor mental states have had a dramatic impact on their skill in BW as well. That makes a lot of sense and I totally respect you as a human being.
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On June 07 2012 06:53 BatesC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 17:21 MateShade wrote:On May 27 2012 15:10 BatesC wrote:
BW never required any more skill than SC2 did. Proleague is proof. In fact SC2 is harder than Brood War. Look at how poorly all the heroes of Brood War do in a supposedly easier game.
The illusion of skill in BW came from the buggy ass pathing and spells. That's it. No skill. SC2 is the far superior game in unit control, tactics and strategy. How did you not get banned for this. Don't comment if you don't know what you're talking about It's stale copy-paste material Nice argument by the way, you really are making the case for the crying broodwar babies.
I've never even played broodwar. I feel bad for you and your issues you must have in life.
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On June 07 2012 06:04 Falling wrote:
@Calm. No the comment is not very well supported by evidence. It's a one off statement with some ridiculously huge assumptions. But I'm not going to moderate based on that.
I don't disagree, the evidence is so far flimsy at best (being based on low number statistics) and doesn't even contradict the original post:
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch.
However, it is a legitimate conclusion that can be drawn from what we have seen so far and patently ridiculous that anyone should be banned for that interpretation. In a few months, we shall see whether Schrodinger's elephant is alive or dead. I myself am quite looking forward to the consolidation of the Starcraft community around SC2, and hopefully the rise of even higher quality games from an influx of quality players.
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On June 07 2012 17:59 MateShade wrote:
I feel bad for you and your issues you must have in life.
pfffthahahaha I seriously hope you don't argue like this on a normal basis
+ Show Spoiler +Does your dad know you're gay?
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Amazing performance of Flash. Demonstrating he's the fuckin' elephant in the fuckin' room.
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On June 10 2012 17:21 Deimos wrote:
Amazing performance of Flash. Demonstrating he's the fuckin' elephant in the fuckin' room.
Did he play top level games? Or just better than everyone else, I went to bed early 
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On June 11 2012 07:12 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 17:21 Deimos wrote:
Amazing performance of Flash. Demonstrating he's the fuckin' elephant in the fuckin' room.
Did he play top level games? Or just better than everyone else, I went to bed early
He was very impressive. In particular his matches against Soulkey (who is said to be GM in korea).
It's the rate of improvement that's the scary thing. He was showing pretty mediocre games in proleague only a month ago, and now he's showing Code A/B quality games. I doubt he'll be allowed to with Proleague not finishing till late September, but I'd love to see him try and qualify for GSL season 4.
I think he will be one of the top 20 players in the world by the end of the year.
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Him immediately all inning Stork upon seeing a second Zealot seemed like a very planned response and showed a very thorough understanding of timings. And I remember thinking during Marine Kings last few games that Flash did indeed have better unit control, I thought that I may have felt that way because I was tired and his opponents were "bad" though to be fair, MKPs mistakes were not typical and I know he was up really, late too. He scurried under my arm pit to get a better view of Jaedong playing so I know he was also up late watching the Kespa tournament.
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On June 16 2012 04:34 U_G_L_Y wrote:
Him immediately all inning Stork upon seeing a second Zealot seemed like a very planned response and showed a very thorough understanding of timings. And I remember thinking during Marine Kings last few games that Flash did indeed have better unit control, I thought that I may have felt that way because I was tired and his opponents were "bad" though to be fair, MKPs mistakes were not typical and I know he was up really, late too. He scurried under my arm pit to get a better view of Jaedong playing so I know he was also up late watching the Kespa tournament.
In case you aren't aware, Flash's keyboard broke during the first game with Stork, and he was playing with mouse only. Just another factor in choosing to all in that game :p
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Is it awkward now that StarCraft II has developed further and this article is only slightly relevant because of the skill disparity between the BW and WoL players?
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On June 17 2012 11:14 SCMatterhorn wrote:
Is it awkward now that StarCraft II has developed further and this article is only slightly relevant because of the skill disparity between the BW and WoL players?
Not at all because on one hand you have Kespa players who practice BW and SC2(2 months in) and non Kespa players who have been playing SC2 for 2 years.
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