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readytorock
Profile Joined May 2012
129 Posts
May 05 2012 17:18 GMT
#5721
All the things are happening for real...
Wooooooooooooah!!!!!!!!!!
TTerran
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4 Posts
May 08 2012 05:28 GMT
#5722
I am blown away by all the information and how it is so structured properly for a great point. Awesome post, gives me a lot to think abou!
thalim90
Profile Joined April 2012
United States68 Posts
May 10 2012 00:13 GMT
#5723
"The "different game" argument applies to 99.9% of progamers, but not for special players like Jaedong and Flash. The game doesn't matter. Whether it's BW or SC2 or checkers or minesweeper, certain players are so good they will always be at the top. "

I'd like to see more indepth analysis on this part. I'm not sure I can fully agree or disagree with it yet. I may be able to say I agree when we're talking about BW or SC2 - but other games including chess? I'm not so sure. Are you trying to say there's a natural in born talent for gaming in general? Life? What exactly is this mysterious quality?
Be the change you wish to see in the world :)
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
May 13 2012 03:12 GMT
#5724
On May 10 2012 09:13 thalim90 wrote:
"The "different game" argument applies to 99.9% of progamers, but not for special players like Jaedong and Flash. The game doesn't matter. Whether it's BW or SC2 or checkers or minesweeper, certain players are so good they will always be at the top. "

I'd like to see more indepth analysis on this part. I'm not sure I can fully agree or disagree with it yet. I may be able to say I agree when we're talking about BW or SC2 - but other games including chess? I'm not so sure. Are you trying to say there's a natural in born talent for gaming in general? Life? What exactly is this mysterious quality?

they are geniuses who can perform well in anything they choose, be it academics or olympics
Jar Jar Binks
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
May 13 2012 07:51 GMT
#5725
hey intrigue, rank 5 in master doesn't seem like an elephant
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 14 2012 12:00 GMT
#5726
the current code S will become the code A once BW pros are ready & enter GSL
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
May 20 2012 08:15 GMT
#5727
Well, I'm watching Flash playing SC2, and... this is outstandingly disappointing. It looks like SC2 is such a different beast than BW that the BW pros can't just switch over. Maybe eventually they'll get up to par, but for right now, the elephant seems to be dead in the water. The only farce I'm seeing right now is Effort's Muta control... he lost so many to one Thor.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
May 20 2012 10:58 GMT
#5728
On May 10 2012 09:13 thalim90 wrote:
"The "different game" argument applies to 99.9% of progamers, but not for special players like Jaedong and Flash. The game doesn't matter. Whether it's BW or SC2 or checkers or minesweeper, certain players are so good they will always be at the top. "

I'd like to see more indepth analysis on this part. I'm not sure I can fully agree or disagree with it yet. I may be able to say I agree when we're talking about BW or SC2 - but other games including chess? I'm not so sure. Are you trying to say there's a natural in born talent for gaming in general? Life? What exactly is this mysterious quality?

the drive to succeed.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
May 20 2012 14:21 GMT
#5729
Someone please close this thread and let the hype die, those SPL games were disappointing.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
May 20 2012 14:45 GMT
#5730
Is the elephant dead now?

Hopefully someone from BW will prove us wrong and win a GSL soon.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
May 20 2012 16:49 GMT
#5731
Obviously we have to see if BW players vs current sc2 pros, but I think right now bw players are behind the best sc2 players.
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
May 21 2012 00:35 GMT
#5732
The Elephant will never die. That's one thing that's so annoying about the way this article is written.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
May 21 2012 02:14 GMT
#5733
On February 21 2012 04:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Who the hell keeps on beating the dead horse?
I thought after Forgg got stomped in Code S that asshole would stop bumping this.
Unless you're Flash/Jaedong/some other godlike player, which means you have absurd natural talent and would've won at SC2 anyways, playing BW just means your fingers are already pretty nimble.


Whoops

I'm sure these players will get good at SC2 eventually, but they literally looked a year behind the metagame last night.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 05:23:02
May 21 2012 05:21 GMT
#5734
On May 21 2012 09:35 Chunhyang wrote:
The Elephant will never die. That's one thing that's so annoying about the way this article is written.

The Elephant will never die because BW-elitists will claim one/some of the following:
- Not enough practice.
- They were already past their prime.
- SC2 is too volatile.

Despite the elephant article claiming that there are 300 players will can dominate SC2.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
May 21 2012 07:50 GMT
#5735
On May 21 2012 14:21 Azzur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 09:35 Chunhyang wrote:
The Elephant will never die. That's one thing that's so annoying about the way this article is written.

The Elephant will never die because BW-elitists will claim one/some of the following:
- Not enough practice.
- They were already past their prime.
- SC2 is too volatile.

Despite the elephant article claiming that there are 300 players will can dominate SC2.


Yep.


Lol @ the 300 players who can dominate sc2 part as well, not a chance.

.



Lord_Maximus
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark46 Posts
May 21 2012 09:22 GMT
#5736
On May 21 2012 16:50 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 14:21 Azzur wrote:
On May 21 2012 09:35 Chunhyang wrote:
The Elephant will never die. That's one thing that's so annoying about the way this article is written.

The Elephant will never die because BW-elitists will claim one/some of the following:
- Not enough practice.
- They were already past their prime.
- SC2 is too volatile.

Despite the elephant article claiming that there are 300 players will can dominate SC2.


Yep.


Lol @ the 300 players who can dominate sc2 part as well, not a chance.

.





No way man, 300 players will toooootally be able to beat players who have trained for 10 hours every day for 2 years after a few months of practise /s
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
May 21 2012 18:05 GMT
#5737

MMA, SlayerS ace - 2-3 (40.00%) Sept 2008 - May 2009
Mvp, IM ace, GSLWC winner - 30-46 (39.47%) Apr 2008 - Aug 2010
MarineKing (Code S, two-time GSL finalist) Sept 2009 - June 2010

With the exception of MVP, these players never made it to their respective teams’ A-teams. They are listed separately because their careers in Brood War were all pretty short for one reason or another, and it would be unfair to list them with the others. For some of these guys, the reason for quitting was StarCraft II.


Yeah, these guys simply recognised that bw would be phased out in a few years time, so they took the more sustainable route and and skipped right along to the game that would be played at the end of their own careers, not the beginning.

I am starting to think that the players that are at the top of the SC2 game right now, will be able to stand firmly on their own legs against the influx of bw pros.

It is a fun point that the influx is happening at the same time as HOTS is released, the metagame is going to be a mess for months.

forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
Gerbilkit
Profile Joined December 2009
United States32 Posts
May 25 2012 20:35 GMT
#5738
Does everyone view SC2 and BW as completely separate games? I always viewed SC2 as an extension/replacement for BW from the start. I've watched quite a bit of both (although not played SC2 since my comp sucks ) I honestly thought the only reason that Kespa and the whole korean pro scene didn't switch from the start was because they wanted to make sure that SC2 would be a stable and successful environment before abandoing everything they had built up in BW.

I mean I still enjoy watching both, but I kind of thought it was obvious that eventually SC2 would be the only game played at the pro level. The pros who are switching don't seem to have any overwhelming bad feelings towards SC2. I really don't get the strong urge of people to defend one or the other.

I can see how people who didn't watch starcraft before SC2 came out would not understand the OP. I don't think unless you have followed the BW pro scene you can really understand how utterly Korea has dominated. I mean for a top foreigner to take a game off of a low level korean pro was considered a big deal. I think that Korea's obsession, history, culture, and years of training will lead to continued domination. But I don't think it will ever be as extreme as it was in the past. But I can definitely see how someone who never watched professional starcraft before SC2 would have a hard time understanding how people see things.

The good news is games will be entertaining whatever happens. So we can all keep watching.
It shall be engraved upon your soul!
BatesC
Profile Joined June 2011
United States175 Posts
May 27 2012 06:10 GMT
#5739
BW never required any more skill than SC2 did. Proleague is proof. In fact SC2 is harder than Brood War. Look at how poorly all the heroes of Brood War do in a supposedly easier game.

The illusion of skill in BW came from the buggy ass pathing and spells. That's it. No skill. SC2 is the far superior game in unit control, tactics and strategy.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 27 2012 06:26 GMT
#5740
On May 27 2012 15:10 BatesC wrote:
BW never required any more skill than SC2 did. Proleague is proof. In fact SC2 is harder than Brood War. Look at how poorly all the heroes of Brood War do in a supposedly easier game.

The illusion of skill in BW came from the buggy ass pathing and spells. That's it. No skill. SC2 is the far superior game in unit control, tactics and strategy.

In proleague the players split their time between BW and SC2. You are spewing bullshit =]
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