EPTThe BW fans forgot forgg ever existed as soon as he didn't prove their elephant idea, that's how it works around here sadly. Really unfortunate, I grew up on BW, willing to bet I've played SC1 before most of the "old school bw fans" on these forums, I really want jaedong to dominate, but the sheer abnoxiousness of the loud elephent instigating BW fans makes me honestly wish for the kespa players to all get absolutely dominated and humiliated to the point of retirement.
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
The BW fans forgot forgg ever existed as soon as he didn't prove their elephant idea, that's how it works around here sadly. Really unfortunate, I grew up on BW, willing to bet I've played SC1 before most of the "old school bw fans" on these forums, I really want jaedong to dominate, but the sheer abnoxiousness of the loud elephent instigating BW fans makes me honestly wish for the kespa players to all get absolutely dominated and humiliated to the point of retirement. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 17 2012 14:25 hunts wrote: The BW fans forgot forgg ever existed as soon as he didn't prove their elephant idea, that's how it works around here sadly. Really unfortunate, I grew up on BW, willing tot be I've played SC1 before most of the "old school bw fans" on these forums, I really want jaedong to dominate, but the sheer abnoxiousness of the loud elephent instigating BW fans makes me honestly wish for the kespa players to all get absolutely dominated and humiliated to the point of retirement. Lol ForGG only did timing pushes in his Arena MSL run and then next season, Stork demolished the guy with standard play. ForGG's multitask was atrocious. His style might be exciting to watch et all. But man you can't even win games in SC2 with timings. | ||
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lannisport
878 Posts
Liquid`HerO Truth be told, we never anticipated that they would catch up this quickly. KeSPA players have a lot of practice experiences and grab the basics really well so I think that's why they are catching up so quickly. There's also the fact that KeSPA players are really good at what they do and the fact that GSL players feel a heavy burden when playing against them. In our case, we know that the possibility of losing to them is very likely, while on the other side, the fans think there's no way we could ever lose to them yet, so the pressure from that is really huge. I would like to take this moment to request that the fans start thinking like pro gamers and stop considering us to be this dominant force that should never lose. By.Sun It's true that we don't really get to practice as much as we should because of BW practices also. But in that sort of situation, we just get rid of that feeling and don't feel pressured by the amount of practice we've got to do. Rather than that, we feel pressured by the fact that we have to manage two games at the same time. So it seems as though Kespa players are improving much more quickly than anyone would've anticipated DESPITE having to split their practice time between sc2 and bw. Now, that is a scary thought. Though GSL players seem to have added pressure NOT to lose to Kespians which partially explains the losing streak they are on. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
As I predicted, KeSPA players greatly caught up in just 3 months, and I think after 6 months they will have almost equal level of skills. If eSports Federation players continue to react with such idleness, many things will be changed in the future. I am certain that right now, only players who put more effort will succeed. Now I think eSports Fed. players should think of KeSPA players as rivals. From http://esfiworld.com/news/boxer-i-will-help-players-achieve-what-ive-only-dreamt Ignore him at your own peril. | ||
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dieselnerd
United States42 Posts
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RenSC2
United States1092 Posts
On August 18 2012 09:54 dieselnerd wrote: SO many wrong kids in the thread, absolutely amazing. How could you ever doubt this wouldn't happen once the top dogs switched? It was inevitable. Bold, yet 100% true and accurate prediction. Except that it was completely wrong. Even when it was written, there weren't 300 players in BW better than the guys who switched to SC2. MVP made a top 8 and was likely top 25 overall. People make fun of MC's record, but he was getting playing time on the A-team, that immediately puts him in the top 100. Nestea was a SCBW prodigy, but was forced into 2v2 and wasn't allowed to practice 1v1 during that whole time period. He'd still easily show up in the top 300 at the end, despite supposedly having 300 people switch over and almost instantly dominate. The list can go on. It never made any sense and is still completely wrong. The "Kespa dominance" is occuring in the loser's bracket, not the winners bracket. That's also after two of the better SC2 pros in the loser's bracket decided to go to other obligations (more lucrative, sponsor requirements) instead of battle it out. The Kespa guys are certainly making good progress... I don't think anyone doubted that. The win streak was quite impressive and I don't think anyone expected that after how poorly they did in the winners round and the qualifiers, but it was still all done in the losers round. Will they dominate and eliminate the GOM players from all competition? Not in this generation of gamers. Will the low end of the GOM players get kicked to the curb? Probably, but the ones who put the effort in will continue to do well at the highest levels. The whole thing also brings into question what happened to Jangbi, Fantasy, Bisu, and Stork? Shouldn't they be better than Roro, Rain, herO, and Reality? I mean, the prior 4 dominated the other 4 in BW. Shouldn't they also dominate in SC2 by the article's logic? And yet, players who were worse than them in BW are better than them in SC2 just like MC, MVP, and Nestea. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 18 2012 12:01 RenSC2 wrote: The whole thing also brings into question what happened to Jangbi, Fantasy, Bisu, and Stork? Shouldn't they be better than Roro, Rain, herO, and Reality? I mean, the prior 4 dominated the other 4 in BW. Shouldn't they also dominate in SC2 by the article's logic? And yet, players who were worse than them in BW are better than them in SC2 just like MC, MVP, and Nestea. You can't truly say after such short time. For now, yes, the top dogs are a bit behind even their Kespa constituents, but that can change in a couple of months, or upon the release of HotS. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2345 Posts
On August 18 2012 12:01 RenSC2 wrote: The whole thing also brings into question what happened to Jangbi, Fantasy (...)? You expected them to start winning instantly? After they were mostly devoted to win the last OSL final? Oh pleaaase... | ||
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TheSneak
Australia118 Posts
'I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. ' WHat Boxer thinks: 'KeSPA players greatly caught up in just 3 months, and I think after 6 months they will have almost equal level of skills.' Thats the difference between this article and reality. Im so sick of seeing this thread bumped every frikkn month, showing its ugly face on the nav bar again... FFS The article has some fundamental truths in it (that did NOT require an indulgent, essay length post to get across btw), but taken to extremes. Other things I could never fully grasp about this otherwise perfectly good article: -Why it had to be written in such a hurt, antagonising tone when it contains so many perfectly reasonable examples and evidence/reasoning -How old the author(s) are to write something so barbed -Why it laboured the point for so long. -Why the hyperbole (see first point) Because quite frankly this thread has become almost as ugly as the KellyMilkies saga or the witch hunts | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On August 19 2012 10:20 TheSneak wrote: What Intrigue thinks: 'I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. ' WHat Boxer thinks: 'KeSPA players greatly caught up in just 3 months, and I think after 6 months they will have almost equal level of skills.' Thats the difference between this article and reality. Im so sick of seeing this thread bumped every frikkn month, showing its ugly face on the nav bar again... FFS The article has some fundamental truths in it (that did NOT require an indulgent, essay length post to get across btw), but taken to extremes. Other things I could never fully grasp about this otherwise perfectly good article: -Why it had to be written in such a hurt, antagonising tone when it contains so many perfectly reasonable examples and evidence/reasoning -How old the author(s) are to write something so barbed -Why it laboured the point for so long. -Why the hyperbole (see first point) Because quite frankly this thread has become almost as ugly as the KellyMilkies saga or the witch hunts Why surprised at the tone of the article? It's typical of the BW elitist attitude many in TL have | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On August 19 2012 05:23 hitthat wrote: You expected them to start winning instantly? After they were mostly devoted to win the last OSL final? Oh pleaaase... And the others? Does anybody think about the fact that Kespa handpicked these players? These are the 6 (7 with reality) absolute best at SC2 in the Kespa teams. We still don't really know how much depth they have, but nobody seems to be paying attention to that fact. | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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Deimos
Mexico134 Posts
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Danzo
2820 Posts
On August 30 2012 01:03 Deimos wrote: Actually that only takes 2 months :D 2 months of what? The kespa players have been practicing longer than that I believe but they've been dealing with the silly pro league format so playing two games at once meh.. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
On August 30 2012 15:44 Danzo wrote: 2 months of what? The kespa players have been practicing longer than that I believe but they've been dealing with the silly pro league format so playing two games at once meh.. yes meh, i say close to 1 year to completely surpass the day 1 and early sc2 players.(even if we wouldn't have a HotS) and 2-3 years to reach their full potential in sc2 (regardless of how good or bad the original sc2 players are. With surpass i mean in every possible way, ittook them some months to consistently beat even the best GSL players. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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james5
United Kingdom26 Posts
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