Who is Sage? He is a sick, intelligent and overall really impressive protoss (compared by some as being Bisu's incarnation in SC2). Sage was the team captain of New Star HoSeo. One year ago he performed an all kill of team fOu in GSTL season 1 which is quite funny considereing he only played 4 matches. He showed the same performance during IPL Team Arena Challenge #2, taking down StarTale all by himself and ending the tournament with 9-2 record. Sage also did a great run in GSL October Code A and fell one spot away from Code S. Name: 우경철 Woo Kyung Chul Race: Protoss Team: ROOT Location: South Korea( currently staying at NSH team house) Alias: Root.Sage His Facebook Page His Twitter His Liquipedia entry His TLPD ROOT Gaming Facebook
WCS America S2 RO16 WCS America S2 RO32 06/30/2013 7-8th place MLG Spring Championship 08/24/2012 Wins the Alt-Tab Trophy #47 - 40€ 08/25/2012 Wins the Playhem Daily EU - 55$ 09/02/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Battle at Ministry of Win - 1 300$ 09/04/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Playhem Daily EU - 20$ 09/08/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Playhem Daily EU - 30$ 09/10/2012 Wins the Playhem Daily EU - 45$ 09/11/2012 Wins the Playhem Daily EU - 45$ 09/12/2012 Finishes 3rd at the Playhem Daily EU - 10$ (forfeit semi-final) 09/12/2012 Wins the Go4SC2 09/13/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Playhem Daily EU - 20$ 09/14/2012 Wins the Playhem Daily EU - 45$ 09/14/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Xilence Cup 09/15/2012 Wins the Playhem Daily EU - 55$ 09/22/2012 Second Group Stage DreamHack Valencia 09/30/2012 Second in Zotac 10/01/2012 Second in Playhem EU 10/02/2012 Wins the AlienInvasion Cup 10/04/2012 Wins a HotS Showmatch vs Elvis organised by Eclypsia (5-4) 10/05/2012 Wins a Showmatch vs TitaN organised by TakeTV (6-3) 10/06/2012 Wins Clans.de HotS tournament 10/07/2012 Second in Zotac 10/09/2012 Wins the Playhem EU Turbo 10/09/2012 Second in AlienInvasion Cup 10/09/2012 Third in Playhem EU All kill of team Acer in ATC 2012-12-05 ZOTAC Cup Monthly Final October 2012 2012-11-16 Acer StarCraft Challenge 2012-09-02 Battle at Ministry of Win 2012-06-28 ESV TV Korean Weekly Season #7 2012-03-04 IPL Team Arena Challenge #2 All Kill of team StarTale 2011 GSL October: Code A semifinal 2011-07-01 GSTL Season 1 Week 2 Venus Group All Kill of team fOu 2011-06-18 LG Cinema 3D Special League semifinal
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this guy is in the same category as DRG to me. a part of the 2nd gen sc2 players that will show us how to really play this game. Great games tonight from this guy that sent nerd chills down my spine.
On July 01 2011 22:20 EGfanBoi!DemuFtw wrote: I like the fanclub, i think hes great, but you only made this because tastosis were drooling and ur a fan boy, sign me up tho, so impressive
I think that's kinda ironic coming from someone called "EGfanBoi!". He showed some fantastic games, especially against SiriusfOu, with just fantastic play. He has some unit control problems, otherwise he is actually amazing. Not many can go home saying they all-killed a lineup with sCfOu and Leenock.
think that's kinda ironic coming from someone called "EGfanBoi!". He showed some fantastic games, especially against SiriusfOu, with just fantastic play. He has some unit control problems, otherwise he is actually amazing. Not many can go home saying they all-killed a lineup with sCfOu and Leenock.
I never once said the games werent amazing, just saying that after seeing this guy preform like a baws, someone could have put more time and effort into making a fanclub worthy instead of a report of the games.
think that's kinda ironic coming from someone called "EGfanBoi!". He showed some fantastic games, especially against SiriusfOu, with just fantastic play. He has some unit control problems, otherwise he is actually amazing. Not many can go home saying they all-killed a lineup with sCfOu and Leenock.
I never once said the games werent amazing, just saying that after seeing this guy preform like a baws, someone could have put more time and effort into making a fanclub worthy instead of a report of the games.
I'm usually not a great fan of protoss players, I don't mind them but they rarely impresses me, today is the first time I'm impressed and inspired by the play of a protoss player. And it's also the first time I see a protoss game that makes me want to play protoss (I main T and offrace Z) I don't know if he'll live up the hype, but his game 2 on taldarim today is the most beautiful protoss play I've witnessed I'm in.
On July 01 2011 22:31 MrCon wrote: I'm usually not a great fan of protoss players, I don't mind them but they rarely impresses me, today is the first time I'm impressed and inspired by the play of a protoss player. And it's also the first time I see a protoss game that makes me want to play protoss (I main T and offrace Z) I don't know if he'll live up the hype, but his game 2 on taldarim today is the most beautiful protoss play I've witnessed I'm in.
This is exactly how I feel. Usually I hate protoss as a zerg, but man, this guy made me happy.
think that's kinda ironic coming from someone called "EGfanBoi!". He showed some fantastic games, especially against SiriusfOu, with just fantastic play. He has some unit control problems, otherwise he is actually amazing. Not many can go home saying they all-killed a lineup with sCfOu and Leenock.
I never once said the games werent amazing, just saying that after seeing this guy preform like a baws, someone could have put more time and effort into making a fanclub worthy instead of a report of the games.
There's not much on him at the moment, sadly.
You can find replays and vods from him in the korean weekly thread and the fxopen (5 ?)qualifier. edit : not sure about the fxo qualifiers, perhaps it was younghwa ><
Was wondering how fast this was going to be made after tonight. His performance was very impressive tonight be he still doesn't have me sold, will wait for him to get some more good results before I sign up. Would like to see him get through the next Code A qualifier. Also does anyone know who beat him in the recent qualifier?
I think you could link his TLPD in op ^^ Sage and yeah, he was FreeDSL...that shows the power of training, and that a bad player 3-6 months ago can suddenly become good.
I watched the last two games from his allkill and I have to say he is one SICK nerd baller! If he goes on like this I expect to see him in code A soon.
On July 01 2011 23:24 Marsupian wrote: I watched the last two games from his allkill and I have to say he is one SICK nerd baller! If he goes on like this I expect to see him in code A soon.
On July 01 2011 23:24 Marsupian wrote: I watched the last two games from his allkill and I have to say he is one SICK nerd baller! If he goes on like this I expect to see him in code A soon.
It's the first 2 games you should watch ! The very first game he played was the most impressive. A complete new style (well, I saw some players try a similar style, but it always failed)
Wow he played great today :D :D i think he will bring toss into an new era He might lack some micro skills but wow his scouting/strat/builds are awesome ^_^ Sign me up
On July 01 2011 22:16 Shalaiyn wrote: Who is Sage? He is a sick, intelligent and overall really impressive protoss (compared by some as being Bisu's incarnation in SC2)
ok now its waaaay to early to say something like that, sound ridiculous to me.
On July 01 2011 22:16 Shalaiyn wrote: Who is Sage? He is a sick, intelligent and overall really impressive protoss (compared by some as being Bisu's incarnation in SC2)
ok now its waaaay to early to say something like that, sound ridiculous to me.
still i was impressed by him today
Yeah the Bisu incarnate is taking it a little too far if you ask me even though he played great today. Very interested to see this guys future. Also really want to know what kind of Protoss Steroids the NSHoseo coach is giving his players to vastly improve San into what he is today, to transform FreeDSL into Sage and to make another awesome toss like Tassadar.
On July 01 2011 22:16 Shalaiyn wrote: Who is Sage? He is a sick, intelligent and overall really impressive protoss (compared by some as being Bisu's incarnation in SC2)
ok now its waaaay to early to say something like that, sound ridiculous to me.
still i was impressed by him today
Yeah the Bisu incarnate is taking it a little too far if you ask me even though he played great today. Very interested to see this guys future. Also really want to know what kind of Protoss Steroids the NSHoseo coach is giving his players to vastly improve San into what he is today, to transform FreeDSL into Sage and to make another awesome toss like Tassadar.
Tassadar all-in's or cheeses every game in code A thus far.
He all-in'd all of his games vs Ryung. It only worked because Ryung did 1 rax expand every game. I'd hardly class all-in play as being an "awesome toss"
Is this the guy that consistently beats San in practice games? I remember a mention somewhere that there was a really good player in HoSeo who couldn't break out of Code B.
Lol damn you slow pay pal!!!!! I have to wait till July 6th(Been waiting since the 23rd) to buy my gstl ticket and see what all the hype is for this guy :S put me on the maybe list? XD
I'll definitely have to check out his games. I can't believe this guy was also called FreeDSL. I vaguely remember him for two things: being a relatively mediocre protoss in the 1st 3 seasons, and Tastosis making jokes about his name.
On July 01 2011 22:16 Shalaiyn wrote: Who is Sage? He is a sick, intelligent and overall really impressive protoss (compared by some as being Bisu's incarnation in SC2)
ok now its waaaay to early to say something like that, sound ridiculous to me.
still i was impressed by him today
Yeah the Bisu incarnate is taking it a little too far if you ask me even though he played great today. Very interested to see this guys future. Also really want to know what kind of Protoss Steroids the NSHoseo coach is giving his players to vastly improve San into what he is today, to transform FreeDSL into Sage and to make another awesome toss like Tassadar.
Bisu's blood.
But yeah all this comparison with BW S-Class players has got to stop. First of all, while Bisu got popular because of a build, his playstyle is mostly (90%?) mechanics/micro/multitask. Something that Sage didn't really excel at. Heck, Huk plays more like Bisu.
From what I've seen, Sage's more Nal_Ra than anything, although that's kinda holy ground for BW Toss players - might be blasphemous to compare them.
On July 01 2011 22:16 Shalaiyn wrote: Who is Sage? He is a sick, intelligent and overall really impressive protoss (compared by some as being Bisu's incarnation in SC2)
ok now its waaaay to early to say something like that, sound ridiculous to me.
still i was impressed by him today
Yeah the Bisu incarnate is taking it a little too far if you ask me even though he played great today. Very interested to see this guys future. Also really want to know what kind of Protoss Steroids the NSHoseo coach is giving his players to vastly improve San into what he is today, to transform FreeDSL into Sage and to make another awesome toss like Tassadar.
Tassadar all-in's or cheeses every game in code A thus far.
He all-in'd all of his games vs Ryung. It only worked because Ryung did 1 rax expand every game. I'd hardly class all-in play as being an "awesome toss"
Lol he gotta live up to his name. I mean, the true Tassadar did a big all-in to the Overmind. =))
But yea, seems like NSHoseo is the home of the tosses now. look at their lineup.
On July 02 2011 03:31 Shalaiyn wrote: Ok from now on if you don't send me a PM I'm not going to add you to the list, will be too much work going through the pages if it gets biggish. :p
haha there's only 4 pages so far and you already get tired. sage deserves more efforts from you man! =P
On July 02 2011 03:31 Shalaiyn wrote: Ok from now on if you don't send me a PM I'm not going to add you to the list, will be too much work going through the pages if it gets biggish. :p
haha there's only 4 pages so far and you already get tired. sage deserves more efforts from you man! =P
When there's 20 pages I won't exactly feel the same as with 4.
Finally! Another Protoss worth following (joining only MC, Alicia), this guy is insanely good. Just crazy how he's remained an unknown until now...
Seems like he has a great PvZ, sorta reminds me of Alicia's PvT (aggressive, exploiting weakness). Looking forward to HoSeo playing again just for this guy, hoping he has more up his sleeve!
i have been trying what he did on taldarim for such a long time. The phoenixes provide such a level of map control that no zerg could keep up unless they have god like creep spread and ovie speed. Also the initial zealot harrasment has been to famous from BW but no one could pulled that off.
Main reason is roaches too cheap to shut those off: go air -> Z wont make early roach. The nice touch here is that he upgrades +1 armor instead of +1 attack which make the zealot last much longer, the harass becomes much more effective.
On July 02 2011 10:48 NB wrote: i have been trying what he did on taldarim for such a long time. The phoenixes provide such a level of map control that no zerg could keep up unless they have god like creep spread and ovie speed. Also the initial zealot harrasment has been to famous from BW but no one could pulled that off.
Main reason is roaches too cheap to shut those off: go air -> Z wont make early roach. The nice touch here is that he upgrades +1 armor instead of +1 attack which make the zealot last much longer, the harass becomes much more effective.
It seems the only way to properly hold it off is with a ton of infestors and roaches and some hydras, and just luck everything down
I added quite a bit to his sadly quite empty Liquipedia page... Hope this guy gets a lot more accomplished and more attention as his play seems extremely good!
On July 02 2011 10:48 NB wrote: i have been trying what he did on taldarim for such a long time. The phoenixes provide such a level of map control that no zerg could keep up unless they have god like creep spread and ovie speed. Also the initial zealot harrasment has been to famous from BW but no one could pulled that off.
Main reason is roaches too cheap to shut those off: go air -> Z wont make early roach. The nice touch here is that he upgrades +1 armor instead of +1 attack which make the zealot last much longer, the harass becomes much more effective.
It seems the only way to properly hold it off is with a ton of infestors and roaches and some hydras, and just luck everything down
i have thought about it but you dont go infestors out of 2 bases as zerg else P just cannon up and expand. Notice how he scouted the fast 3rd and react accordingly. Late game he also has HT with storms to counter infestors.
This guy is the next alicia... He looks even better than alicia did (I really don't think that alicia is super hot anymore, his decision making isnt what it used to be IMO)
This guy is amazing! I saw the fanclub's existence before I started watching the VODs, didn't know what to expect, and was deeply impressed! Great play!
sign me up. he is the MOST inspiring player to me (a nub silver brotoss going towards gold) since i was obsessed with Tester during beta. so solid i mean day 9 probably was fapping during those sets his scouting and zealot harass....i mean, i bought almost all gsl tickets and this is the first time ive wanted to watch games again. tear inducing protoss play. i wasj ust talking to my terran friend how i thought toss was going to move heavily away from mid game coloosus ball, and herp a derp sage happened.
jeezus i hope he can go to MLG orlando (because thats the closest one to me)
Definitely was a fun game to watch. Storms are infinitely cooler than Colossus lasers, felt a bit tense at the end when he stacked a couple of storms but glad he had enough to survive.
Well what the fuck. Can't a man have a name without it being stolen by a progamer? T_T; First it was Fantasy, and now its Sage. >_< At least this one plays my race!
Gotta sign up for the fanclub cuz upon further review, he's pretty awesome, and we share part of a name!
Okay, I just watched this guy's GSTL games. His PvT is similar to my style but played by a competent player. I learned so many things from his game on Xel'Naga Fortress. My weakness has always been dying early with that style but I now know how to hold off early pressure with MM thanks to Sage.
On July 03 2011 13:45 Souljah wrote: I have a feeling the NSHoSeo team is going to be a contender.. That coach actually seemed to know what he was doing.
On July 03 2011 08:11 SageFantasma wrote: Well what the fuck. Can't a man have a name without it being stolen by a progamer? T_T; First it was Fantasy, and now its Sage. >_< At least this one plays my race!
Gotta sign up for the fanclub cuz upon further review, he's pretty awesome, and we share part of a name!
Sage is probably one of the most common online nicknames, up there with Naruto+number and names starting with super Dont you wish you had named yourself Teachute now?
What's up Sage fans? Just a heads up that he's playing in the iCCup Korean weekly as usual tonight, and for the second week in a row he's drawn MKP early. Last week he won in some style taking the series 2-0, this time they meet in round 1 meaning it'll unfortunately only be a bo1.
Starts in 2 hrs 50 and I'd bet good money that it does get cast =)
On July 05 2011 04:10 Asha` wrote: What's up Sage fans? Just a heads up that he's playing in the iCCup Korean weekly as usual tonight, and for the second week in a row he's drawn MKP early. Last week he won in some style taking the series 2-0, this time they meet in round 1 meaning it'll unfortunately only be a bo1.
Starts in 2 hrs 50 and I'd bet good money that it does get cast =)
On July 12 2011 00:22 Toons wrote: In case its not been posted, Sages ladder name 엔에스피도시락
Rank 45 GM Confirmed by San on His stream
san streams? how to watch?
for you who dont know, AIR style that MC used several times in NASL is just a bad copy of Sage phoenix play. I think day9 gona talk about the build tonight on his daily.
On July 12 2011 00:22 Toons wrote: In case its not been posted, Sages ladder name 엔에스피도시락
Rank 45 GM Confirmed by San on His stream
san streams? how to watch?
for you who dont know, AIR style that MC used several times in NASL is just a bad copy of Sage phoenix play. I think day9 gona talk about the build tonight on his daily.
Any links to VODs of this build in action? Would love to see Sage playing it out.
Just wanted to point out to Sage Fans that he just defeated Byun 2-0 and then Puma 2-1 in some pretty sick games with a bunch of weird builds in ICCUP weekly.
On July 20 2011 09:24 wklbishop wrote: Just wanted to point out to Sage Fans that he just defeated Byun 2-0 and then Puma 2-1 in some pretty sick games with a bunch of weird builds in ICCUP weekly.
So congrats to him really, awesome player!
Haha, I came in here to post exactly that. I feel like his win against Puma in Game 3 was Puma making really dumb decisions (1-1-1 all-in on Terminus Re in the longest positions possible with also cloak researching?), but I absolutely love watching Sage play nonetheless, and I'm glad that he got revenge against Puma who was like 5-0 against Sage in the past. He always plays intelligently, using mindgames with a great macro style to back it up.
Sage is one of the few Protoss players I actually enjoy watching. His unit control could use a little tidying up, but he's fucking sharp. Big fan of his play.
Worried about Sage - if there's anything he's going to lose to, it's gonna be an upcoming PvP against Yonghwa (who apparently has a reputation of being great at PvP). Rooting for Sage to take the Iccup tournament!
On August 03 2011 19:26 teebopp4life wrote: How did Sage do in Qualifiers? where is he in GSL?
He got knocked out in the qualifiers by a PvP... which is sadly as expected due to his pretty bad unit control.
A month later and he wins a couple of PvP's to qualify!
Cannon rushing...like a boss DT rushing...like a boss. Incorporating forges for detection and building clutch walls offs to ultimately buy time for your defensive cannons to come up for detection...like a boss!
On August 03 2011 19:26 teebopp4life wrote: How did Sage do in Qualifiers? where is he in GSL?
He got knocked out in the qualifiers by a PvP... which is sadly as expected due to his pretty bad unit control.
A month later and he wins a couple of PvP's to qualify!
Cannon rushing...like a boss DT rushing...like a boss. Incorporating forges for detection and building clutch walls offs to ultimately buy time for your defensive cannons to come up for detection...like a boss!
Let's get some Sage hype going before his Code A attempt!
LiquidJinro Jonathan Walsh Pretty sure NHS_Sage is the best protoss player in the world. Complete monster protoss o_o
@OrangeMilkis You should look into getting NHS Sage to an MLG at some point, sickest protoss o_o
SaintSnorlax Kwanghee Woo @ @LiquidJinro Soooo, he beat you 18-0?
LiquidJinro Jonathan Walsh @ @SaintSnorlax 20-4
LiquidJinro Jonathan Walsh @MLGLee If you are looking for a good protoss to invite for MLG, I would really recommend NHS Sage.... Best protoss I have ever seen.
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Watched some of their games, was pretty amazing how well he was playing.
he was playing super risky agains jinro the other day
Jinro did cloaked banshee and won when he lost like 7 turns in a row. He is playing almost non existant robo He is playing super greedy He is playing SUPER RISKY!!!! Sage isnt innovative,he's doing builds that have specific counter almost every game (4gate blink into exp or smth) and if u dont repsond u die
Yeah he's a beast when playing for sure... So sad GomTv hasn't uploaded his Code A preliminary run yet, I would love to see his creative play. All there's now is him in the GSTL august.
On September 13 2011 20:28 Crying wrote: he was playing super risky agains jinro the other day
Jinro did cloaked banshee and won when he lost like 7 turns in a row. He is playing almost non existant robo He is playing super greedy He is playing SUPER RISKY!!!! Sage isnt innovative,he's doing builds that have specific counter almost every game (4gate blink into exp or smth) and if u dont repsond u die
This is just going to end up like Cliiiiiiide. Now everyone is buying the hype but in 6 months he'll only have some nice ro8 code S runs to show off and I'm going to be really sad T___T Artosis always jinx good things....
On September 14 2011 03:50 Choboo wrote: This is just going to end up like Cliiiiiiide. Now everyone is buying the hype but in 6 months he'll only have some nice ro8 code S runs to show off and I'm going to be really sad T___T Artosis always jinx good things....
This is why I'm a bit tentative to join the Sage hype. The dude is sick - no doubt. But... I have to see more...
On September 13 2011 21:39 eYeball wrote: Yeah he's a beast when playing for sure... So sad GomTv hasn't uploaded his Code A preliminary run yet, I would love to see his creative play. All there's now is him in the GSTL august.
They only cast his series with Ace. Game 1, Sage got blunk and died when he tried to expand; unsurprising if you've seen Sage play in the Korean Weekly. Game 2, Sage pulled a cannon rush that worked very well. Game 3, both Ace and Sage went for DTs; Sage had a Forge, Ace didn't, so Ace died.
Sage has good PvT and above average PvZ, but his PvP could use a lot of work.
On September 13 2011 21:39 eYeball wrote: Yeah he's a beast when playing for sure... So sad GomTv hasn't uploaded his Code A preliminary run yet, I would love to see his creative play. All there's now is him in the GSTL august.
They only cast his series with Ace. Game 1, Sage got blunk and died when he tried to expand; unsurprising if you've seen Sage play in the Korean Weekly. Game 2, Sage pulled a cannon rush that worked very well. Game 3, both Ace and Sage went for DTs; Sage had a Forge, Ace didn't, so Ace died.
Sage has good PvT and above average PvZ, but his PvP could use a lot of work.
I agree, but the reason for his worse PvP is hard to figure out. He is an extremely smart player, so he should know what decisions to make and when. And the thing not many people know about him is that his micro is unbelievable. People assumed it was weak because of his bad PvP and because his other points are so great, but that isn't the case.
He is one of only a handful of protosses who can go blink stalkers vs top korean terrans and come out even. And I'm not talking about blink stalkers vs a gasless FE with only marines. I'm talking about blink stalkers midgame vs marauders. In the korean weekly he has shown blink micro losing almost nothing vs stimmed mmm. That is amazingly tough to pull off, and of the times I've seen it, he does it best.
I think he might just have been experimenting in his PvPs, maybe because he doesn't like playing 4 gate.
On September 14 2011 03:50 Choboo wrote: This is just going to end up like Cliiiiiiide. Now everyone is buying the hype but in 6 months he'll only have some nice ro8 code S runs to show off and I'm going to be really sad T___T Artosis always jinx good things....
This is why I'm a bit tentative to join the Sage hype. The dude is sick - no doubt. But... I have to see more...
Have you actually SEEN innovative play from clide though? Sage has shown those kind of games in the GSTL.
[QUOTE]On September 13 2011 21:46 Yamulo wrote: [QUOTE]On September 13 2011 20:28 Crying wrote: he was playing super risky agains jinro the other day
Jinro did cloaked banshee and won when he lost like 7 turns in a row. He is playing almost non existant robo He is playing super greedy He is playing SUPER RISKY!!!! Sage isnt innovative,he's doing builds that have specific counter almost every game (4gate blink into exp or smth) and if u dont repsond u die [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On September 21 2011 12:38 saltymango wrote: [QUOTE]On September 13 2011 21:46 Yamulo wrote: [QUOTE]On September 13 2011 20:28 Crying wrote: he was playing super risky agains jinro the other day
Jinro did cloaked banshee and won when he lost like 7 turns in a row. He is playing almost non existant robo He is playing super greedy He is playing SUPER RISKY!!!! Sage isnt innovative,he's doing builds that have specific counter almost every game (4gate blink into exp or smth) and if u dont repsond u die [/QUOTE]
MC won 2 gsls playing really risky [/QUOTE] This is entirely untrue too, he robos very frequently.
[QUOTE]On September 21 2011 22:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote: [QUOTE]On September 21 2011 12:38 saltymango wrote: [QUOTE]On September 13 2011 21:46 Yamulo wrote: [QUOTE]On September 13 2011 20:28 Crying wrote: he was playing super risky agains jinro the other day
Jinro did cloaked banshee and won when he lost like 7 turns in a row. He is playing almost non existant robo He is playing super greedy He is playing SUPER RISKY!!!! Sage isnt innovative,he's doing builds that have specific counter almost every game (4gate blink into exp or smth) and if u dont repsond u die [/QUOTE]
MC won 2 gsls playing really risky [/QUOTE] This is entirely untrue too, he robos very frequently.[/QUOTE] I think people are confusing aggression with risk.
Time to see his PvZ against Check next, should be a good match since Check really seems to have bounced back in style. Win that and it's time for the up & downs at least! =)
On September 21 2011 23:02 Hassybaby wrote: Can you see the iCCup matches vs Puma anywhere? I REALLY wanna see how those games went, after the hype I've seen
I don't know if these are the games you;re talking about (haven't watched them just yet) but they're sage's latest games against puma in TLPD.
On September 21 2011 23:02 Hassybaby wrote: Can you see the iCCup matches vs Puma anywhere? I REALLY wanna see how those games went, after the hype I've seen
I don't know if these are the games you;re talking about (haven't watched them just yet) but they're sage's latest games against puma in TLPD.
The "hot" protosses in Code A were kind of Liquid´HerO,TSL.JYP and NsHs.Sage. Seems like there's only two left, and I hope that either of these advances to the finals and/or wins them. Sage with his intelligent mind I hope has no problem, because new patch has hit korea right?
I didn't think those DT's were like the regular DT's, like, 1 to each base and pray for drone kills. I mean he actually made an army and went out to kill the hatchery, if it wasnt for the "bad" pylon placement Lucky probably wouldnt even have had spores at the third.
But even then he solved it with a few zealots, a bit gimmicky but not like the infamous sentry drop.
Really good games, although I feel like Lucky didn't know have a clue on how to handle that. Too bad it will look like shit if I try those special tactics.
He wins, thats what counts. That whole protoss idea that a game needs to get into hypermacromode with 200 supply deathballs is exactly whats killing protoss atm.
On September 26 2011 20:45 Skyline026 wrote: He wins, thats what counts. That whole protoss idea that a game needs to get into hypermacromode with 200 supply deathballs is exactly whats killing protoss atm.
The problem is that the kind of heavy-dt ninja play that sage showed today (which was impressive as heck, I'm not gonna even try to take anything way from that) belongs in the same category as MC's once-dominant refined X-gate builds - it won't work forever. People will start to use it more, and people will figure out how to defend it. Folks like Naniwa and Sase have been saying that they don't know how to play a straight up game as protoss anymore, and I guess I can empathise when they complain that Sage's win was a "dt gamble". Beautiful, inspiring play, but no breakthrough there.
On September 26 2011 20:45 Skyline026 wrote: He wins, thats what counts. That whole protoss idea that a game needs to get into hypermacromode with 200 supply deathballs is exactly whats killing protoss atm.
The problem is that the kind of heavy-dt ninja play that sage showed today (which was impressive as heck, I'm not gonna even try to take anything way from that) belongs in the same category as MC's once-dominant refined X-gate builds - it won't work forever. People will start to use it more, and people will figure out how to defend it. Folks like Naniwa and Sase have been saying that they don't know how to play a straight up game as protoss anymore, and I guess I can empathise when they complain that Sage's win was a "dt gamble". Beautiful, inspiring play, but no breakthrough there.
Isnt the simple answer to not go straight up with the other guy? That was my point in the first place, alot of protoss have a set idea about how a game of sc2 has to go. And Sage today did something different. Just like Tails did stuff different when he beat MVP and Nestea.
On September 26 2011 20:45 Skyline026 wrote: He wins, thats what counts. That whole protoss idea that a game needs to get into hypermacromode with 200 supply deathballs is exactly whats killing protoss atm.
The problem is that the kind of heavy-dt ninja play that sage showed today (which was impressive as heck, I'm not gonna even try to take anything way from that) belongs in the same category as MC's once-dominant refined X-gate builds - it won't work forever. People will start to use it more, and people will figure out how to defend it. Folks like Naniwa and Sase have been saying that they don't know how to play a straight up game as protoss anymore, and I guess I can empathise when they complain that Sage's win was a "dt gamble". Beautiful, inspiring play, but no breakthrough there.
Thats why you gotta be reactive i think. You got to know when to attack (Especially when zerg makes 4 hatches early?) which is what sage did perfectly and you got to know when to back up(when zerg prolly goes for some 2 base tech timing). Right now the trend is for zerg to be greedy, i hope we get to see how sage manages the aggressive/tech oriented zerg. Seeing how hes such a good scouter and reactive player, i got high hopes for him
On September 26 2011 20:45 Skyline026 wrote: He wins, thats what counts. That whole protoss idea that a game needs to get into hypermacromode with 200 supply deathballs is exactly whats killing protoss atm.
The problem is that the kind of heavy-dt ninja play that sage showed today (which was impressive as heck, I'm not gonna even try to take anything way from that) belongs in the same category as MC's once-dominant refined X-gate builds - it won't work forever. People will start to use it more, and people will figure out how to defend it. Folks like Naniwa and Sase have been saying that they don't know how to play a straight up game as protoss anymore, and I guess I can empathise when they complain that Sage's win was a "dt gamble". Beautiful, inspiring play, but no breakthrough there.
They should just watch Huks stream then. His pvz isn't perfect but it is really good in a straight up fashion. He is able to get up all the bases he needs and play long successful macro games with few losses. Some of the stuff he does to manage this is unique to him too like his simcity.
Sage is a boss. I can not support Naniwas comment, because Sage's play doesnt have that "hope and pray" feeling for me, like i had watching inca vs nestea. He just seems to no very well when he can hit his opponent hard. Also, Game 1 was fantastic and was for sure a "real game" imo. The Archon-drop and Pylonblocking have been spectacular and effective at the same time.
On September 26 2011 20:30 Naniwa wrote: i wish he played real games and not dt gambles only
He doesn't "DT Gamble" every single game, but he's just using it for his arsenal. If you have seen all his games in GSL and GSTL there's more than that.
I missed last game but read the live report, cannot emphasise enough how good this is for all protoss players also. I feel this sort of style that Sage plays is when MC kind of introduced the Stargate play in FFE PvZ.
His DT openings today looked stable but he did serious damage both games.. I'd like to see him transition out of it when the Zerg defends more successfully.
Game 1 vs Lucky was amazing. I love how he plays Protoss, this heavy harassment style is so much nicer to watch than the standard timing attack style that we see from so many other Toss players.
On September 27 2011 04:12 Eufouria wrote: Game 1 vs Lucky was amazing. I love how he plays Protoss, this heavy harassment style is so much nicer to watch than the standard timing attack style that we see from so many other Toss players.
I dunno. I'm still not convinced that he's quite solid enough for code S though. He plays a little gimmicky in my opinion. I admittedly havn't seen all of his games though, so I'm far from an expert. He's undoubtedly the last protoss hope there's left though, so I'm gonna cheer him on 100% in his coming matches. Sage fighting!
On September 27 2011 04:12 Eufouria wrote: Game 1 vs Lucky was amazing. I love how he plays Protoss, this heavy harassment style is so much nicer to watch than the standard timing attack style that we see from so many other Toss players.
I dunno. I'm still not convinced that he's quite solid enough for code S though. He plays a little gimmicky in my opinion. I admittedly havn't seen all of his games though, so I'm far from an expert. He's undoubtedly the last protoss hope there's left though, so I'm gonna cheer him on 100% in his coming matches. Sage fighting!
The use of he word gimmicky is wrong in my opinion. Right now I think we can call him a "stylistically different player". Word is out on whether this play style is more sound, less sound, or just as sound as more "standard" Protoss strategies. I'd like to think it is more sound, and not just a unique style to him. He, Hero, JYP, and to a lesser extent Oz seem to be on the forefront of Protoss styles right now, and their winrates are much better than their contemporaries who play "standard". I certainly hope it is more solid, because there is no doubt that what Sage does takes way more skill than turtling up on 3 base and hoping to a-move across the map.
On September 27 2011 04:12 Eufouria wrote: Game 1 vs Lucky was amazing. I love how he plays Protoss, this heavy harassment style is so much nicer to watch than the standard timing attack style that we see from so many other Toss players.
I dunno. I'm still not convinced that he's quite solid enough for code S though. He plays a little gimmicky in my opinion. I admittedly havn't seen all of his games though, so I'm far from an expert. He's undoubtedly the last protoss hope there's left though, so I'm gonna cheer him on 100% in his coming matches. Sage fighting!
The use of he word gimmicky is wrong in my opinion. Right now I think we can call him a "stylistically different player". Word is out on whether this play style is more sound, less sound, or just as sound as more "standard" Protoss strategies. I'd like to think it is more sound, and not just a unique style to him. He, Hero, JYP, and to a lesser extent Oz seem to be on the forefront of Protoss styles right now, and their winrates are much better than their contemporaries who play "standard". I certainly hope it is more solid, because there is no doubt that what Sage does takes way more skill than turtling up on 3 base and hoping to a-move across the map.
I don't know where you heard me say timing pushes on 3 base is a good or solid playstyle. Imo that was just solid in the past when Zergs sat back passive, massing roaches and took useless bases that they never used, as they lost with 10k/10k against an invinsible collosus / void ray army.
Regardless. I wonder how game 1 would've played out if a stray overlord had flown by the proxy robo for instance. What if Lucky had made the lair at his nat.. I dunno I just don't think that this is the future of protoss.
On September 27 2011 04:12 Eufouria wrote: Game 1 vs Lucky was amazing. I love how he plays Protoss, this heavy harassment style is so much nicer to watch than the standard timing attack style that we see from so many other Toss players.
I dunno. I'm still not convinced that he's quite solid enough for code S though. He plays a little gimmicky in my opinion. I admittedly havn't seen all of his games though, so I'm far from an expert. He's undoubtedly the last protoss hope there's left though, so I'm gonna cheer him on 100% in his coming matches. Sage fighting!
The use of he word gimmicky is wrong in my opinion. Right now I think we can call him a "stylistically different player". Word is out on whether this play style is more sound, less sound, or just as sound as more "standard" Protoss strategies. I'd like to think it is more sound, and not just a unique style to him. He, Hero, JYP, and to a lesser extent Oz seem to be on the forefront of Protoss styles right now, and their winrates are much better than their contemporaries who play "standard". I certainly hope it is more solid, because there is no doubt that what Sage does takes way more skill than turtling up on 3 base and hoping to a-move across the map.
I don't know where you heard me say timing pushes on 3 base is a good or solid playstyle. Imo that was just solid in the past when Zergs sat back passive, massing roaches and took useless bases that they never used, as they lost with 10k/10k against an invinsible collosus / void ray army.
Regardless. I wonder how game 1 would've played out if a stray overlord had flown by the proxy robo for instance. What if Lucky had made the lair at his nat.. I dunno I just don't think that this is the future of protoss.
Hmm. It's an interesting argument that I think deserves to happen outside the scope of this fanclub, and is far too complex to expound upon in a fan club. But given the fact that Protoss generally is struggling right now, and Sage is not struggling, that must mean something. And I'll return to an oft used adage, this is how P v Z evolved in BW, why not in SC2?
On September 27 2011 04:12 Eufouria wrote: Game 1 vs Lucky was amazing. I love how he plays Protoss, this heavy harassment style is so much nicer to watch than the standard timing attack style that we see from so many other Toss players.
I dunno. I'm still not convinced that he's quite solid enough for code S though. He plays a little gimmicky in my opinion. I admittedly havn't seen all of his games though, so I'm far from an expert. He's undoubtedly the last protoss hope there's left though, so I'm gonna cheer him on 100% in his coming matches. Sage fighting!
The use of he word gimmicky is wrong in my opinion. Right now I think we can call him a "stylistically different player". Word is out on whether this play style is more sound, less sound, or just as sound as more "standard" Protoss strategies. I'd like to think it is more sound, and not just a unique style to him. He, Hero, JYP, and to a lesser extent Oz seem to be on the forefront of Protoss styles right now, and their winrates are much better than their contemporaries who play "standard". I certainly hope it is more solid, because there is no doubt that what Sage does takes way more skill than turtling up on 3 base and hoping to a-move across the map.
I don't know where you heard me say timing pushes on 3 base is a good or solid playstyle. Imo that was just solid in the past when Zergs sat back passive, massing roaches and took useless bases that they never used, as they lost with 10k/10k against an invinsible collosus / void ray army.
Regardless. I wonder how game 1 would've played out if a stray overlord had flown by the proxy robo for instance. What if Lucky had made the lair at his nat.. I dunno I just don't think that this is the future of protoss.
Hmm. It's an interesting argument that I think deserves to happen outside the scope of this fanclub, and is far too complex to expound upon in a fan club. But given the fact that Protoss generally is struggling right now, and Sage is not struggling, that must mean something. And I'll return to an oft used adage, this is how P v Z evolved in BW, why not in SC2?
Indeed. I'm sorry for derailing a little bit. Not trying to troll or anything, I'm just scared to put my hopes up too high ^_^ Interesting point about bw pvz. It'll be interesting to see if it might actually be a new hilarious mid game for protoss Fucking cleave the shit down with DTs and then let the void rays loose on him. Sounds like a dusted up bronze build. But hey, so did mass marine... :p
One day, he woke up and said "I wish I could be the Bisu of SC2". So he watched Bisu and decided to go DT/air. But yes, I honestly think that JYP, HerO, and Sage are the premiere P players to watch. His interview after his win was pretty cool too. Giving credit to White-Ra when he really didn't have to (and being such a loose tie, most people would not have). Also, dedicating the build to Inca was funny too.
On July 15 2012 06:04 DreamOen wrote: what happened with sage, kinda went to the shadows...??
He slumped after getting knocked out of GSL and never really fixed his abysmal PvP. He still plays in all of the typical online cups; KSL, Korean Weekly, TSL qualifiers etc, but hasn't done exceedingly well in any in a long time.
From watching his stream and any replays I can ever find of him, he still seems to be the creative player he always was, but is just struggling to regain consistency. Unfortunately the main tournaments we get to see are the GSL, which he has been unable to qualify for in several seasons, and the GSTL, where his PvP liability means the format works against him.
I'm still confident he will rise again as a force at some point. His genius play when he first burst onto the scene was pretty much the only thing that kept me playing protoss at a time when I thought about switching races, so as a player he means a lot to me.
On July 15 2012 06:04 DreamOen wrote: what happened with sage, kinda went to the shadows...??
He slumped after getting knocked out of GSL and never really fixed his abysmal PvP. He still plays in all of the typical online cups; KSL, Korean Weekly, TSL qualifiers etc, but hasn't done exceedingly well in any in a long time.
From watching his stream and any replays I can ever find of him, he still seems to be the creative player he always was, but is just struggling to regain consistency. Unfortunately the main tournaments we get to see are the GSL, which he has been unable to qualify for in several seasons, and the GSTL, where his PvP liability means the format works against him.
I'm still confident he will rise again as a force at some point. His genius play when he first burst onto the scene was pretty much the only thing that kept me playing protoss at a time when I thought about switching races, so as a player he means a lot to me.
Well remember Alicia? he was looking like MC year ago, disappeared and now he took 2nd in MLG and now in NASL, lets hope he comebacks, he is such a treat to watch.
Sage is really building up momentum right now. Today he managed a 25 win-streak and is currently rank 8 GM on EU - having a great time watching the stream Gogo Sage!
AT‡Sage just finished second at the Battle at Ministry of Win, only loosing to Nerchio. For his first live event in Europe, Sage takes away 1 300$. Not too bad !
Sage won another Playhem EU (the #351) That makes it three total and two in a row.
AT‡Sage performances in Europe so far :
08/20/2012 Arrives in Poland 08/24/2012 Wins the Alt-Tab Trophy #47 - 40€ 08/25/2012 Wins the Playhem Daily EU - 55$ 09/02/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Battle at Ministry of Win - 1 300$ 09/04/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Playhem Daily EU - 20$ 09/08/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Playhem Daily EU - 30$ 09/10/2012 Wins the Playhem Daily EU - 45$ 09/11/2012 Wins the Playhem Daily EU - 45$
09/12/2012 Finishes 3rd at the Playhem Daily EU - 10$ (forfeit semi-final) 09/12/2012 Wins the Go4SC2 09/13/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Playhem Daily EU - 20$ 09/14/2012 Wins the Playhem Daily EU - 45$ 09/14/2012 Finishes 2nd at the Xilence Cup
Hi everyone, I forgot to tell you that Sage won the 15th September Eu Playhem
Sage is in Valencia at this moment and he finished first of his Stage 1 Group, you might see more of him in the Group Stage 2 at 20pm CEST so watch out for the DH Valencia featured stream !
We gave a bit of news from Sage in a thread on the TL SC2 Forum if you want to know what's up ! :-)
09/30/2012 Second in Zotac 10/01/2012 Second in Playhem EU 10/02/2012 Wins the AlienInvasion Cup 10/04/2012 Wins a HotS Showmatch vs Elvis organised by Eclypsia (5-4) 10/05/2012 Wins a Showmatch vs TitaN organised by TakeTV (6-3) 10/06/2012 Wins Clans.de HotS tournament 10/07/2012 Second in Zotac 10/09/2012 Wins the Playhem EU Turbo 10/09/2012 Second in AlienInvasion Cup 10/09/2012 Third in Playhem EU
Sage was first in the EU ladder at some point a few days ago, but lately he's been practicing a lot of HotS for showmatches and tournaments so he dropped a bit =P
I hope you will continue to manage his fanclub or make sure it doesn't die. And Sage just won the Acer Cup, 2000€ and a huge PC and screen so he will probably be able to stream from Korea with that nice setup ! GG Sage
I want Millenium to pick him up. He would fit pretty good with ForGG and dragon,also they have a gaming house since sage seems to like being in europe.
Sad his team closed, but I hope he finds another good team soon. Also I hope this fan club will be updated in the future, the original post was from Alt-Tab Gaming itself and I am worried this thread is going to get outdated as the team closed.
On April 04 2013 06:48 shid0x wrote: Sage seems to be better than ever now that he is on root,i guess he found his path now.
I don't know, back when he all-killed fOu in GSTL he looked damn impressive, but of course since the game has evolved he's better than that now. Glad he found motivation to train again, he's such a joy to watch.
I hope he can delay his military service a bit longer.
Goooo sage, I hope you show your true skill at MLG and make it to at least top 8! I will be rooting for you and root gaming, and they better stream your games! Sage Fighting!
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