But... Doesn't Mr T complain about balance all the time?
He did complain about protoss long ago but then he solved the match-up according to himself and he has now a quite sick ZvP win record.
One kinda fun thing was that he was at 10-0, lost a couple of games against protoss, complained some about it, and then proceeded to solve the matchup and went on to get 10-1 in the next 11 games, total of 20-3.
And he has a better record in ZvZ.
Nestea is sickly good, but for some reason he's 0-4 in series against international opponents.
0-4? Not to nit pick but in Korea vs World team league, he beat dimaga (best of 1), then lost to dimaga in the bracket 1-2 which would make his record vs him 2-2, then 1-2 lost to Goody TSL3, although all the koreans save MC did pretty poorly (rather not discuss latency problems but point being he isnt the only one who did poorly)
Unless ur referring to sets and he lost 2 i dont recall
Nestea is someone who always prepares before his opponent. With enough resources, he can defeat anyone. He is the Detective / Professor Zerg after all.
When he faces the foreigners he has no idea what he is facing and usually it is very different from the Korean style. When he knows nothing about his opponent he will lose a few games, that's for sure. But when he gets to know the players more, he dominates and crushes them while solving a rubik's cube with his feet under the table. Just saying!
No that doesn't have anything to do with why he lost to Goody. Was purely latency. Nestea said he isn't going to play in anymore online tourneys because of latency. Obviously had a pretty big effect on his play if he thinks it's not even worth it to try.
But... Doesn't Mr T complain about balance all the time?
He did complain about protoss long ago but then he solved the match-up according to himself and he has now a quite sick ZvP win record.
One kinda fun thing was that he was at 10-0, lost a couple of games against protoss, complained some about it, and then proceeded to solve the matchup and went on to get 10-1 in the next 11 games, total of 20-3.
And he has a better record in ZvZ.
Nestea is sickly good, but for some reason he's 0-4 in series against international opponents.
0-4? Not to nit pick but in Korea vs World team league, he beat dimaga (best of 1), then lost to dimaga in the bracket 1-2 which would make his record vs him 2-2, then 1-2 lost to Goody TSL3, although all the koreans save MC did pretty poorly (rather not discuss latency problems but point being he isnt the only one who did poorly)
Unless ur referring to sets and he lost 2 i dont recall
Nestea is someone who always prepares before his opponent. With enough resources, he can defeat anyone. He is the Detective / Professor Zerg after all.
When he faces the foreigners he has no idea what he is facing and usually it is very different from the Korean style. When he knows nothing about his opponent he will lose a few games, that's for sure. But when he gets to know the players more, he dominates and crushes them while solving a rubik's cube with his feet under the table. Just saying!
Oh i dont disagree, its like artosis said, if the tournament conditions are good (i dont mean format but like ample prep time and not to cramped so you dont get tired) nestea will pretty much not lose, i was just wondering waht he was referring to by 0-4 and if i understood correctly, corrected him
Yeah, and DiMaga had designed a build to beat NesTea, who at the time was more predictable. Think NesTea learned a lot from those games, and is even more diverse now, because Prof. Nestea is levels above the Nestea that lost those games, as hard as that seems to say.
Don't forget that tomorrow NesTea will crush through group A in Code S. First match is against ZeNEXKyrix and then he will have to face the winner of SlayersMMA vs IMHappy.
(Yes, I just assume this because he will crush Kyrix)
On August 08 2011 15:15 Dracolich70 wrote: Yeah, and DiMaga had designed a build to beat NesTea, who at the time was more predictable. Think NesTea learned a lot from those games, and is even more diverse now, because Prof. Nestea is levels above the Nestea that lost those games, as hard as that seems to say.
That's at least my 2 cents.
This can't be more true and he said it himself in an interview (don't remeber which one). Something among the lines of :
"My lost vs Dimaga made me realised that I can actually loose in the matchup and I started to practise it again for the first time in months".
So yeah, Dimaga took one game and one cheese of him, but Nestea didn't train for ZvZ at all at that time.
On August 08 2011 15:15 Dracolich70 wrote: Yeah, and DiMaga had designed a build to beat NesTea, who at the time was more predictable. Think NesTea learned a lot from those games, and is even more diverse now, because Prof. Nestea is levels above the Nestea that lost those games, as hard as that seems to say.
That's at least my 2 cents.
This can't be more true and he said it himself in an interview (don't remeber which one). Something among the lines of :
"My lost vs Dimaga made me realised that I can actually loose in the matchup and I started to practise it again for the first time in months".
Thank you for your elaboration.
On August 08 2011 17:16 Growiel wrote:So yeah, Dimaga took one game and one cheese of him, but Nestea didn't train for ZvZ at all at that time.
I don't know about that. I am sure NesTea kept his ZvZ on par in practice with example Losira. You could be right, I don't know. Foreigners just play so differently from Koreans, and they can learn from each other. Dimaga played greatly, and deserves kudos for his plays on foreign soil.
It has to be said that NesTea had a minor slump at the time, imho.
On August 08 2011 16:53 TheSilverfox wrote: Don't forget that tomorrow NesTea will crush through group A in Code S. First match is against ZeNEXKyrix and then he will have to face the winner of SlayersMMA vs IMHappy.
(Yes, I just assume this because he will crush Kyrix)
I don't know. I think Kyrix has some surprises up his sleeve. He is a very good Zerg imho, even though his ZvZ is not great, and NesTeas is.
I have always liked Kyrix, and he is better than being credited for, imho. But of course - this is NesTea. But could be a NesTea, who will slump a bit after his great run, and a Kyrix who is dying to prove himself worthy of Code S.
On August 08 2011 15:15 Dracolich70 wrote: Yeah, and DiMaga had designed a build to beat NesTea, who at the time was more predictable. Think NesTea learned a lot from those games, and is even more diverse now, because Prof. Nestea is levels above the Nestea that lost those games, as hard as that seems to say.
That's at least my 2 cents.
This can't be more true and he said it himself in an interview (don't remeber which one). Something among the lines of :
"My lost vs Dimaga made me realised that I can actually loose in the matchup and I started to practise it again for the first time in months".
So yeah, Dimaga took one game and one cheese of him, but Nestea didn't train for ZvZ at all at that time.
I'm not so sure. The interview I think you are referring to is the one that Artosis did April 22nd:
He said he didn't prepare for the match against Dimaga and also praised him. I have not seen any comment that he said started practice ZvZ again.
Somewhat close to that was what he said after winning against Fruitdealer in GSL May: "After I lost my winning streak against Dimaga, I wanted to regain that image. I don’t know about other zergs, but Fruitdealer was a zerg I really wanted to beat. " - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218013
On August 08 2011 15:15 Dracolich70 wrote: Yeah, and DiMaga had designed a build to beat NesTea, who at the time was more predictable. Think NesTea learned a lot from those games, and is even more diverse now, because Prof. Nestea is levels above the Nestea that lost those games, as hard as that seems to say.
That's at least my 2 cents.
This can't be more true and he said it himself in an interview (don't remeber which one). Something among the lines of :
"My lost vs Dimaga made me realised that I can actually loose in the matchup and I started to practise it again for the first time in months".
So yeah, Dimaga took one game and one cheese of him, but Nestea didn't train for ZvZ at all at that time.
He said he didn't prepare for the match against Dimaga and also praised him. I have not seen any comment that he said started practice ZvZ again.
Somewhat close to that was what he said after winning against Fruitdealer in GSL May: "After I lost my winning streak against Dimaga, I wanted to regain that image. I don’t know about other zergs, but Fruitdealer was a zerg I really wanted to beat. " - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218013
It's not one of those. It probably was an oral interview by GOM after one of the matches, i'll check if I find the time to.
Join me in the fanclub, as the best zerg in the world (who will be without question the first bonjwa of sc2 if he wins the next gsl), he plays zerg in a way inspiring to all other zergs.
On August 09 2011 20:28 TheSilverfox wrote: Spoilers from today: + Show Spoiler +
He lost one game against MMA(MMA played really, really well). But Dr. Tea don't get into a slump and came back and crushed his teammate Happy!
Go crush the rest of Code S, NesTea!
He didnt really crush Happy, it was actually really close.
Yes, you are right - Happy played really well and it wasn't that "crushing". I was caught up in the moment when I wrote the post so I may have been exaggurating a bit
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