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On August 12 2011 05:03 NuclearWINtr wrote:
Take it from the man who play against him, FXOsC:
"Nestea doesn't play properly or seriously on ladder, so I thought he wasn't that good but when I played versus him in the GSL MAY Code S semi-finals, he was very good and I was caught off guard."
Also, I REALLY hoped that they asked NesTea and KawaiiRice if they could use the replay. Otherwise it was extremely bad form as korean players are very protective of their replays.
Thanks for providing the quote from FXOsC - that should be enought evidence for a lot of people that NesTea doesn't take ladder seriously.
The replay problem that you talk about is also a major factor why NesTea doesn't play his best and shows his strategies on the ladder. He knows that it will be a possibility that they will become public . When that happens his opponents will spend hours to analyze the replays and find some flaw and do some cheese to win a game against him.
NesTea is a creative player that wants to think out new strategies and take his race to whole new levels - it would be dumb to show these strategies on the ladder.
+ NesTea is not a player that plays his best in an online environment with lag when hardly anyone watches it. NesTea is a player that performs the best in broadcasted matches inside a booth. He plays his best when he's got a camera at his face and he knows that the world watches him and the fans cheer for him.
So when we look at NesTeas skill you should look at this and not some ladder- or laggy online tournament.
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This should be in the op
http://postimage.org/image/dwl80484/
Was posted a while ago but the thread was closed after a while. Can't remember who it was that made it I don't take credit though.
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Winner of Nestea/MVP will take on MMA/Polt in the ro8, and then most likely Bomber in the ro4. There isn't anyone on the other of the bracket that can threaten them, this can be a good chance for number4 or number 3 for Nestea/Mvp
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How does nestea play on the ladder? Does he use it to research and test strategies?
Or just to fool around?
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On August 12 2011 10:35 userstupidname wrote:
How does nestea play on the ladder? Does he use it to research and test strategies?
Or just to fool around?
Him and MVP play random and dick around.
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On August 11 2011 10:42 Shalaiyn wrote:
Did Nestea just really all-in and lose against KawaiiRice on the IPL? uhh
If it was an online tourny..you know nestea just didnt give a shit haha
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On August 12 2011 10:43 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 10:42 Shalaiyn wrote:
Did Nestea just really all-in and lose against KawaiiRice on the IPL? uhh If it was an online tourny..you know nestea just didnt give a shit haha
it wasn't an tourney. It was one of those IPL TV day and they were just broadcasting ladder replay games where nestea went all in with roaches ling and bling and gg immediately after.
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Well, he should have won that game. The banelings just didn't follow Prof. Ts hand. Those banelings are somewhat rebellious and unruly, when on ladder.
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Part of Nestea and MVP's dominance are due to their ladder secrecy. People have no idea how they play. What can you say is Nestea's ZvP style? What about his ZvZ style? No one seems to fully understand what he is doing, because vods can only tell you so much.
Do you think MVP could pull off that build vs MC if he had done it before? MC had no idea what to do. Who expects such a huge army and strong composition after a 1 rax fe 10 minutes into the game. I doubt he even saw the raven which is why he went for the hallucination push. MC probably didn't know that 5 stalkers and 3 zealots could have busted down MVPs front and easily won, but nearly every Terran gets 3 rax before fact so that would be really risky.
Ladder means nothing, and if you have training partners as good as IM does, ladder doesn't help much at all. I'm sure they have a team smurf account just to see the current trends of the matchup and to scout other players strategy.
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Neither has one strategy. I don't think it merely comes down to their secrecy, because there is plenty to go by just by watching GSL. Most progamers practice their strategies behind "closed" doors vs teammates, not on ladder. Ladder is just used to keeping your mechanics on par, and maybe try out a build, which you later will refine with teammates. It is not hard to keep some form of secrecy on ladder, since you can make other accounts.
That they are hard to read is because NesTea is innovating in his thinking - most probably because that he has been a coach, which gives a whole other perspective and trains your way to analyze data, and formulate it onto others. NesTea is a responsive Zerg, but also a dictating Zerg, and a thinking man. He has already a general idea what his opponents will do, before the match starts. Due to analyzing them before hand? Maybe so, but also because he understands the mind of the player he plays against, and uses it. When he tries something brand new, it always is executed flawlessly. Yet, he might not ever use it again.
Ie the spines at his opponents base. Perfect execution - perfect timing. Leenock tried the same, and didn't execute flawlessly, and didn't time it well.
Many others just seem to think of their own progress,and there own builds unrelated to whom they face.
MvP just has so many builds. And like NesTea is quite innovative, and very rarely innovative to just be so, but with good reasoning behind it. When they take risks, they do so, because there is a good chance that they will succeed. They are rarely acts of desperation, but precalculated. Like NesTea he is a thinking man. Like a chess players, that thinks ahead of their opponents.
Ie MC is not so innovative, and more easy to predict, and set up a strategy against. It's more about knowing the player, than his builds.
Because of these things, they are hard to place in a certain box, because you can't really say that they will always play a certain way - and therefore hard to analyze. This being said, all players have certain trademarks - or things they like to do, and it shines through, no matter the build.
MMA might have done this very thing, when he beat NesTea at Metalopolis. A map where NesTea excels.
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Taken from Doa's twitter just awhile ago.
DoaSC erik lonnquist
FXOz saw me playing bejeweled blitz. "You know Nestea?" "yeah.." "He bejeweled gosu" Is there any game Nestea can't master?
Nestea, you so baller.
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It has been known for a while but now it's 100% official:
NesTea will come to BlizzCon as one of the Korean invites!
Anyone here in the fanclub that will go? I would love it if NesTea gets a warm welcome from the TL fans :D
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On August 17 2011 15:09 TheSilverfox wrote:
It has been known for a while but now it's 100% official:
NesTea will come to BlizzCon as one of the Korean invites!
Anyone here in the fanclub that will go? I would love it if NesTea gets a warm welcome from the TL fans :D
WTF?! Thats AMAZING!
Source?
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On August 17 2011 18:26 obsKura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 15:09 TheSilverfox wrote:
It has been known for a while but now it's 100% official:
NesTea will come to BlizzCon as one of the Korean invites!
Anyone here in the fanclub that will go? I would love it if NesTea gets a warm welcome from the TL fans :D WTF?! Thats AMAZING! Source?
Here you go: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255828
It's based on GSL points and after NesTeas win in GSL July he has been guaranteed a spot at Blizzcon.
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Oh my god, and everyone thought DRG showing up at a foreign even was huge....
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On August 12 2011 10:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Winner of Nestea/MVP will take on MMA/Polt in the ro8, and then most likely Bomber in the ro4. There isn't anyone on the other of the bracket that can threaten them, this can be a good chance for number4 or number 3 for Nestea/Mvp
No, no, the winner takes on Huk/Nada. Polt will probably take out mma, and get taken out by bomber, who has good TvZ, but nothing special. Basically, if Nestea can beat MVP (which will be hard), then he will have an easy path to the title.
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EPT
