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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 16:52:31
May 10 2011 16:52 GMT
#10061
On May 11 2011 01:51 Noocta wrote:
Hey, just want to ask, how old was Idra on this photo ?
http://i.imgur.com/Ve0ml.jpg

He look so different now, even if you take age in concideration.


18/19 i think
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
May 10 2011 16:53 GMT
#10062
On May 10 2011 23:32 decaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 15:56 BFCrimson wrote:
Since IPL and NASL started, IdrA has an 80% win rate (21-5) without losing a single bo3 or bo5, with wins over players like Select and KiWiKaKi (twice), and his longest win streak of major tournament games of 12. Now that he is in the States with teammates he can talk to 24/7, its just scary how good this guy is getting and it will interesting to see if he can extend his match winning streak to 10

Btw I used the TLPD as source so he may have lost in a tournament that wasn't recorded

IdrA hasn't gotten that much better mechanically since he left Korea. The difference is that his opponents have gotten that much worse.

While you could argue that's true, I think Idra has really added a wide range of builds to his arsennal since Korea. He's bouncing between aggressive attacks, burrow, dropping, and massive macro games.
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 17:01:16
May 10 2011 16:57 GMT
#10063
On May 11 2011 01:53 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 23:32 decaf wrote:
On May 10 2011 15:56 BFCrimson wrote:
Since IPL and NASL started, IdrA has an 80% win rate (21-5) without losing a single bo3 or bo5, with wins over players like Select and KiWiKaKi (twice), and his longest win streak of major tournament games of 12. Now that he is in the States with teammates he can talk to 24/7, its just scary how good this guy is getting and it will interesting to see if he can extend his match winning streak to 10

Btw I used the TLPD as source so he may have lost in a tournament that wasn't recorded

IdrA hasn't gotten that much better mechanically since he left Korea. The difference is that his opponents have gotten that much worse.

While you could argue that's true, I think Idra has really added a wide range of builds to his arsennal since Korea. He's bouncing between aggressive attacks, burrow, dropping, and massive macro games.


Yes, he has even said very recently that he doesn't focus on practicing mechanics, but he just thinks about the game more. It is very obvious that what he said is true because every game with IdrA is something different now. I'm sure IdrA isn't stupid enough to let his mechanics slip, so he is probably practicing mechanics just enough to keep them in shape, but not to improve his mechanics while he works on strategy and stuff.

On May 11 2011 01:40 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
here you go whole :D

From Twitter:

idrajit Greg Fields
vods from EG masters cup days 1 and 2 commentated by me and @djwheat up at http://bit.ly/j9tb56



thanks MonsieurGrimm!
Psycosquirrel
Profile Joined October 2008
United States161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 17:09:21
May 10 2011 17:08 GMT
#10064
On May 11 2011 01:53 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 23:32 decaf wrote:
On May 10 2011 15:56 BFCrimson wrote:
Since IPL and NASL started, IdrA has an 80% win rate (21-5) without losing a single bo3 or bo5, with wins over players like Select and KiWiKaKi (twice), and his longest win streak of major tournament games of 12. Now that he is in the States with teammates he can talk to 24/7, its just scary how good this guy is getting and it will interesting to see if he can extend his match winning streak to 10

Btw I used the TLPD as source so he may have lost in a tournament that wasn't recorded

IdrA hasn't gotten that much better mechanically since he left Korea. The difference is that his opponents have gotten that much worse.

While you could argue that's true, I think Idra has really added a wide range of builds to his arsennal since Korea. He's bouncing between aggressive attacks, burrow, dropping, and massive macro games.


I completely agree. He may not have improved much mechanically, but his play has really diversified. I think this partly is due to there being so many different styles in the foreign community relative to the koreans. I think the biggest improvement though has been in his series play (don't know a better word for it). What I mean by this is that he is approaching a match as a whole series, not just a sequence of games. He's been using builds early in series to set up play later on in that series.
cubicle47b
Profile Joined October 2010
United States14 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 17:12:51
May 10 2011 17:11 GMT
#10065
I like how Chill has kind of become a fixture of Idra threads since the ban.

He's definitely expanded the number of builds he does. He's added roach timing attacks versus Terran when they early expand although if that push fails he falls back on ling/bling/muta with (eventually) infestors and then broodlords to end the game. And, of course, his ZvP has changed fairly dramatically. Roach/ling all-ins, roach/corruptor aggression to keep stalker/collossi counts low until hive/greater spire are finished, burrowed roaches to kill sentries, roach or hydra drops, ling/bling with bling mineral line and doom drops, etc. I don't think his ZvZ has really changed. The goal is always to move to a safe roach/infestor army, the early game just varies based on the map/opponent.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
May 10 2011 17:21 GMT
#10066
On May 10 2011 22:58 leBIGcrab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 17:28 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
You guys ever think Idra will become like some sort of Bobby Fischer? In the future, when football is defeated, and everyone watches starcraft, people will hate him for his cockiness, but won't be able to help but acknowledge his skills.


comparing IdrA to Bobby Fischer is for sure the best compliment he ever had


Except Bobby Fischer had some severe social issues and ended up a raving and paranoid lunatic...
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Knuppe
Profile Joined April 2011
90 Posts
May 10 2011 18:39 GMT
#10067
Idras commentary is just crazy. I mean he basicly predicts the game so good its almost boring to watch :D
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 10 2011 18:52 GMT
#10068
The game, at least TvZ, has balanced a lot since he left korea, it's now one of the funnest and most balanced matchups. Some zerg still complain about early bunker shenanigans, and some terrans complain about the brood lord + infestor combo (mostly the ones that don't know ghost exists), but it is still fun.

ZvZ is far more "figured out" now, and players with better mechanics are having amazing success in it. IdrA, NesTea, Losira all have extremely high ZvZ win rates. July is the only one with a lot win rate there for some reason.

As for ZvP, zergs are trying a looooooooot of stuff out. NesTea is using things like lair + spine rushes, idra is trying mass drop tactics, losira doing medium econ constant unit-pressure to keep protoss on 2 base and whittle them down, etc.
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Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
May 10 2011 19:17 GMT
#10069
IdrA will be playing in the Stars War RO16 Day 2 match in about 3h, be sure to tune in to ICCUPTV then. It will be an english rebroadcast, so the Chinese already know the results, but hopefully people will still find it interesting.


MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 19:23:30
May 10 2011 19:23 GMT
#10070
On May 11 2011 01:57 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 01:53 Chill wrote:
On May 10 2011 23:32 decaf wrote:
On May 10 2011 15:56 BFCrimson wrote:
Since IPL and NASL started, IdrA has an 80% win rate (21-5) without losing a single bo3 or bo5, with wins over players like Select and KiWiKaKi (twice), and his longest win streak of major tournament games of 12. Now that he is in the States with teammates he can talk to 24/7, its just scary how good this guy is getting and it will interesting to see if he can extend his match winning streak to 10

Btw I used the TLPD as source so he may have lost in a tournament that wasn't recorded

IdrA hasn't gotten that much better mechanically since he left Korea. The difference is that his opponents have gotten that much worse.

While you could argue that's true, I think Idra has really added a wide range of builds to his arsennal since Korea. He's bouncing between aggressive attacks, burrow, dropping, and massive macro games.


Yes, he has even said very recently that he doesn't focus on practicing mechanics, but he just thinks about the game more. It is very obvious that what he said is true because every game with IdrA is something different now. I'm sure IdrA isn't stupid enough to let his mechanics slip, so he is probably practicing mechanics just enough to keep them in shape, but not to improve his mechanics while he works on strategy and stuff.

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 01:40 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
here you go whole :D

From Twitter:

idrajit Greg Fields
vods from EG masters cup days 1 and 2 commentated by me and @djwheat up at http://bit.ly/j9tb56



thanks MonsieurGrimm!

I mean, it's not like his mechanics need that much improvement tbh. I don't think I've ever seen him play and thought "oh, his macro is slipping" or "oh, he needed to control that much better". Usually it's the decision making (and sometimes cointossing) that gets him.

And you're welcome :3
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
ratMortar
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada282 Posts
May 10 2011 19:30 GMT
#10071
One thing that's concerning about IdrA's recent strategies is how he's saying that most of the time he just guesses.

Now you can argue that he uses his knowledge of a player's style against him, but you also have to admit that rolling the dice to win makes for a poor game.

He's a great player, with a deep understanding of the game, so his reads on opponent's is pretty spot on. But he's mentioned in several shows and interviews that one of the reasons it's been working recently is because players don't expect IdrA to all-in during games, so when he does do it, they get caught off-guard. The problem is that eventually people will figure it out and he'll have to go back to the drawing board.

Without a doubt, he's showing that he's a better player than the majority of foreigners. I'm just hoping that his riskier plays don't come back to bite him in the big tournaments like NASL or IPL S2.
LekTr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States24 Posts
May 10 2011 19:39 GMT
#10072
I dont get it.

Huk BMing Idra is ok and Idra BMing Chill is not ok???
this is stupid

User was warned for this post
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 19:50:17
May 10 2011 19:43 GMT
#10073
On May 11 2011 04:39 LekTr wrote:
I dont get it.

Huk BMing Idra is ok and Idra BMing Chill is not ok???
this is stupid

please dont start it all over again, it will just lead to a discussion that will get this fanclub locked again.
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
May 10 2011 19:49 GMT
#10074
IdrA, you are my favourite to win NASL
Not even death can save you from me.
Absolutionn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
May 10 2011 19:52 GMT
#10075
On May 11 2011 04:43 damod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 04:39 LekTr wrote:
I dont get it.

Huk BMing Idra is ok and Idra BMing Chill is not ok???
this is stupid

please dont start it all over again, it will just lead to a discussion that will get this fanclub locked again.

Dont worry he'll get that post reported or something.
Jinro | Idra | Qxc | Select
Ohdamn
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany765 Posts
May 10 2011 19:59 GMT
#10076
huk bming idra? what did i miss
"If you can chill....chill!"
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
May 10 2011 20:00 GMT
#10077
On May 11 2011 04:30 ratMortar wrote:
One thing that's concerning about IdrA's recent strategies is how he's saying that most of the time he just guesses.

Now you can argue that he uses his knowledge of a player's style against him, but you also have to admit that rolling the dice to win makes for a poor game.

He's a great player, with a deep understanding of the game, so his reads on opponent's is pretty spot on. But he's mentioned in several shows and interviews that one of the reasons it's been working recently is because players don't expect IdrA to all-in during games, so when he does do it, they get caught off-guard. The problem is that eventually people will figure it out and he'll have to go back to the drawing board.

Without a doubt, he's showing that he's a better player than the majority of foreigners. I'm just hoping that his riskier plays don't come back to bite him in the big tournaments like NASL or IPL S2.


It is important to, as a macro-oriented player, force your opponent to "play honestly" which until recently IdrA has not forced people to. He used to never (0% of the time) do anything that wasn't macro oriented. This gave people infinite opportunities to abuse timing attacks and rushes and cheese. Finally IdrA is changing the "meta-game" when it comes to him. As long as he continues to be more aggressive early game say ~ 20% of the time, he's far more free to play macro games the other 80%.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
May 10 2011 20:00 GMT
#10078
On May 11 2011 04:30 ratMortar wrote:
Now you can argue that he uses his knowledge of a player's style against him, but you also have to admit that rolling the dice to win makes for a poor game.


This is 100% Blizzard's fault and not IdrA's, he plays the game to win first and foremost and right now as Zerg coinflipping is a lot of the time the only way to win.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Pokedude1013
Profile Joined August 2010
116 Posts
May 10 2011 21:11 GMT
#10079
[QUOTE]On May 11 2011 05:00 Shai wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 11 2011 04:30 ratMortar wrote:
He used to never (0% of the time) .[/QUOTE]

You haven't watched him play that much have you

There's a difference between aggressive early game and all-inning, which is what he has been doing lately. The problem with an all-in is that it's a coin flip in of itself, which means that the lesser skilled player has a higher chance of winning; which is obviously why he doesn't do it.

The problem is his opponents are usually if not always coin-flipping. So coin flip against coin flip? He's been getting wins off of that, but as he said himself he doesn't even consider them real wins.
Get out
Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
May 10 2011 21:18 GMT
#10080
On May 11 2011 04:30 ratMortar wrote:
One thing that's concerning about IdrA's recent strategies is how he's saying that most of the time he just guesses.


im concerned too. take for example his third nasl game vs socke. the commentators were going on about how smart he was to counter socke. but then idra posted that he just guessed, because he couldn't gather the info he was supposed to. ideally we would like to see something like "i saw x so i did y" but sometimes it's just like "i guessed he was going for that so i did this."
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