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On May 11 2011 01:51 Noocta wrote:Hey, just want to ask, how old was Idra on this photo ? http://i.imgur.com/Ve0ml.jpgHe look so different now, even if you take age in concideration.
18/19 i think
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On May 10 2011 23:32 decaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 15:56 BFCrimson wrote: Since IPL and NASL started, IdrA has an 80% win rate (21-5) without losing a single bo3 or bo5, with wins over players like Select and KiWiKaKi (twice), and his longest win streak of major tournament games of 12. Now that he is in the States with teammates he can talk to 24/7, its just scary how good this guy is getting and it will interesting to see if he can extend his match winning streak to 10
Btw I used the TLPD as source so he may have lost in a tournament that wasn't recorded IdrA hasn't gotten that much better mechanically since he left Korea. The difference is that his opponents have gotten that much worse. While you could argue that's true, I think Idra has really added a wide range of builds to his arsennal since Korea. He's bouncing between aggressive attacks, burrow, dropping, and massive macro games.
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On May 11 2011 01:53 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 23:32 decaf wrote:On May 10 2011 15:56 BFCrimson wrote: Since IPL and NASL started, IdrA has an 80% win rate (21-5) without losing a single bo3 or bo5, with wins over players like Select and KiWiKaKi (twice), and his longest win streak of major tournament games of 12. Now that he is in the States with teammates he can talk to 24/7, its just scary how good this guy is getting and it will interesting to see if he can extend his match winning streak to 10
Btw I used the TLPD as source so he may have lost in a tournament that wasn't recorded IdrA hasn't gotten that much better mechanically since he left Korea. The difference is that his opponents have gotten that much worse. While you could argue that's true, I think Idra has really added a wide range of builds to his arsennal since Korea. He's bouncing between aggressive attacks, burrow, dropping, and massive macro games.
Yes, he has even said very recently that he doesn't focus on practicing mechanics, but he just thinks about the game more. It is very obvious that what he said is true because every game with IdrA is something different now. I'm sure IdrA isn't stupid enough to let his mechanics slip, so he is probably practicing mechanics just enough to keep them in shape, but not to improve his mechanics while he works on strategy and stuff.
On May 11 2011 01:40 MonsieurGrimm wrote:here you go whole :D From Twitter: idrajit Greg Fields vods from EG masters cup days 1 and 2 commentated by me and @djwheat up at http://bit.ly/j9tb56
thanks MonsieurGrimm!
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On May 11 2011 01:53 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 23:32 decaf wrote:On May 10 2011 15:56 BFCrimson wrote: Since IPL and NASL started, IdrA has an 80% win rate (21-5) without losing a single bo3 or bo5, with wins over players like Select and KiWiKaKi (twice), and his longest win streak of major tournament games of 12. Now that he is in the States with teammates he can talk to 24/7, its just scary how good this guy is getting and it will interesting to see if he can extend his match winning streak to 10
Btw I used the TLPD as source so he may have lost in a tournament that wasn't recorded IdrA hasn't gotten that much better mechanically since he left Korea. The difference is that his opponents have gotten that much worse. While you could argue that's true, I think Idra has really added a wide range of builds to his arsennal since Korea. He's bouncing between aggressive attacks, burrow, dropping, and massive macro games.
I completely agree. He may not have improved much mechanically, but his play has really diversified. I think this partly is due to there being so many different styles in the foreign community relative to the koreans. I think the biggest improvement though has been in his series play (don't know a better word for it). What I mean by this is that he is approaching a match as a whole series, not just a sequence of games. He's been using builds early in series to set up play later on in that series.
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I like how Chill has kind of become a fixture of Idra threads since the ban.
He's definitely expanded the number of builds he does. He's added roach timing attacks versus Terran when they early expand although if that push fails he falls back on ling/bling/muta with (eventually) infestors and then broodlords to end the game. And, of course, his ZvP has changed fairly dramatically. Roach/ling all-ins, roach/corruptor aggression to keep stalker/collossi counts low until hive/greater spire are finished, burrowed roaches to kill sentries, roach or hydra drops, ling/bling with bling mineral line and doom drops, etc. I don't think his ZvZ has really changed. The goal is always to move to a safe roach/infestor army, the early game just varies based on the map/opponent.
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On May 10 2011 22:58 leBIGcrab wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 17:28 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: You guys ever think Idra will become like some sort of Bobby Fischer? In the future, when football is defeated, and everyone watches starcraft, people will hate him for his cockiness, but won't be able to help but acknowledge his skills. comparing IdrA to Bobby Fischer is for sure the best compliment he ever had
Except Bobby Fischer had some severe social issues and ended up a raving and paranoid lunatic...
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Idras commentary is just crazy. I mean he basicly predicts the game so good its almost boring to watch :D
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The game, at least TvZ, has balanced a lot since he left korea, it's now one of the funnest and most balanced matchups. Some zerg still complain about early bunker shenanigans, and some terrans complain about the brood lord + infestor combo (mostly the ones that don't know ghost exists), but it is still fun.
ZvZ is far more "figured out" now, and players with better mechanics are having amazing success in it. IdrA, NesTea, Losira all have extremely high ZvZ win rates. July is the only one with a lot win rate there for some reason.
As for ZvP, zergs are trying a looooooooot of stuff out. NesTea is using things like lair + spine rushes, idra is trying mass drop tactics, losira doing medium econ constant unit-pressure to keep protoss on 2 base and whittle them down, etc.
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IdrA will be playing in the Stars War RO16 Day 2 match in about 3h, be sure to tune in to ICCUPTV then. It will be an english rebroadcast, so the Chinese already know the results, but hopefully people will still find it interesting.
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On May 11 2011 01:57 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 01:53 Chill wrote:On May 10 2011 23:32 decaf wrote:On May 10 2011 15:56 BFCrimson wrote: Since IPL and NASL started, IdrA has an 80% win rate (21-5) without losing a single bo3 or bo5, with wins over players like Select and KiWiKaKi (twice), and his longest win streak of major tournament games of 12. Now that he is in the States with teammates he can talk to 24/7, its just scary how good this guy is getting and it will interesting to see if he can extend his match winning streak to 10
Btw I used the TLPD as source so he may have lost in a tournament that wasn't recorded IdrA hasn't gotten that much better mechanically since he left Korea. The difference is that his opponents have gotten that much worse. While you could argue that's true, I think Idra has really added a wide range of builds to his arsennal since Korea. He's bouncing between aggressive attacks, burrow, dropping, and massive macro games. Yes, he has even said very recently that he doesn't focus on practicing mechanics, but he just thinks about the game more. It is very obvious that what he said is true because every game with IdrA is something different now. I'm sure IdrA isn't stupid enough to let his mechanics slip, so he is probably practicing mechanics just enough to keep them in shape, but not to improve his mechanics while he works on strategy and stuff. Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 01:40 MonsieurGrimm wrote:here you go whole :D From Twitter: idrajit Greg Fields vods from EG masters cup days 1 and 2 commentated by me and @djwheat up at http://bit.ly/j9tb56 thanks MonsieurGrimm! I mean, it's not like his mechanics need that much improvement tbh. I don't think I've ever seen him play and thought "oh, his macro is slipping" or "oh, he needed to control that much better". Usually it's the decision making (and sometimes cointossing) that gets him.
And you're welcome :3
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One thing that's concerning about IdrA's recent strategies is how he's saying that most of the time he just guesses.
Now you can argue that he uses his knowledge of a player's style against him, but you also have to admit that rolling the dice to win makes for a poor game.
He's a great player, with a deep understanding of the game, so his reads on opponent's is pretty spot on. But he's mentioned in several shows and interviews that one of the reasons it's been working recently is because players don't expect IdrA to all-in during games, so when he does do it, they get caught off-guard. The problem is that eventually people will figure it out and he'll have to go back to the drawing board.
Without a doubt, he's showing that he's a better player than the majority of foreigners. I'm just hoping that his riskier plays don't come back to bite him in the big tournaments like NASL or IPL S2.
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I dont get it.
Huk BMing Idra is ok and Idra BMing Chill is not ok??? this is stupid
User was warned for this post
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On May 11 2011 04:39 LekTr wrote: I dont get it.
Huk BMing Idra is ok and Idra BMing Chill is not ok??? this is stupid please dont start it all over again, it will just lead to a discussion that will get this fanclub locked again.
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IdrA, you are my favourite to win NASL
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On May 11 2011 04:43 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 04:39 LekTr wrote: I dont get it.
Huk BMing Idra is ok and Idra BMing Chill is not ok??? this is stupid please dont start it all over again, it will just lead to a discussion that will get this fanclub locked again. Dont worry he'll get that post reported or something.
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huk bming idra? what did i miss
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On May 11 2011 04:30 ratMortar wrote: One thing that's concerning about IdrA's recent strategies is how he's saying that most of the time he just guesses.
Now you can argue that he uses his knowledge of a player's style against him, but you also have to admit that rolling the dice to win makes for a poor game.
He's a great player, with a deep understanding of the game, so his reads on opponent's is pretty spot on. But he's mentioned in several shows and interviews that one of the reasons it's been working recently is because players don't expect IdrA to all-in during games, so when he does do it, they get caught off-guard. The problem is that eventually people will figure it out and he'll have to go back to the drawing board.
Without a doubt, he's showing that he's a better player than the majority of foreigners. I'm just hoping that his riskier plays don't come back to bite him in the big tournaments like NASL or IPL S2.
It is important to, as a macro-oriented player, force your opponent to "play honestly" which until recently IdrA has not forced people to. He used to never (0% of the time) do anything that wasn't macro oriented. This gave people infinite opportunities to abuse timing attacks and rushes and cheese. Finally IdrA is changing the "meta-game" when it comes to him. As long as he continues to be more aggressive early game say ~ 20% of the time, he's far more free to play macro games the other 80%.
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On May 11 2011 04:30 ratMortar wrote: Now you can argue that he uses his knowledge of a player's style against him, but you also have to admit that rolling the dice to win makes for a poor game.
This is 100% Blizzard's fault and not IdrA's, he plays the game to win first and foremost and right now as Zerg coinflipping is a lot of the time the only way to win.
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[QUOTE]On May 11 2011 05:00 Shai wrote: [QUOTE]On May 11 2011 04:30 ratMortar wrote: He used to never (0% of the time) .[/QUOTE]
You haven't watched him play that much have you
There's a difference between aggressive early game and all-inning, which is what he has been doing lately. The problem with an all-in is that it's a coin flip in of itself, which means that the lesser skilled player has a higher chance of winning; which is obviously why he doesn't do it.
The problem is his opponents are usually if not always coin-flipping. So coin flip against coin flip? He's been getting wins off of that, but as he said himself he doesn't even consider them real wins.
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On May 11 2011 04:30 ratMortar wrote: One thing that's concerning about IdrA's recent strategies is how he's saying that most of the time he just guesses.
im concerned too. take for example his third nasl game vs socke. the commentators were going on about how smart he was to counter socke. but then idra posted that he just guessed, because he couldn't gather the info he was supposed to. ideally we would like to see something like "i saw x so i did y" but sometimes it's just like "i guessed he was going for that so i did this."
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