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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:25 Perseverance wrote: Anybody got a good idea of how much money he makes an hour while streaming? i believe, im probbaly wrong, but every 1000 viewers gets him $1 per commercial so if he has 5k viewers and runs 10 commercials in one session he gets $50 i think thats right, but im not sure the exact numbers | ||
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:31 dapierow wrote: Hydras are supposed to counter them you idiot... get out of bronze then post about the game Hydras without tanking units (at least a few roaches or lings) are generally worse than roach ling but, with those units, are generally considered a good counter to blink stalkers. Of course as you know who wins a battle depends on a number of variables including upgrades, who has the better concave and whether you're attacking on or off creep. | ||
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:43 The_Darkness wrote: Hydras without tanking units (at least a few roaches or lings) are generally worse than roach ling but, with those units, are generally considered a good counter to blink stalkers. Of course as you know who wins a battle depends on a number of variables including upgrades, who has the better concave and whether you're attacking on or off creep. Wouldn't have mattered if he had 20 roaches in the front, there were both immortals and blink stalkers to crush them and the hydras. It's kind of silly that the only good zerg unit is the infestor. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:46 Olsson wrote: Wouldn't have mattered if he had 20 roaches in the front, there were both immortals and blink stalkers to crush them and the hydras. It's kind of silly that the only good zerg unit is the infestor. ling is a pretty good unit to tank dmg to bro =) | ||
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
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goldora
Canada16 Posts
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:57 Kznn wrote: ling is a pretty good unit to tank dmg to bro =) Not against such a huge ball with forcefields. Lings lose their efficiency against balls of unit that exceed a number of supply. Besides that they're extremely larvae inefficient. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On March 15 2012 07:05 Olsson wrote: Not against such a huge ball with forcefields. Lings lose their efficiency against balls of unit that exceed a number of supply. Besides that they're extremely larvae inefficient. are you really going to want to argue in this thread about how zerg is a pathetic race with no good units? it's not at all relevant | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 15 2012 07:03 goldora wrote: He should stop complaining about the other players and concentrate more about his mistakes I think. I think he needs either a revelation or a break, or something. His mentality just isn't working at the moment, he needs some time out, or indeed maybe just a break from the community: have a good period of just working on the game/thinking about the game without the distraction and childishness of the community to worry about. | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On March 15 2012 07:33 Aocowns wrote: Evoli is killing e-Sports :C =p At least Evoli said he'd be back in like an hour. | ||
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TUski
United States1258 Posts
Who's with me? The topic has been discussed to death. We need some new wallpaper. | ||
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Antimatterz
United States1010 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
He said yesterday that Stephano is able to do well in tournaments because he's so solid against worse players. Okay - then what about IdrA? Why does IdrA lose to players worse than him? It's one thing if this is a fault of the game, a flaw of SC 2, but seeing the way IdrA plays and loses and the way Stephano plays and loses you don't get that feeling. IdrA loses because IdrA is not as solid. He knows this, his observers know this, now's the time to do something about it. When IdrA said that he thought Stephano was maphacking before he went to offline events that right there said a lot about IdrA's weaknesses as a player. If he can address those, then there is hope. Otherwise, he's never going to be the player he wants to be. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On March 15 2012 08:08 Azarkon wrote: Compare IdrA's win rate when he streams @ high NA masters/GM to Stephano's win rate when he streams @ #1 EU GM and you can already see the problem. Okay, you say, but IdrA doesn't care about ladder - then what does he care about? Because he loses in tournaments like he loses on ladder - to players he thinks are worse than him. He said yesterday that Stephano is able to do well in tournaments because he's so solid against worse players. Okay - then what about IdrA? Why does IdrA lose to players worse than him? It's one thing if this is a fault of the game, a flaw of SC 2, but seeing the way IdrA plays and loses and the way Stephano plays and loses you don't get that feeling. IdrA loses because IdrA is not as solid. He knows this, his observers know this, now's the time to do something about it. When IdrA said that he thought Stephano was maphacking before he went to offline events that right there said a lot about IdrA's weaknesses as a player. If he can address those, then there is hope. Otherwise, he's never going to be the player he wants to be. what youve jsut said is so wrong it makes my brain hurt IdrA said that Stephano was good in ZvP becuase he understood Protoss timings really well not becuase he does well agaisnt players worst them him, being good against people under you is such a pointless skill... also IdrA ladders in NA and Stephano ladders in EU, NA people use dumb strats that dont actually make sense, arent refined and hit at wierd timings that can still be deadly if your not prepared, ive heard teh EU ladder is more like the Korean ladder so people actually use more refined builds that are then easier for a pro to stop | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 15 2012 08:11 Forikorder wrote: what youve jsut said is so wrong it makes my brain hurt IdrA said that Stephano was good in ZvP becuase he understood Protoss timings really well not becuase he does well agaisnt players worst them him, being good against people under you is such a pointless skill... also IdrA ladders in NA and Stephano ladders in EU, NA people use dumb strats that dont actually make sense, arent refined and hit at wierd timings that can still be deadly if your not prepared, ive heard teh EU ladder is more like the Korean ladder so people actually use more refined builds that are then easier for a pro to stop He said both - listen to his Q&A again. IdrA is less solid than Stephano both on ladder and in tournaments, and from what he said yesterday I think he knows this. He doesn't need sycophants, not at this stage in his career. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 15 2012 08:11 Forikorder wrote: what youve jsut said is so wrong it makes my brain hurt IdrA said that Stephano was good in ZvP becuase he understood Protoss timings really well not becuase he does well agaisnt players worst them him, being good against people under you is such a pointless skill... also IdrA ladders in NA and Stephano ladders in EU, NA people use dumb strats that dont actually make sense, arent refined and hit at wierd timings that can still be deadly if your not prepared, ive heard teh EU ladder is more like the Korean ladder so people actually use more refined builds that are then easier for a pro to stop Just want to point out, EU ladder has the same dumb strats on there to that dont' make since just like NA lol. Not really a good excuse  . EU ladder isnt' as challenging as kr ladder either, its a lot better then NA, but still quiet far behind KR ladder. | ||
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Lefaa
Finland313 Posts
On March 15 2012 08:08 Azarkon wrote: Compare IdrA's win rate when he streams @ high NA masters/GM to Stephano's win rate when he streams @ #1 EU GM and you can already see the problem. Okay, you say, but IdrA doesn't care about ladder - then what does he care about? Because he loses in tournaments like he loses on ladder - to players he thinks are worse than him. He said yesterday that Stephano is able to do well in tournaments because he's so solid against worse players. Okay - then what about IdrA? Why does IdrA lose to players worse than him? It's one thing if this is a fault of the game, a flaw of SC 2, but seeing the way IdrA plays and loses and the way Stephano plays and loses you don't get that feeling. IdrA loses because IdrA is not as solid. He knows this, his observers know this, now's the time to do something about it. When IdrA said that he thought Stephano was maphacking before he went to offline events that right there said a lot about IdrA's weaknesses as a player. If he can address those, then there is hope. Otherwise, he's never going to be the player he wants to be. In my opinion idra loses against worse players in tournaments, because he is nervous. He know that everyone is expecting him to win and everyone has also high expectations, especially since he were in Korea. He gets nervous and doesn't play like he should play and then might leave early etc. He always plays very good against good players (like Koreans), because then he doesn't have so much pressure, since none is really expecting him to win and everyone knows that the opponent isn't any walkover. He need little more self-confidence imo. that's my conclusion. | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1274 Posts
On March 15 2012 08:11 Forikorder wrote: also IdrA ladders in NA and Stephano ladders in EU, NA people use dumb strats that dont actually make sense, arent refined and hit at wierd timings that can still be deadly if your not prepared, ive heard teh EU ladder is more like the Korean ladder so people actually use more refined builds that are then easier for a pro to stop Wait, you aren't really arguing NA ladder is harder for Idra because it's... weaker? And more builds refined are easier to stop? | ||
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Baio
112 Posts
On March 15 2012 08:11 Forikorder wrote: what youve jsut said is so wrong it makes my brain hurt IdrA said that Stephano was good in ZvP becuase he understood Protoss timings really well not becuase he does well agaisnt players worst them him, being good against people under you is such a pointless skill... also IdrA ladders in NA and Stephano ladders in EU, NA people use dumb strats that dont actually make sense, arent refined and hit at wierd timings that can still be deadly if your not prepared, ive heard teh EU ladder is more like the Korean ladder so people actually use more refined builds that are then easier for a pro to stop Do you really believe what you say? Cause that would make my brain hurt........I don't know if Stephano starts laddering on NA but if he does you can be more than sure that he will go on some insane streak. Just because he doesn't lose against "retarded" stuff like pylon blocks Idra frequently loses against. If you really believe that pros have to fear weird builds over refined builds why aren't tournament players using completely random and werid builds? Because they are not good and obviously easier to stop. Stephano is the far better player and it has nothing to do with the ladder both play on.....sadly. I really wish idra would play like Stephano and not be afraid to play from heavy economic and positional disadvantages and put up a million crawlers if it is necessary because he believes in his macro. What makes me happy is that idra is actually learning although very very slowly. | ||
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