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zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 22:00:02
March 13 2012 21:59 GMT
#37161
He could just wait until the transition to HotS with switching race. There should be plenty of time to learn a new race at least decently while the other pros are still learning all the new tactics.

Or he could switch now and aim to be on par with the others for the release of HotS.

Both works I guess.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 13 2012 23:04 GMT
#37162
On March 14 2012 06:59 zodde wrote:
He could just wait until the transition to HotS with switching race. There should be plenty of time to learn a new race at least decently while the other pros are still learning all the new tactics.

Or he could switch now and aim to be on par with the others for the release of HotS.

Both works I guess.

no learning teh strategys doesnt take a long time you jsut have to check some replays and copy them until you get a feel for it

the real thing he would be behind on is stuff like scanning, knowing when to mule, stutterstep, siege tank positioning, dropping e.t.c all the stuff tha tpros spend all there time trying to master

basically he doesnt want to switch because it would take too long to master the mechanics more then the strategy
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
March 13 2012 23:36 GMT
#37163
Idra no ITG? What's up with that? D:
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#37164
On March 14 2012 08:04 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 06:59 zodde wrote:
He could just wait until the transition to HotS with switching race. There should be plenty of time to learn a new race at least decently while the other pros are still learning all the new tactics.

Or he could switch now and aim to be on par with the others for the release of HotS.

Both works I guess.

no learning teh strategys doesnt take a long time you jsut have to check some replays and copy them until you get a feel for it

the real thing he would be behind on is stuff like scanning, knowing when to mule, stutterstep, siege tank positioning, dropping e.t.c all the stuff tha tpros spend all there time trying to master

basically he doesnt want to switch because it would take too long to master the mechanics more then the strategy


The game will be totally different when HotS is out, you can't just copy builds and strategies when no one has figured out the best way to play the new game yet.

People (other pros) having to figure out all the new things gives IdrA some time to learn the mechanics of a new race.
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
March 14 2012 00:13 GMT
#37165
i really think he should switch back to terran
IM & EG supporter
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 14 2012 00:30 GMT
#37166
On March 14 2012 09:06 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 08:04 Forikorder wrote:
On March 14 2012 06:59 zodde wrote:
He could just wait until the transition to HotS with switching race. There should be plenty of time to learn a new race at least decently while the other pros are still learning all the new tactics.

Or he could switch now and aim to be on par with the others for the release of HotS.

Both works I guess.

no learning teh strategys doesnt take a long time you jsut have to check some replays and copy them until you get a feel for it

the real thing he would be behind on is stuff like scanning, knowing when to mule, stutterstep, siege tank positioning, dropping e.t.c all the stuff tha tpros spend all there time trying to master

basically he doesnt want to switch because it would take too long to master the mechanics more then the strategy


The game will be totally different when HotS is out, you can't just copy builds and strategies when no one has figured out the best way to play the new game yet.

People (other pros) having to figure out all the new things gives IdrA some time to learn the mechanics of a new race.

right there will be new startegys to learn but theres no difference between learning mechanics now and learning the mechanics later it would still take the same amount of master the mechanics if he started right now then if he started when HoTS comes out and learning the strats would take longer when HoTS comes out since there will be so MANY strategys popping out and so many iterations of them
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 14 2012 01:14 GMT
#37167
On March 14 2012 09:30 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 09:06 zodde wrote:
On March 14 2012 08:04 Forikorder wrote:
On March 14 2012 06:59 zodde wrote:
He could just wait until the transition to HotS with switching race. There should be plenty of time to learn a new race at least decently while the other pros are still learning all the new tactics.

Or he could switch now and aim to be on par with the others for the release of HotS.

Both works I guess.

no learning teh strategys doesnt take a long time you jsut have to check some replays and copy them until you get a feel for it

the real thing he would be behind on is stuff like scanning, knowing when to mule, stutterstep, siege tank positioning, dropping e.t.c all the stuff tha tpros spend all there time trying to master

basically he doesnt want to switch because it would take too long to master the mechanics more then the strategy


The game will be totally different when HotS is out, you can't just copy builds and strategies when no one has figured out the best way to play the new game yet.

People (other pros) having to figure out all the new things gives IdrA some time to learn the mechanics of a new race.

right there will be new startegys to learn but theres no difference between learning mechanics now and learning the mechanics later it would still take the same amount of master the mechanics if he started right now then if he started when HoTS comes out and learning the strats would take longer when HoTS comes out since there will be so MANY strategys popping out and so many iterations of them


Missing my point there. I'm thinking that if he switched to terran just before/just after HotS is released, he wouldn't be the only one not playing to his full potential. The other pros are trying out strats and builds, he's learning a new race. He will still be behind the others, but there will be a window where no one can really be expected to do that well because they're simply playing a new game. Why not use that oppurtunity to switch race as well?

Also, people have switched races before with atleast some success, for example Morrow.

I think he should go for it. If he really wants to play terran rather than zerg, just switch asap instead of waiting a few more years to when it definitely won't be possible.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 14 2012 01:19 GMT
#37168
On March 14 2012 10:14 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 09:30 Forikorder wrote:
On March 14 2012 09:06 zodde wrote:
On March 14 2012 08:04 Forikorder wrote:
On March 14 2012 06:59 zodde wrote:
He could just wait until the transition to HotS with switching race. There should be plenty of time to learn a new race at least decently while the other pros are still learning all the new tactics.

Or he could switch now and aim to be on par with the others for the release of HotS.

Both works I guess.

no learning teh strategys doesnt take a long time you jsut have to check some replays and copy them until you get a feel for it

the real thing he would be behind on is stuff like scanning, knowing when to mule, stutterstep, siege tank positioning, dropping e.t.c all the stuff tha tpros spend all there time trying to master

basically he doesnt want to switch because it would take too long to master the mechanics more then the strategy


The game will be totally different when HotS is out, you can't just copy builds and strategies when no one has figured out the best way to play the new game yet.

People (other pros) having to figure out all the new things gives IdrA some time to learn the mechanics of a new race.

right there will be new startegys to learn but theres no difference between learning mechanics now and learning the mechanics later it would still take the same amount of master the mechanics if he started right now then if he started when HoTS comes out and learning the strats would take longer when HoTS comes out since there will be so MANY strategys popping out and so many iterations of them


Missing my point there. I'm thinking that if he switched to terran just before/just after HotS is released, he wouldn't be the only one not playing to his full potential. The other pros are trying out strats and builds, he's learning a new race. He will still be behind the others, but there will be a window where no one can really be expected to do that well because they're simply playing a new game. Why not use that oppurtunity to switch race as well?

Also, people have switched races before with atleast some success, for example Morrow.

I think he should go for it. If he really wants to play terran rather than zerg, just switch asap instead of waiting a few more years to when it definitely won't be possible.

its funny you use Morrow as an example since he doesnt paly ZvZ, he didnt really switch races he jsut started playing ZvP instead of TvP and stopped playing TvT

there is no safe spot for IdrA to switch races and noone really notice, theres so many events going on that hed have to skip tournaments for awhile in order to actually get his terran to a level that would matter tournys arent gonna stop jsut becuase HoTS is comming out theres gonna be tournys ight up will the release date and right after and probably some during

even if he switchs when HoTS comes out, hell be way far behind everyone else, becuase theyll look at the top Terrans and say "well this strat isnt the best but then noone has the best strat yet but his mechanics are solid" then therell be IdrA who itll be "well his strat isnt the best but noone has the best yet but its his mechanics that are killing him"
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
March 14 2012 03:18 GMT
#37169
On March 14 2012 09:13 AgentChaos wrote:
i really think he should switch back to terran


Actually I kind of agree. Since the Beta, terran has had a harass heavy play style that includes banshees, MMM with drop play, hellions, and abusing various timings. This doesn't suit IdrA's play style at all. However, IdrA has also gone on record to say that defensive terran is the future and has advocated that terrans should sit back and macro.

Some of the most successful terrans, both korean and foreign, have been great macro players. Mvp, MMA, thorzain to list a few. Since I'm a zerg player myself, my wish is to see him remain true to the swarm. But... if Idra feels like he would be a better/more successful player as terran, then I support that decision 100%.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
March 14 2012 04:16 GMT
#37170
Honestly, I don't think switching to terran will make a big difference. IMO idra's problem is his style. He focuses mostly on trying to out macro his opponent. This works vs Foreigners because they can't keep up with his mechanics. However, the Koreans and top Foreigners are able to match his mechanics and beat him with a combination of other factors. He needs to try a style that is more dynamic, aggressive, exploitative, and less predictable.

I have to admit, it would be interesting to see him switch races.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 14 2012 04:19 GMT
#37171
On March 14 2012 10:19 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 10:14 zodde wrote:
On March 14 2012 09:30 Forikorder wrote:
On March 14 2012 09:06 zodde wrote:
On March 14 2012 08:04 Forikorder wrote:
On March 14 2012 06:59 zodde wrote:
He could just wait until the transition to HotS with switching race. There should be plenty of time to learn a new race at least decently while the other pros are still learning all the new tactics.

Or he could switch now and aim to be on par with the others for the release of HotS.

Both works I guess.

no learning teh strategys doesnt take a long time you jsut have to check some replays and copy them until you get a feel for it

the real thing he would be behind on is stuff like scanning, knowing when to mule, stutterstep, siege tank positioning, dropping e.t.c all the stuff tha tpros spend all there time trying to master

basically he doesnt want to switch because it would take too long to master the mechanics more then the strategy


The game will be totally different when HotS is out, you can't just copy builds and strategies when no one has figured out the best way to play the new game yet.

People (other pros) having to figure out all the new things gives IdrA some time to learn the mechanics of a new race.

right there will be new startegys to learn but theres no difference between learning mechanics now and learning the mechanics later it would still take the same amount of master the mechanics if he started right now then if he started when HoTS comes out and learning the strats would take longer when HoTS comes out since there will be so MANY strategys popping out and so many iterations of them


Missing my point there. I'm thinking that if he switched to terran just before/just after HotS is released, he wouldn't be the only one not playing to his full potential. The other pros are trying out strats and builds, he's learning a new race. He will still be behind the others, but there will be a window where no one can really be expected to do that well because they're simply playing a new game. Why not use that oppurtunity to switch race as well?

Also, people have switched races before with atleast some success, for example Morrow.

I think he should go for it. If he really wants to play terran rather than zerg, just switch asap instead of waiting a few more years to when it definitely won't be possible.

its funny you use Morrow as an example since he doesnt paly ZvZ, he didnt really switch races he jsut started playing ZvP instead of TvP and stopped playing TvT

there is no safe spot for IdrA to switch races and noone really notice, theres so many events going on that hed have to skip tournaments for awhile in order to actually get his terran to a level that would matter tournys arent gonna stop jsut becuase HoTS is comming out theres gonna be tournys ight up will the release date and right after and probably some during

even if he switchs when HoTS comes out, hell be way far behind everyone else, becuase theyll look at the top Terrans and say "well this strat isnt the best but then noone has the best strat yet but his mechanics are solid" then therell be IdrA who itll be "well his strat isnt the best but noone has the best yet but its his mechanics that are killing him"


Yeah morrow might've been a bad example, but his switch was at least somewhat successful.

Not saying it's a safe spot to switch, I'm saying it's the best spot to switch, the least unsafe if you will.
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
March 14 2012 05:09 GMT
#37172
but...but.... he has self respect!
| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
SpaceFighting
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand690 Posts
March 14 2012 05:25 GMT
#37173
On March 14 2012 14:09 ThePlayer33 wrote:
but...but.... he has self respect!


that is something he must lose... to gain..well.. more money
kuz pro
Knuppe
Profile Joined April 2011
90 Posts
March 14 2012 06:53 GMT
#37174
Please please please switch back to T IdrA!
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
March 14 2012 07:02 GMT
#37175
the thing is when hes macroing as zerg he does like 0 harrass at all and always over drone so hes open to a lot of timing pushes
IM & EG supporter
Fortii
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany760 Posts
March 14 2012 07:07 GMT
#37176
i really like his new style of streaming. and i wouldnt like him to switch races, love zerg
IdrA!
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
March 14 2012 07:11 GMT
#37177
meh, i hope he doesnt switch races, will continue to support him but really hope he sticks to zerg
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
March 14 2012 07:23 GMT
#37178
isn't zerg doing really well in korea nowadays?
i wonder if he still considers a switch, his reasoning always was he doesn't want to play zerg because protoss is op but the latest figures show ~60/40 wlr in ZvP in favor of zerg in korea. And two of the best zerg players seem unstopable nowadays (stephano and drg), i am pretty sure idra could be up there too. I don't really know why he isn't really, his mechanics and game knowledge seems to be really good, he is also aware of the current metagame and knows many of his opponents really well(his casts at iem were amazing).
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
March 14 2012 07:27 GMT
#37179
On March 14 2012 16:23 idonthinksobro wrote:
isn't zerg doing really well in korea nowadays?
i wonder if he still considers a switch, his reasoning always was he doesn't want to play zerg because protoss is op but the latest figures show ~60/40 wlr in ZvP in favor of zerg in korea. And two of the best zerg players seem unstopable nowadays (stephano and drg), i am pretty sure idra could be up there too. I don't really know why he isn't really, his mechanics and game knowledge seems to be really good, he is also aware of the current metagame and knows many of his opponents really well(his casts at iem were amazing).


If you're referring to the February TLPD win/loss statistics you actually have it backwards, it was about 60/40 in favor of toss.
Fortii
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany760 Posts
March 14 2012 07:42 GMT
#37180
yep, zerg is by far the weakest one in korea atm. foreigner scene is a bit different but senseless to point there.
IdrA!
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