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On January 20 2011 06:18 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +That being said, Idra should have taken the game easily. The barracks was isolated and surrounded. He made a mistake. I don't care what you wanna call it, but i was 100% a mistake. It had nothing to do with maps/balance/whatever. I don't see how that is a mistake. He had his lings ready right when a marine should have spawned. It was luck IMO when Jinro canceled that Marine. If it would've stayed queued, the marine would have been instantly surrounded and IdrA would have likely took that game. And don't say that you shouldn't assume what your opponent would do. I cannot imagine a reason that a player would intentionally cancel his only Marine with lings inside his base.
Yeah I get what you're saying, and "mistake" is a bit harsh, but if the lings were arranged just a tiiiiiny bit differently, the marine would be dead.
In fact, you must admit that Jinro was very lucky to save that marine.
So, you could say Idra was unlucky, but as I said, if you play that scenario, Idra will probably kill the marine 8-9 out of 10 times. And I get that because it came out later, Idra was thrown off, BUT since he had literally nothing else to focus on but those units, he should have still got it.
It was, at the very least, bad luck combined with a minor oversight. Basically, if he issued the command 0,2 seconds sooner than he did, he would've won the game.
But yeah, as people said, the fact that he's there, that he's getting these results with zerg, that he can take this and move on, says a lot about him.
Good luck in the future Greg.
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Idra tapped on Metalopolis because he didn't want to waste his energy playing a full game from behind. IF it worked, and he went on to win the series due to still being "fresh," being the better player, he would be praised a genius.
It didn't work. It didn't help him in any case, and it just left him further behind in the series count. He must expect to face a bit of internet "backlash" for his decision. Just like he would have expected praise had he won after tapping on metalopolis.
It would have been tough, but it could have been done. People still buy lotto tickets. Some times you do get lucky.
As for map selections, comparing Nesteas map run to Idras.... Does that mean that Nestea didnt deserve to win? Is a lesser player? etc etc etc... It is the luck of the draw, and adds that element to the game. I don't like the current map selections for that reason, but everyone is playing on the same terms, with the same maps. Its almost like the English cricket team complaining about the Australian pitch. You're both playing on the same pitch - learn to work with it!
EDIT: Not to bash Idra though. I have the power of hindsight, and he did not, so noone can expect him to do anything other than what he did, at the end of the day. The choices he made at the time were right. At the time.
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it's a shame they had to play each other
If they were on opposite brackets this could easily have become a jinro vs idra final
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On January 20 2011 09:51 BrahCJ wrote:
As for map selections, comparing Nesteas map run to Idras.... Does that mean that Nestea didnt deserve to win? Is a lesser player? etc etc etc...
No... because NesTea didn't get maps that give Zerg an unfair advantage, whereas Jinro got maps that clearly favor Terran.
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my favorite zerg eliminated... i hope you tear it up next season bro <3 we all love you and your gracket
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kinda disappointed idra left game 2...didn't even get to see him really play in the series..o well, he is probably regretting leaving that game
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Meh... It's always disappointing when you have the best teams/players at the moment against each other and there is so much hype that is actually justified - and then the actual match does not deliver.
Anyway, Idra showed is doing great. Sure, everyone wants to win all the time but he is doing great nevertheless. Hopefully, we'll see a different game when new maps and his team-mates start arriving.
On January 19 2011 19:19 schimmetje wrote:
Oh well, that kind of didn't live up to the hype. And srsly, cancel your subscription on Close Positions man ><
+1. Has he ever had anything else but close positions on Metalopolis since... erm... The King of the Beta finals?
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Plenty of times, just not in any game that matters =/
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On January 19 2011 21:39 ludic123 wrote:
Some people in this thread really need to calm down. Sure, I get why you're saying terran seems easier and all that, but the manner in which you do it is getting extremely annoying. Try to get your points across in a more constructive way, instead of lashing out at Jinro and terrans in general. And yes, I'm a terran. Bite me.
Fuck off.
If you meant what you said, you wouldn't post confrontational comments like that. Their points were perfect. This person explains it exactly:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 19 2011 21:08 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
For people talking about Metalopolis... Jinro wasn't all-in, and that is why it was so powerful. If he had been all-in, then IdrA stopping it means he has a legitimate shot to win the game. Instead, Jinro had almost nothing committed to that and could go down any tech path in the game he wanted at that point while IdrA was stuck on 1 base and nowhere to go. Also, the patrolling drone is more about stopping a probe from walling, an scv that has a marine right behind it is going to kill any patrolling drone in a second anyway.
Jinro invested nothing to get miles ahead. As zerg you can't see some huge vulnerability your opponent has with your scouting drone and make two free structures to get a free win. Idra isn't retarded, maybe its not what I described, but Idra definitely had a good reason to make the decisions he made in that series.
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lol idra looked maddd fly in his gracket
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On January 20 2011 12:04 sh[A]d[O]w wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 21:39 ludic123 wrote:
Some people in this thread really need to calm down. Sure, I get why you're saying terran seems easier and all that, but the manner in which you do it is getting extremely annoying. Try to get your points across in a more constructive way, instead of lashing out at Jinro and terrans in general. And yes, I'm a terran. Bite me. Fuck off. If you meant what you said, you wouldn't post confrontational comments like that. Their points were perfect. This person explains it exactly: + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2011 21:08 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
For people talking about Metalopolis... Jinro wasn't all-in, and that is why it was so powerful. If he had been all-in, then IdrA stopping it means he has a legitimate shot to win the game. Instead, Jinro had almost nothing committed to that and could go down any tech path in the game he wanted at that point while IdrA was stuck on 1 base and nowhere to go. Also, the patrolling drone is more about stopping a probe from walling, an scv that has a marine right behind it is going to kill any patrolling drone in a second anyway.
Jinro invested nothing to get miles ahead. As zerg you can't see some huge vulnerability your opponent has with your scouting drone and make two free structures to get a free win. Idra isn't retarded, maybe its not what I described, but Idra definitely had a good reason to make the decisions he made in that series.
Some civility goes a long way. I would edit your post before a mod sees it.
Anyway, Jinro even said in his interview with Team Liquid that the reason he went for the bunkers was because Idra didn't have any drones patrolling at the bottom of the ramp.
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IdrA if you ever happen to read this, your leather gracket looked way better than jinros thing which you cant even call a jacket. You won the stylewars, my gf approves and we all know women know this stuff 
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Please dont derail this thread into another terran is op thread.
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You go get 'em next season idrA, you can do it!! (consider switching to protoss  )
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On January 20 2011 11:17 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 19:19 schimmetje wrote:
Oh well, that kind of didn't live up to the hype. And srsly, cancel your subscription on Close Positions man >< +1. Has he ever had anything else but close positions on Metalopolis since... erm... The King of the Beta finals?
Which was, by the way, the best series in SC2 to date. I was at the launch party, and instantly became an IdrA fan for life after those games... Such a perfect series to watch, with an epic climactic final battle in the 5th game of the BO5. I still had to drink two gigantic energy drinks to avoid falling asleep despite the loud speakers and hundreds of people (woo 4am). I also sat next to QXC while we watched his quarter-finals games... Ah, memories.
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On January 20 2011 06:58 Oleksandr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:51 Whole wrote:On January 20 2011 06:33 Oleksandr wrote:On January 20 2011 06:18 Whole wrote:
It did throw IdrA off. If you looked at the game carefully, we was running lings around the marines spawn point exactly when it should have spawned. No, you are still wrong. SCVs came just before the marine was out, so Idra had to engage the SCVs, which let the marine escape. There was nothing that idra could do about that. The marine was canceled which made the marine come later. If it wouldn't have been canceled, IdrA would have utilized his 100% surround on the Rax and killed it instantly. Since the marine was canceled, the first one came at a later time allowing Jinro to bring SCVs when IdrA was probably confused as fuck. 1) That assumes Jinro wouldn't bring his scvs early to protect the marine exactly in the same manner as he did. 2) That assumes Idra would get confused by a long time of building a marine. 3) Also Idra didn't see when exactly the barracks was finished, and when the marine was started, so while cancellation did delay the time, in the end it doesn't change anything.
1) The bunker wouldn't have been completed, so the Zerglings would have still been able to kill the marine. Unless IdrA would've fucked up on micro. If you take the same exact microing and positioning, but take out the delayed Marine, it would have died because of an incomplete bunker.
2) I think anyone gets confused if a marine is taking 150% of its normal time to spawn. And IdrA was dancing lings waiting for the Marine which is lost DPS for nothing.
3) He saw a Marine in production and a second barracks in production. I'm sure he knows timings well enough to know a general time when a marine would spawn on a 2 Rax build. Except it didn't spawn. That would be a WTF for any pro player who hammers down timing. It does change a lot because the bunker wouldn't have been done.
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On January 20 2011 06:58 Oleksandr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:51 Whole wrote:On January 20 2011 06:33 Oleksandr wrote:On January 20 2011 06:18 Whole wrote:
It did throw IdrA off. If you looked at the game carefully, we was running lings around the marines spawn point exactly when it should have spawned. No, you are still wrong. SCVs came just before the marine was out, so Idra had to engage the SCVs, which let the marine escape. There was nothing that idra could do about that. The marine was canceled which made the marine come later. If it wouldn't have been canceled, IdrA would have utilized his 100% surround on the Rax and killed it instantly. Since the marine was canceled, the first one came at a later time allowing Jinro to bring SCVs when IdrA was probably confused as fuck. 1) That assumes Jinro wouldn't bring his scvs early to protect the marine exactly in the same manner as he did. 2) That assumes Idra would get confused by a long time of building a marine. 3) Also Idra didn't see when exactly the barracks was finished, and when the marine was started, so while cancellation did delay the time, in the end it doesn't change anything.
The cancellation allowed the bunker to finish when the marine arrived to it, so that is what saved it, if the marine had to run a bit more a zerling would have hit him again and killed it. Pretty lucky mistake.
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On January 20 2011 05:34 CubEdIn wrote:
I still dislike Idra fanboysm.
Did you see the title of this thread? Nobody's forcing you to come in here you know.
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This thread is for IdrA fans. Please cease the excessive balance posts, the player bashing, and the race hate.
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IdrA thought he would win on Shakuras, and then either his 6pool would work on Jungle Basin or he would (somehow) be able to win on Lost Temple.
That is why leaving on Metalopolis seemed logical rather than to play out a long shitty game from a losing position while behind.
Unfortunately, he lost Shakuras 
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