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On January 20 2011 05:19 broods wrote: In anyone else wondering when (or even if) zergs should use their first overlords to lay down creep and prevent cookie cutter bunker rushes?
I hope this isn't a troll ~.~ You need lair to lay creep >.>
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On January 20 2011 06:52 Glaven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 05:19 broods wrote: In anyone else wondering when (or even if) zergs should use their first overlords to lay down creep and prevent cookie cutter bunker rushes? I hope this isn't a troll ~.~ You need lair to lay creep >.>
I doubt he is trolling, just didnt know
But yea Overlords can only lay creep on the floor when Zerg has the Lair, which is impossible to get that early in the game.
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On January 20 2011 06:51 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:33 Oleksandr wrote:On January 20 2011 06:18 Whole wrote: It did throw IdrA off. If you looked at the game carefully, we was running lings around the marines spawn point exactly when it should have spawned. No, you are still wrong. SCVs came just before the marine was out, so Idra had to engage the SCVs, which let the marine escape. There was nothing that idra could do about that. The marine was canceled which made the marine come later. If it wouldn't have been canceled, IdrA would have utilized his 100% surround on the Rax and killed it instantly. Since the marine was canceled, the first one came at a later time allowing Jinro to bring SCVs when IdrA was probably confused as fuck.
1) That assumes Jinro wouldn't bring his scvs early to protect the marine exactly in the same manner as he did. 2) That assumes Idra would get confused by a long time of building a marine. 3) Also Idra didn't see when exactly the barracks was finished, and when the marine was started, so while cancellation did delay the time, in the end it doesn't change anything.
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The time when a barracks finishes and a marine comes out is pretty consistant. He can probably watch 5 replays and have that time within +/- 5 seconds.
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Oh and BTW... f Jinro for that MULE in game 3.
Lets not forget that one.
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On January 20 2011 07:39 dsousa wrote: Oh and BTW... f Jinro for that MULE in game 3.
Lets not forget that one.
Yeah! Jinro claims it was a misclick but we all know that all Terrans want to do it. I claim a Freudian misclick.
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On January 20 2011 05:42 Oleksandr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 05:38 CubEdIn wrote: You guys make the same points you used to make back when NesTea won the GSL. Everyone was crying Terran imba but someone managed to plow through Terrans and get the title.
Go away, troll. Do not insult everyone on this thread. You guys are fanatics haha
...or maybe zealots?
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Ok I understand IdrA usually leaves like that, ie ragequits, but why didnt he just make a roach warren or something, he could have won
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On January 20 2011 07:50 Deekin[ wrote: Ok I understand IdrA usually leaves like that, ie ragequits, but why didnt he just make a roach warren or something, he could have won He 'could' have, but it was extremely unlikely. He was way behind and the only way he could come back is if Jinro would have totally messed up.
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On January 20 2011 08:01 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 07:50 Deekin[ wrote: Ok I understand IdrA usually leaves like that, ie ragequits, but why didnt he just make a roach warren or something, he could have won He 'could' have, but it was extremely unlikely. He was way behind and the only way he could come back is if Jinro would have totally messed up.
Thats not true. To me IdrA just gave up.. weak willed
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On January 20 2011 05:38 CubEdIn wrote: You guys make the same points you used to make back when NesTea won the GSL. Everyone was crying Terran imba but someone managed to plow through Terrans and get the title.
I guess some people never learn.
You should support the player, and hope for him to improve even when the odds are against him. Not hope that patches will come and make it easier for him. Where's the support for Idra? Really. If Nestea played against MVP with Idra's maps (close positions), I guarantee you he'd be 100% wiped out in 3-4 games.
It's not unreasonable to hope that Idra gets better maps for the next GSL. It isn't realistic for Idra to take down top Terran players on close Metalopolis or Jungle Basin (which he could have won, admittedly, but with Idra's luck the last map would've been close LT anyway)
Not speaking as a Zerg, btw, I play Terran (macro style). Maps like Delta Quadrant, close Metalopolis or Jungle Basin are not only boring to play on, but are painful to watch. When the maps are bigger, even if zerg favored (air Metal, Scrap, possibly Xel'Naga) the games are more enjoyable to spectators anyway.
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When that stuff happens you're going to be behind no matter what your opponent does.
Playing from behind in a ZvT on close position metalopolis is quite rough. I leave games on the ladder when I'm in this situation as well. It's just so frustrating and mentally draining to play through. I feel its detrimental to my mental health.
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On January 20 2011 08:02 Deekin[ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:01 Lefnui wrote:On January 20 2011 07:50 Deekin[ wrote: Ok I understand IdrA usually leaves like that, ie ragequits, but why didnt he just make a roach warren or something, he could have won He 'could' have, but it was extremely unlikely. He was way behind and the only way he could come back is if Jinro would have totally messed up. Thats not true. To me IdrA just gave up.. weak willed Then you don't understand basic ZvT strategy. After the bunkers are established the Terran player is miles ahead.
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when blizzard fix his game you ll see idra be the 1st bonjwa of sc2 he will reign long before jaedong take him over in 3 years in an epic bo7 where it s 3:3 idra on the lead in game 7 and suddenly power outage then jaedong 6 pool idra for the title
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On January 20 2011 08:01 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 07:50 Deekin[ wrote: Ok I understand IdrA usually leaves like that, ie ragequits, but why didnt he just make a roach warren or something, he could have won He 'could' have, but it was extremely unlikely. He was way behind and the only way he could come back is if Jinro would have totally messed up.
In addition i remember artosis said once that players often just gg quickly so they dont have to deal with a long and stressful game and they can be fully aware and still be rested for the more important matches that are coming up.
How true this is I can only say by the merit artosis holds by being a progamer him self
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On January 20 2011 08:27 Plaxy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:01 Lefnui wrote:On January 20 2011 07:50 Deekin[ wrote: Ok I understand IdrA usually leaves like that, ie ragequits, but why didnt he just make a roach warren or something, he could have won He 'could' have, but it was extremely unlikely. He was way behind and the only way he could come back is if Jinro would have totally messed up. In addition i remember artosis said once that players often just gg quickly so they dont have to deal with a long and stressful game and they can be fully aware and still be rested for the more important matches that are coming up. How true this is I can only say by the merit artosis holds by being a progamer him self
YAAAY single persons merit on the internet!
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Anymore complaining about balance stupidly in here will result in bans. You can talk about the game or what happened in certain circumstances, but QQing broadly is not welcome at TL. You've been warned.
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Let's keep the player bashing out of the fanclub threads please.
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Does anyone have that picture of 271% Idra rage? Would love to see it again. Was shown in game 2 of Idra and Jinro.
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