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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 20 2013 23:28 GMT
#95121
t-ara's continued futile flirtations with the American market, (and in extension, boa/se7en/snsd/wg), is really a reflection of Korea's societal obsession with American (Western) pop culture whilst simultaneously displaying their blanket xenophobia/subtle racism in some sort of weird fit of cultural schizophrenia.

as in, we love western shit but can't assimilate completely because we have some sort of racial superiority complex so we keep trying to do kpop in America.

they seriously need to either completely adopt Western images and musicality or stop making halfass attempts to transplant kpop into a Western market.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
May 21 2013 00:24 GMT
#95122
On May 20 2013 18:33 Kaiwa wrote:
I'm not someone that defends The Boys. But I am pretty sure that there is no way in hell that T-ara N4's song in English will be better. Does anyone in T-ara even speak any English?

eunjung knows how to ask for names and she knows the alphabet.

but yeah everything getting ruined
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 00:51:07
May 21 2013 00:47 GMT
#95123
I'm scared for Jiyeon.. why CCM !? T____T

edit: Jiyeon said "we" so yeah scared for all of them ;_;
AKMU / IU
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 21 2013 00:52 GMT
#95124
I wonder what it feels like to be a Queen after hearing this announcement.
liftlift > tsm
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 01:52:20
May 21 2013 01:51 GMT
#95125
Get hyped fools. EXO's album is going to include 'My Lady' and 'Baby Don't Cry'

My Lady


Baby Don't Cry
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Doulmaigus
Profile Joined October 2012
France352 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 02:14:51
May 21 2013 02:08 GMT
#95126
On May 21 2013 07:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 07:08 SamsungStar wrote:
Could you please unpack this statement further? "There always has been a slight black sub-culture that have been entwined with asian culture."

Bruce Lee worship; some anime; mysticism regards to martial arts. Such as origin of Wu-tang clan name; etc etc.

Personally, I know that there's a lot of black fangirls in France. I couldn't tell the ratio but what I can tell is that it's way higher than the whole population's ratio. Kpop flash mob in Paris + Show Spoiler +

The dude in front counts for 10.
See?
Another clue, if you hang out in the Kpop reaction videos side of Youtube, there's a good amount of black people there.
More generaly, where I live, I'd say it's pretty comon to say that black people are into asian people. Almost as comon as to say asian people are into other asians only ^^.

The T-ara N4 thing is still way too strange though. I just hope that they are not throwing away their image, and that audience will be forgiving.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 02:36:38
May 21 2013 02:20 GMT
#95127
On May 21 2013 11:08 Doulmaigus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 07:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 21 2013 07:08 SamsungStar wrote:
Could you please unpack this statement further? "There always has been a slight black sub-culture that have been entwined with asian culture."

Bruce Lee worship; some anime; mysticism regards to martial arts. Such as origin of Wu-tang clan name; etc etc.

Personally, I know that there's a lot of black fangirls in France. I couldn't tell the ratio but what I can tell is that it's way higher than the whole population's ratio. Kpop flash mob in Paris + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMlyTFHg-P4
The dude in front counts for 10.
See?
Another clue, if you hang out in the Kpop reaction videos side of Youtube, there's a good amount of black people there.
More generaly, where I live, I'd say it's pretty comon to say that black people are into asian people. Almost as comon as to say asian people are into other asians only ^^.

The T-ara N4 thing is still way too strange though. I just hope that they are not throwing away their image, and that audience will be forgiving.

That I don't doubt; N4 too wonky; but definitely got the hotness level to draw in some crowds. But like I said it's a small subculture undertone in the black community; I'd say it's akin to Islam in the black community in size, but somewhat noticeable.

Also not the first time black people been getting involved with Kpop. Snoop dog with SNSD; Will.i.am with 2ne1, and a few others.

Also; forgot to add the Greatest combo of all time. Rush Hour; Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker.
Also basketball too. Yao and McGrady, and now Lin and Harden.
liftlift > tsm
SojoX
Profile Joined September 2012
United States111 Posts
May 21 2013 02:34 GMT
#95128
On May 21 2013 07:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 07:08 SamsungStar wrote:
Could you please unpack this statement further? "There always has been a slight black sub-culture that have been entwined with asian culture."

Bruce Lee worship; some anime; mysticism regards to martial arts. Such as origin of Wu-tang clan name; etc etc.


Think it's pretty obvious that there's been a big push among media circles to push Asians and Blacks together. Most Asian / Other relationships I've seen on TV of late have been Asian/Black. I don't think that's a coincidence. Neither is having Snoop Dog with Girl's Generation or this. I don't know what the point of it is but that's what they're pushing right now.
Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
May 21 2013 03:02 GMT
#95129
omg My Lady is going to be included YES!!! I've never been so excited before.
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
SojoX
Profile Joined September 2012
United States111 Posts
May 21 2013 03:04 GMT
#95130
Doesn't Hyori's new single drop today/tomorrow?
Zhuu
Profile Joined September 2011
United States356 Posts
May 21 2013 03:09 GMT
#95131
I don't know what you guys are fussing about, but all that really matters is right here.



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♥ Lee Soon-kyu ♥ @xZhuu
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 21 2013 03:40 GMT
#95132
On May 21 2013 11:34 SojoX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 07:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 21 2013 07:08 SamsungStar wrote:
Could you please unpack this statement further? "There always has been a slight black sub-culture that have been entwined with asian culture."

Bruce Lee worship; some anime; mysticism regards to martial arts. Such as origin of Wu-tang clan name; etc etc.


Think it's pretty obvious that there's been a big push among media circles to push Asians and Blacks together. Most Asian / Other relationships I've seen on TV of late have been Asian/Black. I don't think that's a coincidence. Neither is having Snoop Dog with Girl's Generation or this. I don't know what the point of it is but that's what they're pushing right now.

Not that I disagree with you but the reason Snoop was on SNSD's album was because he got paid money by SM, Snoop will do a feature for anyone at the right price these days.
Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 03:52:20
May 21 2013 03:46 GMT
#95133
I think snoop said in his AMA on reddit, if I recall correctly, that K-pop was his guilty pleasure, if that means anything anyway.
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
May 21 2013 03:53 GMT
#95134
On May 21 2013 08:28 andyrau wrote:
t-ara's continued futile flirtations with the American market, (and in extension, boa/se7en/snsd/wg), is really a reflection of Korea's societal obsession with American (Western) pop culture whilst simultaneously displaying their blanket xenophobia/subtle racism in some sort of weird fit of cultural schizophrenia.

as in, we love western shit but can't assimilate completely because we have some sort of racial superiority complex so we keep trying to do kpop in America.

they seriously need to either completely adopt Western images and musicality or stop making halfass attempts to transplant kpop into a Western market.

lol no. They go there with the hopes of making money. Same reason most opt to go to japan.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
May 21 2013 03:56 GMT
#95135
On May 21 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 11:34 SojoX wrote:
On May 21 2013 07:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 21 2013 07:08 SamsungStar wrote:
Could you please unpack this statement further? "There always has been a slight black sub-culture that have been entwined with asian culture."

Bruce Lee worship; some anime; mysticism regards to martial arts. Such as origin of Wu-tang clan name; etc etc.


Think it's pretty obvious that there's been a big push among media circles to push Asians and Blacks together. Most Asian / Other relationships I've seen on TV of late have been Asian/Black. I don't think that's a coincidence. Neither is having Snoop Dog with Girl's Generation or this. I don't know what the point of it is but that's what they're pushing right now.

Not that I disagree with you but the reason Snoop was on SNSD's album was because he got paid money by SM, Snoop will do a feature for anyone at the right price these days.



I haven't listened to many other collaborations done between Korean and American artists(other than the Snoop/SNSD thing which I'd like to forget ever happened). Were there any collaborations that turned out good?

I just don't want to see T-ara N4 go so far out of their way to get some attention that they completely embarrass themselves in the process(I don't really know why, maybe I care too much lol). I feel like it might be inevitable based on how their label has been handling it.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 21 2013 04:07 GMT
#95136
On May 21 2013 12:56 SHOOG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 21 2013 11:34 SojoX wrote:
On May 21 2013 07:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 21 2013 07:08 SamsungStar wrote:
Could you please unpack this statement further? "There always has been a slight black sub-culture that have been entwined with asian culture."

Bruce Lee worship; some anime; mysticism regards to martial arts. Such as origin of Wu-tang clan name; etc etc.


Think it's pretty obvious that there's been a big push among media circles to push Asians and Blacks together. Most Asian / Other relationships I've seen on TV of late have been Asian/Black. I don't think that's a coincidence. Neither is having Snoop Dog with Girl's Generation or this. I don't know what the point of it is but that's what they're pushing right now.

Not that I disagree with you but the reason Snoop was on SNSD's album was because he got paid money by SM, Snoop will do a feature for anyone at the right price these days.



I haven't listened to many other collaborations done between Korean and American artists(other than the Snoop/SNSD thing which I'd like to forget ever happened). Were there any collaborations that turned out good?

I just don't want to see T-ara N4 go so far out of their way to get some attention that they completely embarrass themselves in the process(I don't really know why, maybe I care too much lol). I feel like it might be inevitable based on how their label has been handling it.

Don't worry, if there's something to be fucked up, you can expect KKS to do it.
liftlift > tsm
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 21 2013 04:08 GMT
#95137
No but I don't know if they have to do with collaborations or the number of kpop songs I actually find good nowadays+small sample size. Snoop and Will.I.Am were both trainwrecks but that's only 2 songs, and I don't like either artist anyway (at least the music they're making now). Find the right features and it wouldn't necessarily have to be terrrible.

Although I think that they're going about it the wrong way, rather than getting famous rappers why not get famous hip hop producers? Kpop is very western influenced anyway and I'm sure a lot of today's talented hip-hop producers could come up with dope instrumentals for a kpop hip-hop themed concept.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 21 2013 04:09 GMT
#95138
On May 21 2013 13:08 DystopiaX wrote:
No but I don't know if they have to do with collaborations or the number of kpop songs I actually find good nowadays+small sample size. Snoop and Will.I.Am were both trainwrecks but that's only 2 songs, and I don't like either artist anyway (at least the music they're making now). Find the right features and it wouldn't necessarily have to be terrrible.

Although I think that they're going about it the wrong way, rather than getting famous rappers why not get famous hip hop producers? Kpop is very western influenced anyway and I'm sure a lot of today's talented hip-hop producers could come up with dope instrumentals for a kpop hip-hop themed concept.

INB4 shitty EDM kpop.
liftlift > tsm
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17287 Posts
May 21 2013 04:15 GMT
#95139
wubwubwubwub
twitch.tv/cratonz
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 21 2013 04:30 GMT
#95140
^^the EDM influence has already happened.
See: dubstep drop dance breaks

While I don't think the track will be good I will say that at least T-ara got off their asses and are actually going to release something in english unlike half the groups that announce that they're doing something (WG, 2ne1)
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