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On May 21 2013 12:53 Cubu wrote: lol no. They go there with the hopes of making money. Same reason most opt to go to japan. rofl you must've got into kpop after 09 or something If you paid attention/were here during BoA's initial forays during 07-08 into the American market she was hailed as the second coming of pop music. Of course, as with all things, the omnipresent monetary motivation was definitely there. However, even after she made a negligible pebble-sized splash on the ocean that is Western music markets, there were other Korean artists that still wanted to attempt the transition. SME lost plenty of money on her venture and then the following year, JYPE sent Se7en to do a collab with Lil Kim with even less to show for their efforts. I think Se7en also had some collab with Fabolous (?). Anyhow, both of them flopped fabulously and I'd argue it destroyed/set back both of their careers. It's funny actually because both of them had the biggest fan backings in terms of Westerners liking k-pop, and both were at the peak of their popularity. BoA's been able to somewhat of a comeback but Se7en hasn't enjoyed the same levels of popularity ever since his 2-ish year stint in murica. On May 21 2013 13:37 DystopiaX wrote: I was thinking about it but I feel like the producers you get are mostly either going to be terrible (see B.O.B/most top 40 rap songs) or too expensive (Timbaland, Kanye). You need to hit the sweet spot of those that are good but not that well known (to most people that is) like Clams Casino or Hit-Boy, but then again those might be the ones who care about "cred" enough to not want to work for a kpop act. Both clams and hitboy make strictly alt-hiphop beats, and timbaland is just gonna beatbox over the track and call it a hit. Maybe in 2005, but I think we've moved a bit beyond beatboxing. As for the latter, a couple years ago Tukutz from EH said Yeezy was his dream artist to collab with; considering that they both used to be the most popular alt-hiphop artists in their respective hemisphere, yet never got together to a track, it's a pretty clear indication of how much of a chance T-ara have. Besides, KKS's pockets aren't enough to buy out Kanye. YALL CANT FUK WIT YE I think select Korean producers are capable of making songs that are both palatable and suitable for Westerners, but if you listen to previous boa or se7en American releases the cultural gap is palpable even before we factor in the accents/engrish. | ||
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America is where Korean music dreams go to die ;o; | ||
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LlOoKkIi
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Edit: My god that is awful. | ||
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klogg
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This sucks. | ||
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Aerisky
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Nyorx
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Demizzle
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Only good Korean-American collab and it's not even English | ||
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On May 21 2013 14:33 andyrau wrote: rofl you must've got into kpop after 09 or something If you paid attention/were here during BoA's initial forays during 07-08 into the American market she was hailed as the second coming of pop music. Of course, as with all things, the omnipresent monetary motivation was definitely there. However, even after she made a negligible pebble-sized splash on the ocean that is Western music markets, there were other Korean artists that still wanted to attempt the transition. SME lost plenty of money on her venture and then the following year, JYPE sent Se7en to do a collab with Lil Kim with even less to show for their efforts. I think Se7en also had some collab with Fabolous (?). Anyhow, both of them flopped fabulously and I'd argue it destroyed/set back both of their careers. It's funny actually because both of them had the biggest fan backings in terms of Westerners liking k-pop, and both were at the peak of their popularity. BoA's been able to somewhat of a comeback but Se7en hasn't enjoyed the same levels of popularity ever since his 2-ish year stint in murica. Both clams and hitboy make strictly alt-hiphop beats, and timbaland is just gonna beatbox over the track and call it a hit. Maybe in 2005, but I think we've moved a bit beyond beatboxing. As for the latter, a couple years ago Tukutz from EH said Yeezy was his dream artist to collab with; considering that they both used to be the most popular alt-hiphop artists in their respective hemisphere, yet never got together to a track, it's a pretty clear indication of how much of a chance T-ara have. Besides, KKS's pockets aren't enough to buy out Kanye. YALL CANT FUK WIT YE I think select Korean producers are capable of making songs that are both palatable and suitable for Westerners, but if you listen to previous boa or se7en American releases the cultural gap is palpable even before we factor in the accents/engrish. My opinion is not really based on kpop. I always saw koreans in general as really really pragmatic people. They make the wall street bankers look like a bunch of charity fundraisers and their conservatism makes the pope look like a drunken college professor who snuck into one of his student's party lol. But in all seriousness, to the koreans, the american market is as good as the money there is, and there is alot of it. That's why kpop artists try to break in there. Yeah, the odds are against them but the reward outweighs the risk. And didn't kanye do a collab with jyj? I don't think he is that expensive. | ||
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On May 21 2013 15:32 Lonyo wrote: You guys forgetting Akon and WG? Heh. I kinda like Like Money.  | ||
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nepeta
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Trying to emulate diva-pop cannot possibly work; there are about a thousand American groups doing exactly the same. Conquer with kpop's unique selling points: comparatively extremely high production values, good choreo, young girls and catchy songs. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
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On May 21 2013 15:28 Demizzle wrote: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXhYpmkt5m0 Only good Korean-American collab and it's not even English Wow, I really like this song. Very interesting triple language collaboration thing going on. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
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They became popular in the US and other countries because they are unique and different from what those countries' own artists provided. They were novel and interesting. By going to the US and trying to become American artists, they took away what made them stand out and got lost amidst all the other actual American artists. I still hope that 2NE1 approaches the US market that way, by continuing to stay in Korea and release Korean songs while releasing the occasional English version of their songs, or even entirely English songs now and again. That way, they wouldn't have to give up who they are in Korea and make themselves known as a very successful foreign act. CL, Bom and Dara all grew up speaking English and speak it well enough, and Minzy sounds pretty good in small doses. They could use their support from Will.I.am, Jeremy Scott, and other American artists to spread the word and provide opportunities for featurings or performances, while still staying primarily based in Korea. SNSD could do the same thing, although I don't think their style of music and performance is as well suited to the US market. You don't see that kind of choreography-based girl group music and performance in the Western music scene, and it's not clear whether it has mainstream appeal. On the other hand, 2NE1's music is very techno/edgy/etc. and their style falls in line with what artists like Lady Gaga and Nicki Minaj have paved the way for. | ||
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