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United States1503 Posts

May 21 2013 19:45 GMT

#95181

On May 22 2013 04:06 AsnSensation wrote:
hmm allkpop not working only for me?

it's been down for 3-4 days for me now, I checked their twitter/fb and apparently they are still releasing articles but it says it's down for both firefox and chrome for me

It says its down for maintenance for a few hours. It was working for me earlier this morning.

Hall0wed

United States8486 Posts

May 21 2013 19:48 GMT

#95182

On May 21 2013 15:53 Cubu wrote:

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On May 21 2013 14:33 andyrau wrote:

On May 21 2013 12:53 Cubu wrote:

On May 21 2013 08:28 andyrau wrote:
t-ara's continued futile flirtations with the American market, (and in extension, boa/se7en/snsd/wg), is really a reflection of Korea's societal obsession with American (Western) pop culture whilst simultaneously displaying their blanket xenophobia/subtle racism in some sort of weird fit of cultural schizophrenia.

as in, we love western shit but can't assimilate completely because we have some sort of racial superiority complex so we keep trying to do kpop in America.

they seriously need to either completely adopt Western images and musicality or stop making halfass attempts to transplant kpop into a Western market.

lol no. They go there with the hopes of making money. Same reason most opt to go to japan.

rofl you must've got into kpop after 09 or something

If you paid attention/were here during BoA's initial forays during 07-08 into the American market she was hailed as the second coming of pop music.
Of course, as with all things, the omnipresent monetary motivation was definitely there. However, even after she made a negligible pebble-sized splash on the ocean that is Western music markets, there were other Korean artists that still wanted to attempt the transition. SME lost plenty of money on her venture and then the following year, JYPE sent Se7en to do a collab with Lil Kim with even less to show for their efforts. I think Se7en also had some collab with Fabolous (?).

Anyhow, both of them flopped fabulously and I'd argue it destroyed/set back both of their careers.
It's funny actually because both of them had the biggest fan backings in terms of Westerners liking k-pop, and both were at the peak of their popularity. BoA's been able to somewhat of a comeback but Se7en hasn't enjoyed the same levels of popularity ever since his 2-ish year stint in murica.

On May 21 2013 13:37 DystopiaX wrote:
I was thinking about it but I feel like the producers you get are mostly either going to be terrible (see B.O.B/most top 40 rap songs) or too expensive (Timbaland, Kanye). You need to hit the sweet spot of those that are good but not that well known (to most people that is) like Clams Casino or Hit-Boy, but then again those might be the ones who care about "cred" enough to not want to work for a kpop act.

Both clams and hitboy make strictly alt-hiphop beats, and timbaland is just gonna beatbox over the track and call it a hit. Maybe in 2005, but I think we've moved a bit beyond beatboxing.
As for the latter, a couple years ago Tukutz from EH said Yeezy was his dream artist to collab with; considering that they both used to be the most popular alt-hiphop artists in their respective hemisphere, yet never got together to a track, it's a pretty clear indication of how much of a chance T-ara have.
Besides, KKS's pockets aren't enough to buy out Kanye. YALL CANT FUK WIT YE

I think select Korean producers are capable of making songs that are both palatable and suitable for Westerners, but if you listen to previous boa or se7en American releases the cultural gap is palpable even before we factor in the accents/engrish.

And didn't kanye do a collab with jyj? I don't think he is that expensive.

JYJ probably has more money than CCM lol.

http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/05/follow-up-seokang-hanyang-and.html

Secret keeps falling. So much for those people saying this would have no impact. Maybe their popularity won't drop too much overall but its definitely costing them some money and this could cause Secret to slow down with future promotions. I mean its not like they were going anywhere popularity wise before this happened atleast.

nanashin

United States1584 Posts

May 21 2013 20:44 GMT

#95183

Whatever firm was behind the album packaging design this season needs to develop multiple meta-blisters all over their bodies.
+ Show Spoiler [fkSlipcases] +

I'm not looking forward to having to film an episode of Hoarders.
+ Show Spoiler [Definitely need one.] +

Well, maybe not all + Show Spoiler [slipcases] +

I liked this album's slipcase, plastic so it actually protects its contents, and the album's laminated cover allows it to slid out with relative ease.
44 page photobook definitely warranted this amount content protection and album size.
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+ Show Spoiler [JTune really likes unconventional shapes] +

First rhombus, now compact mirror.
Really wish JTune would "juggle" their two talents a bit better. If MBLAQ is in Japan, maybe you should give Two X something to do rather than leave them to stagnate for the past two months.
Album is a bit lighter than the previous, but still Two X remains a fairly likeable group with nice b-side songs.
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Evidently there has been a revolution in + Show Spoiler [jewel cases.] +

Not sure I like it much. Sure the hinge is slightly more rugged.
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The booklet retainers are quite ass backwards. I don't think booklets flying out of the case were too big an issue, but these front and back retainers with the slight ridges top and bottom definitely keep it secure.
But it also makes removing the booklet a damn hassle which could lead to damage, putting them back in requires bending. Bit of a bust.
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I'm not sure I understand what CCM is + Show Spoiler [telling me] +

+ Show Spoiler [Seriously] +

If I had known that season greetings were going to be so fuck huge, I might not have discounted them so quickly.
Though this one was released by CJ instead Loen, Loen might not be of the same scale. Not sure I want to open the thing, Slightly worried all the bigness will leak out and I'll be left with a small desk calendar and a 4 by 3 inch notebook.
+ Show Spoiler [srsly fuck slipcases] +

Really feels like I'm devolving when it takes me minute just to get the content back into these damned things.
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Also, what the hell. Why don't other companies/groups do multiple photocards per album?

+ Show Spoiler [I might] +

Worsest + Show Spoiler [slipcase] +

The time it took to get from pristinely wrapped above to finally inched out of the slip case, I am ashamed to admit took the better, "better", part of 40 minutes.
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How the hell did this thing have so much fucking retention?
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Wasn't a very rewarding victory, 8 page booklet in these booklet hating jewel cases.
But at least I've got almost all of Rania's songs in one go.
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of the batch.
Didn't think + Show Spoiler [I'd buy this.] +

But Oops grew on me.
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Also, tub G.na
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Wonder if anyone actually carries these wallet photos in their wallets.
Would never be able to take them with me unless they were laminated and my wallet was modified to carry a ceramic plate.

what with Ilhoon utterly destroying Korea with his fad aegyo that takes 15+ seconds to do.

+ Show Spoiler [that album] +

+ Show Spoiler [later.] +

+ Show Spoiler [Yoohoo] +

Seriously, I fucking love mylar sleeves.
Even when it doesn't make any goddamn sense, what with the album being in a fucking polyethylene envelope.
Seriously, what's mylar going to do against something that scratches hard plastic?
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+ Show Spoiler [This Mujes release was likeable enough] +

Ballad Mujes was a bit unexpected, but Dolls and Wild packagingwise were a bit of a let down. Granted Sweet Rendevous didn't offer much difference in picture count, but cards were quite awesome.
Wild's image count was a real biter though. Went in expecting something of this variety:
https://twitter.com/leesemonni/status/328800204667097088/photo/1
https://twitter.com/leesemonni/status/327429810550894592/photo/1
Instead just 12 pages, 2 jacket photos per member, some groups, and Euaerin's clavicle teaser.
Where is the rest of the !9 action?
>inb4 photobook released only to investors and Star Empire upper management

+ Show Spoiler [Fuck yeah, Younha] +

This album and its packaging legit pleasure.
Well, besides the slipcase, but fortunately dealing with Rania's trained me well for Younha's.
Album art is lovely.
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AND SIX YOUNHA JACKET PHOTO CARDS!
Will never be enough n's required for the 'hnngh' this induces.

On May 22 2013 03:11 giesecke wrote:
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wouldnt call hyoris song bad. for some reason the whole concept (song + mv) reminds me of that 60's batman series, which automaticall makes it funny.
the mv seems to make fun of korean (double) standards in society though. good thing i'm to lazy to actually check the lyrics.

and btw how can anyone like the hello venus song, it's boring as fuck. even though their outfits are good, i still cannot watch their music show perf. (well, watch maybe, you know what i mean)

You say that as if their standard up til this point wasn't churning out dental hygienist muzak while showcasing their safety pantsu in intimate detail.

DwD

Sweden8621 Posts

May 21 2013 20:54 GMT

#95184

haha nanashin you aren't alone on that Rania album.. I had to youtube an unboxing to make sure I wasn't being retarded. Probably took me 30 min to get that shit out. At least the album contains all their kickass songs so it was worth it in the end!

klogg

Sweden800 Posts

May 21 2013 20:55 GMT

#95185

On May 22 2013 04:48 Hall0wed wrote:
http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/05/follow-up-seokang-hanyang-and.html

Secret keeps falling. So much for those people saying this would have no impact. Maybe their popularity won't drop too much overall but its definitely costing them some money and this could cause Secret to slow down with future promotions. I mean its not like they were going anywhere popularity wise before this happened atleast.

Of course there would be an impact, it's absurd to think otherwise.

But they already performed at a university yesterday, they are scheduled for two more just this week and also a third one next week. Being cancelled from a joint university event is a financial setback but not a huge deal.

People saying things like Secret are done or Hyosung will get kicked out/leave the group are just really stupid. The issue is still very fresh, it's not going to pass any time soon but they will probably just power through. They have been planning solo albums for a while, chances are they will go ahead with those plans while Hyosung chills out if things doesn't get better before next comeback.

SamsungStar

United States912 Posts

May 21 2013 22:18 GMT

#95186

On May 22 2013 05:55 klogg wrote:

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Just lol. Korean culture is so screwed up. This much of an uproar over saying "We don't democratize"? How old are their fans? 6 years old? The amount of butthurt over such a tiny thing is just ridiculous.

Moonwrath

United States9568 Posts

May 21 2013 22:24 GMT

#95187

On May 22 2013 07:18 SamsungStar wrote:

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Sounds like you are trying to put your views of your own culture onto another country's entirely different culture. Now that is ridiculous.

Hyoyeon is a cutie

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Lonyo

United Kingdom3884 Posts

May 21 2013 22:24 GMT

#95188

On May 22 2013 07:18 SamsungStar wrote:

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Read up about what it means in a Korean context, and the date on which it happened relative to an important anniversary date of something it relates to.

Doulmaigus

France352 Posts

May 21 2013 22:25 GMT

#95189

5. [+935, -83] It was the students of those colleges that achieved democracy through their protests and demonstrations. It'd be ridiculous for them to even allow SECRET into their campus.

I thought this was just the usual "netizens trying to ruin an idol's life" thing again. But there actually are people who really think Hyosung is an active anti democracy because of a word she said by mistake. Sorry, i'm late ^^.
I can't even begin to try to imagine how crazy Hyosung must be going atm. This "scandal" is definitely among the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.
edit : It's true we are not in the same context as korea, but I still think it's messed up.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

May 21 2013 22:27 GMT

#95190

On May 22 2013 07:18 SamsungStar wrote:

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The fact that you're so easily demising the clearly sensitive topic to "Korean culture is so screwed", is more appropriate to a response from a 6 year old who has no idea of a more pressing cultural issue. Rather than the actual Korean response.

SamsungStar

United States912 Posts

May 21 2013 22:51 GMT

#95191

On May 22 2013 07:27 wei2coolman wrote:

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It's a ridiculous non-issue and trying to pull the lame culture card doesn't make it any more of an issue. She obviously misused a word and didn't mean anything by it. If this is an integral part of Korean culture then Koreans need to grow up. Trying to claim it's "culture" doesn't excuse infantile behavior. There is no pressing cultural issue related to an innocent girl misspeaking and the fact you'd try to argue that there is makes me shake my head.

andyrau

13015 Posts

May 21 2013 22:59 GMT

#95192

you have the right to say Korean culture is dumb in overreacting to this incident, but bar actually growing up in Korean society, you have no perogative to actually judge right from wrong.
besides, people there have gotten socially crucified for less in the past.

DwD

Sweden8621 Posts

May 21 2013 23:32 GMT

#95193

Leaked QBS(Qri, Boram, Soyeon) song:
https://soundcloud.com/ph-ng-th-o-18/like-a-wind-t-ara-qbs

I don't really like jpop but there are a couple of good jpop songs from korean groups and I think this song is in that group. Very relaxing and nice to listen to. Soyeon sings so lovely. I hope it does well!

cHaNg-sTa

United States1058 Posts

May 21 2013 23:42 GMT

#95194

On May 22 2013 03:29 SamsungStar wrote:

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I DLed the album and it's excellent. I was pleasantly surprised. A lot of easy listening on it. I've always liked Hyori's velvety voice. She doesn't try too hard to bust out big vocals (read not at all). She knows her range and sticks to it and the songs come out quite nice.

And Bad Girl is obviously just a fun song. I don't know why you're going all preacher man about it.

I agree with this. You can she understands her vocal range and sticks with it. And honestly, that's a good thing, I enjoy this album a lot.

SamsungStar

United States912 Posts

May 21 2013 23:46 GMT

#95195

On May 22 2013 07:59 andyrau wrote:
you have the right to say Korean culture is dumb in overreacting to this incident, but bar actually growing up in Korean society, you have no perogative to actually judge right from wrong.
besides, people there have gotten socially crucified for less in the past.

I never claimed to have any kind of prerogative. Then again, I have no problem saying it is pretty damn loathsome to have a culture that condones ganging up on someone as soon as they make a mistake and socially crucify them. And no, claiming "it's Korean culture, you don't understand," doesn't make it okay.

Some cultures think eating other people and leaving unwanted babies to die of exposure is okay. Just because I didn't grow up in those cultures doesn't mean I can't make a judgment on whether or not that's bad. In what world is it a good thing to hound a girl online and in the media until she's forced to give repeated tearful apologies about a simple misusage of a word? It's a completely absurd position to try to justify.

Oh yes, Hyosung is a secret anti-democrat! She's got ambitions to overthrow the government, and she chose to further her hidden anarchist agenda by using the word "democratize" when talking about how her musical girl group gets along! It's garbage drama and shame on any Korean who tries to conflate it as some sort of cultural crisis.

Craton

United States17303 Posts

May 21 2013 23:49 GMT

#95196

On May 22 2013 07:59 andyrau wrote:
besides, people there have gotten socially crucified for less in the past.

Because that matters.

andyrau

13015 Posts

May 22 2013 00:32 GMT

#95197

On May 22 2013 08:46 SamsungStar wrote:

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straw man and an inaccurate comparison but ok, I can make one too.
slip up and say something like 'fag' on air in the west and see how it flies, because that's also a common sarcastically used term on a website in our hemisphere.

I'm saying you're using the criteria of your own society to judge/criticize another. Of course it's going to seem wrong.

On May 22 2013 08:49 Craton wrote:

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Because that matters.

exactly, because it doesn't matter
and people getting all whiteknight over some 'poor girl that said something wrong on air' are annoying and pretty ignorant.

SamsungStar

United States912 Posts

May 22 2013 00:42 GMT

#95198

On May 22 2013 09:32 andyrau wrote:

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exactly, because it doesn't matter
and people getting all whiteknight over some 'poor girl that said something wrong on air' are annoying and pretty ignorant.

Say something like fag on air in the west? Someone hasn't listened to much Howard Stern lately. Or any radio outside of NPR tbh. I'm not ignorant. You're just melodramatic.

Craton

United States17303 Posts

May 22 2013 00:44 GMT

#95199

On May 22 2013 09:32 andyrau wrote:
and people getting all whiteknight over some 'poor girl that said something wrong on air' are annoying and pretty ignorant.

You're just as bad, if not worse.

Humans are fucking horrendous at guessing motivations of other people.

andyrau

13015 Posts

May 22 2013 01:12 GMT

#95200

On May 22 2013 09:42 SamsungStar wrote:

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Say something like fag on air in the west? Someone hasn't listened to much Howard Stern lately. Or any radio outside of NPR tbh. I'm not ignorant. You're just melodramatic.

wot
that statement was supposed to be a fallacy, thanks for pointing it out

On May 22 2013 09:44 Craton wrote:

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You're just as bad, if not worse.

Humans are fucking horrendous at guessing motivations of other people.

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