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Radioman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada904 Posts
February 08 2012 18:35 GMT
#47641
Ya I'm sure some Koran kid out there has a ton of hwa posters in his room. All I have is black eyes album and a bunch of screen saver pictures.
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`Zapdos
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States935 Posts
February 08 2012 18:45 GMT
#47642
On February 09 2012 03:35 Radioman wrote:
Ya I'm sure some Koran kid out there has a ton of hwa posters in his room. All I have is black eyes album and a bunch of screen saver pictures.


I see a lot of Kpop cd's on amazon that I want, but they're all like 30-40 dollars because they're imported, is that standard pricing for korean things or is there a way to buy them cheaper?
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Jonton
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom49 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 18:52:49
February 08 2012 18:47 GMT
#47643
BEG's Miryo's solo album was released recently:
+ Show Spoiler +


Also has a song featuring SNSD's Sunny.

Edit: Sorry, repost apparently.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 18:50:03
February 08 2012 18:48 GMT
#47644
30 or 40 seems extremly excessive, exluding shipment I have seen them go for as low as 10 bucks and as high as maybe 25?
shipment will cost alot though, but its usually cheaper in the states I think.

On February 09 2012 03:47 Jonton wrote:
BEG's Miryo's solo album was released recently:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udcSkbmS6rM&feature=related


Also has a song featuring SNSD's Sunny.


meh repost
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Colpan
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States196 Posts
February 08 2012 19:03 GMT
#47645
On February 09 2012 01:09 Ixas wrote:
It depends on the sounds surrounding "ㄹ"
As a general rule,
It is "L" in word-final position and in front of another consonant sound
or "R" in word-initial position and between two vowels

Applying to 하루 (haㄹu), notice that “ㄹ” is surrounded by vowel sounds "a" "u" and hence is a "r" sound.


I dunno where people learn this from but this really isn't true. ㄹ has one primary sound that is neither 'L' or 'R' at any time. The tongue formation to properly form the ㄹ sound is somewhere in between the two. When translating a Korean word to English, either is used because they are the closest formation to what is correct.

r sound doesn't exist what? Of the VERY little korean I know, 하루 하루 and 사랑해 both have r sound. So 2 of the ~5 words I know have an r sound...


Both of those are transcribed with an R but if you hear someone say it in proper Korean, it doesn't really sound like it.



I think the whole mistake people make with the changing sound of ㄹ is that in colloquial speech, Koreans commonly get lazy and their sounds slur together. If two tongue formations are very different from each other, sometimes they'll just be left halfway between each other. This laziness also leads to a lot of "slang" sort of. One really common example I can think of with this is "뭐해" which can be commonly (and improperly) written by teenagers as "모해" because it is easier to say and type but another person will still pretty much understand.
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
February 08 2012 19:09 GMT
#47646
On February 09 2012 04:03 Colpan wrote:
Both of those are transcribed with an R but if you hear someone say it in proper Korean, it doesn't really sound like it.


I've heard native korean speakers say the words many times and it definitely sounds like an r.
nanashin
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1584 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:13:05
February 08 2012 19:11 GMT
#47647
Lay.T of OnGameNet "fame" finally made their debut on a "music show" this week.


How exactly is it that Trot continues to thrive despite it being derived from a music style of a country that has habitually been antagonistic toward Korea and vice versa for the past few centuries?
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Lay.T 레이티
Mallang Mallang 말랑말랑

Areum 아름
Daeun 다은
Woori 우리
Nara 니라
Sarang 사람

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Brains Profiling
Now you must build the lies you have told. - Looking for Boram JP single trading card, have Jiyeon.
Vharox
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States1037 Posts
February 08 2012 19:22 GMT
#47648
love ailee's new songgg
Lixler
Profile Joined March 2010
United States265 Posts
February 08 2012 19:34 GMT
#47649
On February 09 2012 04:03 Colpan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 01:09 Ixas wrote:
It depends on the sounds surrounding "ㄹ"
As a general rule,
It is "L" in word-final position and in front of another consonant sound
or "R" in word-initial position and between two vowels

Applying to 하루 (haㄹu), notice that “ㄹ” is surrounded by vowel sounds "a" "u" and hence is a "r" sound.


I dunno where people learn this from but this really isn't true. ㄹ has one primary sound that is neither 'L' or 'R' at any time. The tongue formation to properly form the ㄹ sound is somewhere in between the two. When translating a Korean word to English, either is used because they are the closest formation to what is correct.

Show nested quote +
r sound doesn't exist what? Of the VERY little korean I know, 하루 하루 and 사랑해 both have r sound. So 2 of the ~5 words I know have an r sound...


Both of those are transcribed with an R but if you hear someone say it in proper Korean, it doesn't really sound like it.



I think the whole mistake people make with the changing sound of ㄹ is that in colloquial speech, Koreans commonly get lazy and their sounds slur together. If two tongue formations are very different from each other, sometimes they'll just be left halfway between each other. This laziness also leads to a lot of "slang" sort of. One really common example I can think of with this is "뭐해" which can be commonly (and improperly) written by teenagers as "모해" because it is easier to say and type but another person will still pretty much understand.

Why do you think this is the case? There's definitely two different sounds. Just listen to any Korean say the 를 particle, you can immediately discern two sounds. The former, which is between vowels, is the alveolar flap, transcribed as r. The latter, at the end of the word, is basically the English L. You might be conflating it with Japanese for some reason, but Korean definitely has two distinct allophones here that are present in all levels of speech; it's not tied to "slurring" or being lazy, it's a natural part of the Korean allophone complementary distribution system.

What sound do you think ㄹ is "properly?" Can you give an example of the "proper" production, and an example of a production with an error?
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
February 08 2012 19:35 GMT
#47650
On February 09 2012 04:09 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:03 Colpan wrote:
Both of those are transcribed with an R but if you hear someone say it in proper Korean, it doesn't really sound like it.


I've heard native korean speakers say the words many times and it definitely sounds like an r.

it's not really a true R. it is indeed a mix of both L and R but depending on the word it'll sound more like an L or an R.
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:36:49
February 08 2012 19:36 GMT
#47651
On February 09 2012 04:09 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:03 Colpan wrote:
Both of those are transcribed with an R but if you hear someone say it in proper Korean, it doesn't really sound like it.


I've heard native korean speakers say the words many times and it definitely sounds like an r.


Have you heard Koreans say 라디오? or 몰라요?
It changes depending on what the word is.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:44:12
February 08 2012 19:40 GMT
#47652
On February 09 2012 04:36 mizU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:09 DEN1ED wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:03 Colpan wrote:
Both of those are transcribed with an R but if you hear someone say it in proper Korean, it doesn't really sound like it.


I've heard native korean speakers say the words many times and it definitely sounds like an r.


Have you heard Koreans say 라디오? or 몰라요?
It changes depending on what the word is.


Yes, I know that. But xenocide knight said the "r" sound didn't exist at all in korean.
Radioman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada904 Posts
February 08 2012 20:00 GMT
#47653
I'm now changing the discussion to the letter "Z"
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 08 2012 20:07 GMT
#47654
shouldn't this belong in the Learn Korean Thread? :o
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
February 08 2012 20:19 GMT
#47655
I wonder how many of us would've noticed the Ailee MV if she wasn't in DH2
:)
Kaiwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2209 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 20:44:29
February 08 2012 20:44 GMT
#47656
On February 09 2012 05:19 unichan wrote:
I wonder how many of us would've noticed the Ailee MV if she wasn't in DH2


I would've :> It was in my youtube feed!
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chiwawa
Profile Joined April 2011
330 Posts
February 08 2012 20:47 GMT
#47657
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Shooting stuff in the middle of the winter seems quite cold and tiresome. At least it's probably not as bad for Sica as it is for Jiyeon.
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Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
February 08 2012 20:47 GMT
#47658
Just to add something in the pronunciation topic, Koreans born in the States tend to not have perfect pronunciation. Especially those who haven't learned it properly.

Apparently I "Americanize" my Korean so it is very possible for a Korean person to say a word with an R sound.
this is my quote.
klibrt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States533 Posts
February 08 2012 20:50 GMT
#47659
Yeah... my Korean sounds "Americanized" when I speak it... which is why I feel embarrassed speaking it rofl... IT NEEDS TO BE KOREAN KOREAN!!! >: (
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 08 2012 20:50 GMT
#47660
On February 09 2012 05:47 Ozarugold wrote:
Just to add something in the pronunciation topic, Koreans born in the States tend to not have perfect pronunciation. Especially those who haven't learned it properly.

I know that whenever Nicole is on a gameshow or something, the hosts try to make fun of her pronounciation. It's all friendly of course, and she's always trying to make some deep, philosphical explanation whenever she screws up
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