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On March 28 2018 05:51 Sentenal wrote:
If AS had 50 episodes of garbage you had to get through to get to the "good" stuff, then Afterstory would be downright garbage. I've never understood the logic of people saying "well if you don't count all this stuff, then X is so great!!!" Another popular example, people who always praise Death Note almost always are only talking about its first half. Well sorry guys, the second half still exists, and if half the entire anime is garbage I'm pretty sure that makes the anime itself majority garbage, even if parts were indeed good.
Well that's your opinion.
You not understanding doesn't make it wrong for other people.
I absolutely understand it.
I can have a special emotional connection with particular parts of something. I'm not forced to watch every single part of it and judge it as a whole, if I resonated with parts of it.
Hell, you can look at relationships in real life the same way.
People get married to people they love, but actually loving every single thing about another person is something that happens extremely rarely.
Yet the parts you love about them outweigh the downsides, so you love them as a whole anyway.
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About character designs in Sorayori and Clannad-- I didn't think the art design of Clannad was bad at all, it did its job telling a meaningful story. But in Sorayori I can't watch this show at all. The characters are too ugly. They're not even ugly, they're just normal looking, but they're ugly, and they made them ugly on purpose. Why are they so ugly ugh I kind of want to watch but I can't.
Ahem and then the reason Afterstory is bad: + Show Spoiler +Why not go Kyou route?!!?!?!
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On March 28 2018 05:46 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 05:42 BigFan wrote:On March 28 2018 05:31 abuse wrote:On March 28 2018 05:28 BigFan wrote:On March 28 2018 05:19 abuse wrote:I liked toradora, but saying that it is better than Afterstory is blasphemy. White album 2 does not even come close in any way, shape, or form. + Show Spoiler + as for the magic reversal, many people, me included, don't really take that episode into account, and take the 2nd to last episode as the main ending. The magic orb reversal is basically only for people who wanted a happy ending, honestly I was happy the episode was there just to give a light at the end of the tunnel, but when I think back at AS, it ended the episode before that.
You can't encompass everything Tomoya had to go through, including his unparalelled character development as just "struggles someone had to go through"
You can do that for white album, where the main char can't deal with the fact that he likes 2 girls, but not for AS. But you know that took place, right? You can't just discard parts of a show to suit the narrative that you prefer. Like it or not, Clannad ended with + Show Spoiler +the magical reversal of everything. Sure, it's not totally bad per se because there was some foreshadowing but that knocks it down several pegs. You also forgot that you can't watch Clannad AS without watching Clannad first. In other words, you have to watch 23 episodes first to even get into AS and then another 11 (or so) to get to the interesting part. That's a total of 34 episodes "wasted", not a good time investment if someone absolutely hates the character designs, pacing, the whole separate arcs etc... As for Toradora, I was much more emotional during various stages and it was a better watch start to finish, 10/10 on my list. Character design was better, story was more interesting etc... AS only got a 9 because of its ending and second half (rest was meh). My ranking is usually 7-10, take it as you like. as I said before, I watched Afterstory before I watched Clannad, and I'd argue it's actually better to do that, so your point is wrong. You can watch Afterstory first, and I'd argue that you should, because seeing how the main characters got together after seeing what AS is, is a very nice experience. I'm not going to argue about Toradora, as I did like it. I actually rewatched it half a year ago or so. But the issues Toradora deals with are much smaller, and it's not something other shows haven't done. Nope, because you're still stuck with ~11 episodes before you get to the "good" part. Most people will drop a show within 3 episodes and I don't blame them. Also, most people will watch the predecessor first instead of the reverse. Have you ever heard of anyone watching season 2 then season 1? You're free not to argue if you like. Small issues? Sure, there might have + Show Spoiler +been no deaths in Toradora but what Taiga went through is a lot different and it's silly to discard it before in your eyes, it's not big. Aside from Minori, she had no one else to rely on and she changed a lot throughout the anime too. Either way, I don't care enough about this to keep arguing anyways. I honestly wouldn't care if afterstory had 50 episodes of shit before it got to the good stuff. I don't care how much other watch or drop it, but I do recommend everyone to watch it anyway, just because the 2nd half of the season IS that good. The last 10 episodes is enough for me to make it my #1 anime. as for Toradora, as I said before, I liked toradora, I'm not arguing it's bad or anything. I'm not discarding the messages Toradora had, but their scope does not come close to what is being dealt with in Clannad. Hence why Clannad is a gem for me, and toradora is just a really good show.
I think you might want to read my post again. For you, you're more than willing to put up with half of the anime being ok or nothing special, but that's precisely it. Different people have different likes and thresholds. Most people will drop an anime within 3 episodes if they don't feel like it's worth their time/don't like characters or plot etc... and telling someone that it gets better in the second half doesn't always mean that they'll going to waste almost 4 hours of their time to get there. Heck, I wouldn't even do it personally and I'm quite lenient when it comes to anime. I'm sure most of the regulars in this thread can attest to that lol.
On March 28 2018 05:48 abuse wrote:
Also not sure why the argument of watching the S1 first has any valid point in an argument over S2.
S1 is S1, S2 is S2.
I'm not arguing that S1 is a great experience.
S2 is.
Yes it's an intertwined story, but it's basically like saying someone can't like heroaca's 2nd season even though they disliked the 1st.
It does because like most other anime, it's highly recommended to watch season 1 to see how things get to where they are when season 2 starts. So when you were arguing it's only 11 episodes, that's not really true. It's 11+24 from the first season. Sure, you can skip it but Clannad came first and its the predecessor. It didn't come after AS as some form of ova to give more background information.
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On March 28 2018 05:58 ShurykaN wrote:About character designs in Sorayori and Clannad-- I didn't think the art design of Clannad was bad at all, it did its job telling a meaningful story. But in Sorayori I can't watch this show at all. The characters are too ugly. They're not even ugly, they're just normal looking, but they're ugly, and they made them ugly on purpose. Why are they so ugly ugh I kind of want to watch but I can't. Ahem and then the reason Afterstory is bad: + Show Spoiler +Why not go Kyou route?!!?!?!
+ Show Spoiler + Kyou was actually my favorite character in Clannad S1 back in the day. Enough that I changed my nickname to Kyou for 3-4 years afterwards :^)
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BigFan is definitely more lenient than i am when it comes to anime.
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On March 28 2018 05:59 BigFan wrote:
It does because like most other anime, it's highly recommended to watch season 1 to see how things get to where they are when season 2 starts. So when you were arguing it's only 11 episodes, that's not really true. It's 11+24 from the first season. Sure, you can skip it but Clannad came first and its the predecessor. It didn't come after AS as some form of ova to give more background information.
Generally I would agree with you, but honestly I think Clannad AS does not follow the norm in this aspect.
The 11 starting episodes of Clannad AS are just enough to not get annoyed before you get to the best parts.
After seeing the best parts, Clannad S1 becomes very enjoyable and not a chore to watch at all.
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I enjoyed Clannad S1 lol. S1 had several strong arcs with some weak ones but still worth watching. Dunno why the premise is that S1 is terrible because if it was then no one would have watched AS. And if the 1st 11 episodes of AS were poor then no one would have gotten to the "good" bit. The randomness of some later episodes is the animators throwing some bones to other routes from the VN if you wanted to see a little them in the main role.
Also Obligatory Tomoyo best girl.
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On March 28 2018 05:57 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 05:51 Sentenal wrote:
If AS had 50 episodes of garbage you had to get through to get to the "good" stuff, then Afterstory would be downright garbage. I've never understood the logic of people saying "well if you don't count all this stuff, then X is so great!!!" Another popular example, people who always praise Death Note almost always are only talking about its first half. Well sorry guys, the second half still exists, and if half the entire anime is garbage I'm pretty sure that makes the anime itself majority garbage, even if parts were indeed good. Well that's your opinion. You not understanding doesn't make it wrong for other people. I absolutely understand it. I can have a special emotional connection with particular parts of something. I'm not forced to watch every single part of it and judge it as a whole, if I resonated with parts of it. Hell, you can look at relationships in real life the same way. People get married to people they love, but actually loving every single thing about another person is something that happens extremely rarely. Yet the parts you love about them outweigh the downsides, so you love them as a whole anyway.
If you don't want to judge an anime as a whole, thats fine. Just say you aren't judging it as a whole, and are only judging bits and pieces of it.
Also if you married someone who is mostly garbage, then you probably married the wrong person.
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SentSentSent, important question:
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is that a furry (on the low end of the scale) or is it a human to you? I'm not asking about what it is storywise or anything like that, just if you look at it without knowing anything about her, what would you say.
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On March 28 2018 06:35 ShurykaN wrote:
Not furry
i know about that. We used + Show Spoiler [picture] + for that discussion but I need Sents take on it without looking at any charts!
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Toad found a similar chart but insists that adding ears and a tail make them a “furry”. I keep trying to reason with him that that isn’t the community accepted definition of what a “furry” is. Zzz
Edit: Toad baka
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you said there's "noone" that thinks the way I do. I'm trying to find at least one guy who thinks she's a furry :3
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I see I can no longer speak colloquially with you any longer. Zz
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Definitely not furry even without looking at any charts.
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On March 28 2018 06:27 Toadesstern wrote:SentSentSent, important question: is that a furry (on the low end of the scale) or is it a human to you? I'm not asking about what it is storywise or anything like that, just if you look at it without knowing anything about her, what would you say.
I know what charts say, but animal parts are animal parts, and furry is furry. On a scale from 0 to 10 of furriness, that girl is at like a 1, but she still exists on the scale.
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On March 28 2018 07:02 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 06:27 Toadesstern wrote:SentSentSent, important question: is that a furry (on the low end of the scale) or is it a human to you? I'm not asking about what it is storywise or anything like that, just if you look at it without knowing anything about her, what would you say. I know what charts say, but animal parts are animal parts, and furry is furry. On a scale from 0 to 10 of furriness, that girl is at like a 1, but she still exists on the scale.
I knew we'd agree on that one. Exactly how I put it myself~
It's about as low as you get on a furry-scale for me but I would include it on the furry scale
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When I think Furry I think of the Mink tribe from One Piece heh. Its kind of a moot argument since there is no objective standard. Tho I doubt people in the furry community would consider her one.
Tho that particular girl is just using an illusion ability of hers to disguise herself via a race change since she is basically a hobbit like race rather then any kind of animal person.
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IMO it just comes down to how much "furriness" is acceptable to people. Furry shit doesn't start getting really weird until they go a couple levels past that one.
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