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On February 12 2016 04:32 Sentenal wrote: Liking a villain for being a villain is different from empathizing and liking a character as a person. Loving to hate someone is different than just loving them lol. I like Gauron in FMP because hes an insane murderous sociopath and a good villain, but think hes a terrible person.
I'm still a little disappointed that none of the villains after Ending Day By Day could match Gauron.
On February 12 2016 05:38 Sentenal wrote: You remember what happened in that game with shit like the Sea of Eden and the Dead Sea? Going back in time to change something that would save a lot of lives sure sounds nice on the surface, but what about the people in the present? What about all the people who have been lived, born, and died since the 30 years or whatever happened? Or the people yet to come? They are all most certainly alive, but if someone goes back in time and changes something, they no longer exist anymore. She's essentially killing an exponentially greater number than what she'd be saving. She wants to perform the biggest and most widescale late-term/after-birth abortion of all time.
Also, I'm pretty sure she a personality disorder, extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior, and a lack of conscience.
The consequences of altering time, etc. That said, a part of Kurumi's appeal is her goal of spirit prevention, even though she is one herself. Much of it comes down to "ends justifies the means" and one's stance towards that ideal.
As for your latter tidbit, doesn't that describe every single yandere? afaik and fwiw, yandere seems to be the most appealing type according to most of the people I talk about jp/animu stuff with.
On February 12 2016 04:32 Sentenal wrote: Liking a villain for being a villain is different from empathizing and liking a character as a person. Loving to hate someone is different than just loving them lol. I like Gauron in FMP because hes an insane murderous sociopath and a good villain, but think hes a terrible person.
I'm still a little disappointed that none of the villains after Ending Day By Day could match Gauron.
He set a high bar for villainy. The dude that came after Gauron gets points for traumatizing me, but overall he just wasn't that great. Also only survived for 1 volume. And + Show Spoiler +
Kalinin
was able to fill the villain shoes, but he wasn't nearly as fun as Gauron.
On February 12 2016 05:38 Sentenal wrote: You remember what happened in that game with shit like the Sea of Eden and the Dead Sea? Going back in time to change something that would save a lot of lives sure sounds nice on the surface, but what about the people in the present? What about all the people who have been lived, born, and died since the 30 years or whatever happened? Or the people yet to come? They are all most certainly alive, but if someone goes back in time and changes something, they no longer exist anymore. She's essentially killing an exponentially greater number than what she'd be saving. She wants to perform the biggest and most widescale late-term/after-birth abortion of all time.
Also, I'm pretty sure she a personality disorder, extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior, and a lack of conscience.
The consequences of altering time, etc. That said, a part of Kurumi's appeal is her goal of spirit prevention, even though she is one herself. Much of it comes down to "ends justifies the means" and one's stance towards that ideal.
As for your latter tidbit, doesn't that describe every single yandere? afaik and fwiw, yandere seems to be the most appealing type according to most of the people I talk about jp/animu stuff with.
I think its fair to say that most actual yandere characters are sociopaths, for better or worse.
On February 12 2016 04:32 Sentenal wrote: Liking a villain for being a villain is different from empathizing and liking a character as a person. Loving to hate someone is different than just loving them lol. I like Gauron in FMP because hes an insane murderous sociopath and a good villain, but think hes a terrible person.
I'm still a little disappointed that none of the villains after Ending Day By Day could match Gauron.
He set a high bar for villainy. The dude that came after Gauron gets points for traumatizing me, but overall he just wasn't that great. Also only survived for 1 volume. And + Show Spoiler +
Kalinin
was able to fill the villain shoes, but he wasn't nearly as fun as Gauron.
On February 12 2016 05:38 Sentenal wrote: You remember what happened in that game with shit like the Sea of Eden and the Dead Sea? Going back in time to change something that would save a lot of lives sure sounds nice on the surface, but what about the people in the present? What about all the people who have been lived, born, and died since the 30 years or whatever happened? Or the people yet to come? They are all most certainly alive, but if someone goes back in time and changes something, they no longer exist anymore. She's essentially killing an exponentially greater number than what she'd be saving. She wants to perform the biggest and most widescale late-term/after-birth abortion of all time.
Also, I'm pretty sure she a personality disorder, extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior, and a lack of conscience.
The consequences of altering time, etc. That said, a part of Kurumi's appeal is her goal of spirit prevention, even though she is one herself. Much of it comes down to "ends justifies the means" and one's stance towards that ideal.
As for your latter tidbit, doesn't that describe every single yandere? afaik and fwiw, yandere seems to be the most appealing type according to most of the people I talk about jp/animu stuff with.
I think its fair to say that most actual yandere characters are sociopaths, for better or worse.
Yep, exactly.
Wasn't sure if you were pointing out those traits about Kurumi as matter of factly or as reasons why people shouldn't be liking her.
I dunno, its not like there is some sort of formula I use. And its not like "Hey, this character ended the life of another! Fuck them!" Theres lots of factors at play, and honestly its easier pointing out what does cross the imaginary line, than saying what the imaginary line actually is, if that makes any sense.
On February 12 2016 06:41 sharkie wrote: Boku Dake ga Inai Machi is such a emotional rollercoaster... Watched it up to episode 6 now
Sure is... it's really good, however it's fairly grim which makes it harder to watch for me. ^^ Still best anime of the season in terms of quality, but I enjoy the sillyness of KonoSuba more.
On February 12 2016 06:39 Sentenal wrote: I dunno, its not like there is some sort of formula I use. And its not like "Hey, this character ended the life of another! Fuck them!" Theres lots of factors at play, and honestly its easier pointing out what does cross the imaginary line, than saying what the imaginary line actually is, if that makes any sense.
Fair enough. Killing doesn't matter much to me, most of the time it's faceless fodder anyways. But it seems like to me that you don't like Kurumi deriving pleasure from killing, despite her doing so out of necessity for her abilities.
On February 12 2016 06:41 sharkie wrote: Boku Dake ga Inai Machi is such a emotional rollercoaster... Watched it up to episode 6 now
Sure is... it's really good, however it's fairly grim which makes it harder to watch for me. ^^ Still best anime of the season in terms of quality, but I enjoy the sillyness of KonoSuba more.
hoho... let's hope there isn't suddenly 5 pages of Boku Dake in TLADT otherwise I might have to suffer thru what you did. XD
On February 12 2016 07:06 IceHism wrote: I'm surprised boku dake doesn't generate as much discussion as it should here.
Well, lots of people here got impatient and read the manga... At least I feel like half of the posts about it here were people saying they aren't feeling as hyped anymore because they read the manga (or similar stuff).
On February 12 2016 06:39 Sentenal wrote: I dunno, its not like there is some sort of formula I use. And its not like "Hey, this character ended the life of another! Fuck them!" Theres lots of factors at play, and honestly its easier pointing out what does cross the imaginary line, than saying what the imaginary line actually is, if that makes any sense.
Fair enough. Killing doesn't matter much to me, most of the time it's faceless fodder anyways. But it seems like to me that you don't like Kurumi deriving pleasure from killing, despite her doing so out of necessity for her abilities.
To me, her portrayal just felt so bipolar. On one hand, she's killing people, pretty much has no regard for human life, and sees people as cattle. And then it tries to justify what she's doing, as if saying "well despite all that, she's still good, plz don't hate!"
Maybe if they didn't want her to appear villainous, or less villainous, they should have limited her to killing soldiers. Or not have her clearly take pleasure in doing it. Its one of those situations where you really can't have your cake and eat it too.
On February 12 2016 05:17 Slaughter wrote: Kurumi's goal is to literally prevent the whole spirit thing and negate everything that has happened in the show and its history. Including the catastrophes that killed millions of people and all the atrocities that DEM has done (not to mention it would negate all her own actions). She doesn't eat people out of boredom, it is how she fuels her power and she needs energy to go back in time to accomplish her goal of changing the timeline to where none of the bad shit happened.
No she doesn't fit the profile for a sociopath because she actually has the things that they lack (albeit in a twisted way). She has psychopathic tendencies. My whole argument is that you are simplifying her character by taking like 2 of her qualities then throwing everything else about her out then calling her just a crazy evil bitch.
So she enjoys killing and torturing people people because she has a greater good in mind? Pretty sure any non-psychopathic person would hate having to take lives and torture people even if there was a greater good.
And people that are cruel to animals are shitty people, but they're not so shitty that you murder them in cold blood while literally looking like it's turning you on.
I've been getting into Warhammer 40k stuff semi-recently, so all this stuff about "Greater Good" and murder talk is making me imagine things like Khorne-worshipping Tau Cultist, lol.
I mean there are good anti-heroes, or if you prefer anti-villain in anime but kurumi is definitely not one of them.
It's literally psychopathic remorseless serial killer that ocasionally switches into HERE OTAKU LOOK AT THIS CUTE GIRL, SHE'S STILL A CUTE GIRL DESPITE BEING AN ABSOLUTELY AWFUL PERSON, oh and now she's back to killing innocents.
Well, I think it's fairly obvious that Mirai has something on her mind regarding relationships, considering her reactions towards the feelings of Nao and that other dude that wanted to marry her. However, I would argue that most people would have come to the conclusion that it's about Slegger. That's what I meant with random. I personally thought that she might not be sure what she really wants or if she wants a relationship at all. In the end, it didn't even serve a pupose. I mean, the whole development was so short it was more ridiculous than sad. I mean from the situation that she felt bad and Nao suddenly knew what was up to the point of Slegger's death probably only 5-10 minutes went by. At some point I thought they might have done this to set up for Nao x Mirai but that didn't happen, either.
Well whatever, it's just a small part of the whole movie(s)...
On February 12 2016 06:41 sharkie wrote: Boku Dake ga Inai Machi is such a emotional rollercoaster... Watched it up to episode 6 now
Sure is... it's really good, however it's fairly grim which makes it harder to watch for me. ^^ Still best anime of the season in terms of quality, but I enjoy the sillyness of KonoSuba more.
hoho... let's hope there isn't suddenly 5 pages of Boku Dake in TLADT otherwise I might have to suffer thru what you did. XD
I'm quite grateful that there aren't many discussion about it. It makes the waiting-game easier.
Well, I think it's fairly obvious that Mirai has something on her mind regarding relationships, considering her reactions towards the feelings of Nao and that other dude that wanted to marry her. However, I would argue that most people would have come to the conclusion that it's about Slegger. That's what I meant with random. I personally thought that she might not be sure what she really wants or if she wants a relationship at all. In the end, it didn't even serve a pupose. I mean, the whole development was so short it was more ridiculous than sad. I mean from the situation that she felt bad and Nao suddenly knew what was up to the point of Slegger's death probably only 5-10 minutes went by. At some point I thought they might have done this to set up for Nao x Mirai but that didn't happen, either.
Well whatever, it's just a small part of the whole movie(s)...
Nao=Bright, right? I'm not used to him being called something else, lol
The originally Gundam doesn't do much in terms of relationships. In terms of canon, they are there, and they certainly happen, but when they finally appear, you are like "wait, they were an item?" If you watch Zeta Gundam, I can guarantee it will reveal at least one couple from original Gundam that will blindside you, lol
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