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On February 02 2016 21:24 Unleashing wrote:
Osomatsu-san almost sold 80k with its first volume already in its first week
I mean i knew it was generally popular and also incredibly big with fujoshi, but i never would've guessed it was that fucking big
80k? 80k????
That's insane. Compare that to the shitty sales of OPM. It's almost ten-fold the amount.
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It's not surprising at all
1: It's not late night anime
2: It's from 60s so pretty much everyone alive is target audience
I know people here pretend anyone older than 35 does not exist but they do and have much more disposable income.
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On February 02 2016 23:52 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 21:24 Unleashing wrote:
Osomatsu-san almost sold 80k with its first volume already in its first week
I mean i knew it was generally popular and also incredibly big with fujoshi, but i never would've guessed it was that fucking big 80k? 80k????That's insane. Compare that to the shitty sales of OPM. It's almost ten-fold the amount.
Uh, what
since when was 11k first volume sales shitty?
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On February 03 2016 00:05 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 23:52 Miragee wrote:On February 02 2016 21:24 Unleashing wrote:
Osomatsu-san almost sold 80k with its first volume already in its first week
I mean i knew it was generally popular and also incredibly big with fujoshi, but i never would've guessed it was that fucking big 80k? 80k????That's insane. Compare that to the shitty sales of OPM. It's almost ten-fold the amount. Uh, what since when was 11k first volume sales shitty?
11k is pretty shitty in comparison to how much it was hyped outside Japan. On it's own that's still really good of course but people over here expected even more.
Also the 2nd vol is down to 6k BRs I think?
yeah:
Mr. Osomatsu !st Matsu (Limited First Pressing Blu-ray Disc) : 35,795
Owarimonogatari Vol. II/Sodachi Riddle (Limited Complete Pressing): 21,373
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One-Punch Man 2 : 6,006
are there seperate versions? Like a normal and the limited edition so you added them together to 80k or is that + DVDs?
(seems like +DVDs, BRs are at ~36k as above, DVDs at ~43k)
GATE is surprisingly low. Never realized that:
Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri Vol. 5 (Limited First Pressing) 4,510
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On February 03 2016 00:13 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:05 Unleashing wrote:On February 02 2016 23:52 Miragee wrote:On February 02 2016 21:24 Unleashing wrote:
Osomatsu-san almost sold 80k with its first volume already in its first week
I mean i knew it was generally popular and also incredibly big with fujoshi, but i never would've guessed it was that fucking big 80k? 80k????That's insane. Compare that to the shitty sales of OPM. It's almost ten-fold the amount. Uh, what since when was 11k first volume sales shitty? 11k is pretty shitty in comparison to how much it was hyped outside Japan. On it's own that's still really good of course but people over here expected even more. Also the 2nd vol is down to 6k BRs I think?
Hype in the west has little to do with sales in japan. I don't really know why people expected more though, it doesn't have the kind of audience that'd buy a shit ton of BDs and DVDs, it'd be like considering jojo's sales shit because egypt arc averaged around 10k. Manga sales went up by a ton while anime was airing, which is almost certainly what Shueisha was looking for when they went to get an anime adaption made.
And volume 2 has similar sales to volume 1:
+ Show Spoiler +Volume 1 week 1:
2800 DVD + 6000 BD
Volume 2 week 1:
2500 DVD + 6000 BD
So it isn't 'down' by anything really, it'll likely increase similarly to volume 1 and end up in the 10k+ territory over the next week or two.
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lots of people liked it over here => lots of people thought lots of people in JP would like it too => lots of people thought it would get a lot of sales
not really that far fetched for someone who's not knowledge about any of this. I'm just stating why people thought it would be way more. And just to be clear, I'm in that group as well. I only look at sales for stuff I like to see how it's doing but don't really follow it more than that.
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Only Shaftfanboys care about DVD/BD sales, anyway. Or at least, think they are the end all be all of "sales". Some anime are geared to selling BDs. Some are geared towards selling toys. Others are geared towards advertising their source (manga, LN, VN, etc). Even licensing distribution brings in income.
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I mean if you looked at nanatsu no taizai's anime sales you wouldn't realize just how fucking successful the anime actually was, 5k average sales seems like decent sales but nothing to really get your arms up about.
Yet the anime boosted the manga sales so much that it was almost the best selling manga the following year because it made people go out and buy volume 1 and up.
Then you have certain franchises that rely on merchandise sales (Mecha series often) or even series that get a huge part of their income from character songs and the like (symphogear for example)
Not all series can be judged based on the anime sales alone. A lot of anime are nothing but glorified commercials for other products.
I mean OPM was still the 11th best selling manga in 2015 despite most of the data being from before the anime(Data is from November14 to November15). The series is popular in japan too, but obviously not to the same degree as in the west.
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On February 03 2016 00:26 Toadesstern wrote:
lots of people liked it over here => lots of people thought lots of people in JP would like it too => lots of people thought it would get a lot of sales
not really that far fetched for someone who's not knowledge about any of this. I'm just stating why people thought it would be way more. And just to be clear, I'm in that group as well. I only look at sales for stuff I like to see how it's doing but don't really follow it more than that.
I thought you'd learn by now that the Western meme is not the same as Japanese Meme. OPM is perfect for western memeing but doesn't contain much for the Japanese memeing. Hype in the West lives by it's meme potential. Why do you think Steins;Gate is so loved?
Generally Manga/LN sales are the most important sales figures for an adaption not the sales of the actual anime.
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On February 03 2016 00:36 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:26 Toadesstern wrote:
lots of people liked it over here => lots of people thought lots of people in JP would like it too => lots of people thought it would get a lot of sales
not really that far fetched for someone who's not knowledge about any of this. I'm just stating why people thought it would be way more. And just to be clear, I'm in that group as well. I only look at sales for stuff I like to see how it's doing but don't really follow it more than that. I thought you'd learn by now that the Western meme is not the same as Japanese Meme. OPM is perfect for western memeing but doesn't contain much for the Japanese memeing. Hype in the West lives by it's meme potential. Why do you think Steins;Gate is so loved? Generally Manga/LN sales are the most important sales figures for an adaption not the sales of the actual anime.
that's just equally wrong as the above "naive" explanation if you use that as a generalization. Completely depends on what group is how invested in all of it and yes lots of anime are ads for their source but not like all of them are.
Then there's toys, CDs and stand-alone stuff.
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I mean then you also have some DVD and BDs which are just advanced gambling with event tickets included where some fans end up buying 40 BDs on their own just to get the event ticket.
Edit: Apparently osomatsu had an event ticket in its first volume? Gonna be interesting to see if following volumes have a significant drop in sales if that's true. Still incredibly impressive though.
Edit2: Apparently volume 2 also has an event ticket, huh. Probably wont be an utapri level drop in sales then (65k vol 1 to 35k vol 2)
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yeah. The nice thing about BDs however is that they're all about the same prize if we ignore stuff like limited edition or any extras like that. Not saying that's all there is to it but that part of it is fairly easy to judge.
On the other hand you have stuff like LNs where you see all kinds of things mangled together:
rank / this week / overall / Name
*1. 28,841 *94,941 Monogatari Series: Off Season Vol.2 "Wazamonogatari"
*6. *7,225 128,025 No Game No Life Vol.8
12. *6,702 *59,010 Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku wo! Vol.1
ranked by this week sales, not sales overall
you see that NGNL is still selling better than Monogatari right now and Konosuba vol1 is pretty damn good as well (yes I picked stuff I like and am somewhat knowledge about on purpose)
And then you realize that those are about 650Yen per Book vs 1500Yen per vol or whatever it was for Monogatari and stuff. Manga is something else (I don't have manga so no idea about the prices there) as well, so it gets more complicated than most people are willing to dive into.
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On February 03 2016 00:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:36 Numy wrote:On February 03 2016 00:26 Toadesstern wrote:
lots of people liked it over here => lots of people thought lots of people in JP would like it too => lots of people thought it would get a lot of sales
not really that far fetched for someone who's not knowledge about any of this. I'm just stating why people thought it would be way more. And just to be clear, I'm in that group as well. I only look at sales for stuff I like to see how it's doing but don't really follow it more than that. I thought you'd learn by now that the Western meme is not the same as Japanese Meme. OPM is perfect for western memeing but doesn't contain much for the Japanese memeing. Hype in the West lives by it's meme potential. Why do you think Steins;Gate is so loved? Generally Manga/LN sales are the most important sales figures for an adaption not the sales of the actual anime. that's just equally wrong as the above "naive" explanation if you use that as a generalization. Completely depends on what group is how invested in all of it and yes lots of anime are ads for their source but not like all of them are. Then there's toys, CDs and stand-alone stuff.
Stand-alone stuff aren't adaptions. Come now. I specifically said for adaptions of manga/LN generally looking at the sales of the source material is a fair assessment of how well it's doing and not specifically the anime sales. Obviously this isn't going to be 100% accurate but for the most part it's a better indicator than looking at the anime itself.
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On February 03 2016 00:05 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 23:52 Miragee wrote:On February 02 2016 21:24 Unleashing wrote:
Osomatsu-san almost sold 80k with its first volume already in its first week
I mean i knew it was generally popular and also incredibly big with fujoshi, but i never would've guessed it was that fucking big 80k? 80k????That's insane. Compare that to the shitty sales of OPM. It's almost ten-fold the amount. Uh, what since when was 11k first volume sales shitty?
Obviously exaggerated... I was referencing what people in the west expected from the sales of OPM and Osumatsu-san. Of course the sales for OPM aren't shitty. But even without this consideration the difference is quite huge. I mean even the new Monogatari was at 20k sales or something and I thought that was rather well-recieved in japan.
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It's the worst selling monogatari so far(Not that its sales are bad in any way, they're still top tier), but then again that's not really surprising as its been dropping in sales from each part that's adapted.
For previous monogatari series:
+ Show Spoiler +Bake average sales: 80k
Nise average sales: 60k
Second Season average sales: 42k
Owari monogatari volume 1 sales so far: 27k
But honestly as far as DVD/BD sales goes, anything above 10k is doing great. Very very few series are going to have bakemonogatari, madoka and Gundam SEED tier sales. Gonna have to see if osomatsu-san stays up there.
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well, the Bakemonogatari sales weren't really above 40k average when it first aired either according to quick google search
That probably accumulates over the years with re-sales and all that
Assuming it's a decent series to begin with. I doubt anyone will be buying absolute duo BRs in 2 years.
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People also realized that best girl slowly stops seeing screen time so scrambled to get in on Bake.
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On February 03 2016 03:46 Toadesstern wrote:
well, the Bakemonogatari sales weren't really above 40k average when it first aired either according to quick google search
That probably accumulates over the years with re-sales and all that
Assuming it's a decent series to begin with. I doubt anyone will be buying absolute duo BRs in 2 years.
Actually including relist sales long after when the series aired the series comes up to a 112k average
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tl;dr: don't trust german wikipedia on anime?
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The online data most people look/have available is typically only for shows that ranked on sites like oricon. If it didn't rank there wont be any data, it's why some series end up with sales data of "0", not because they sold nothing but because the sales were too insignificant for them to rank on such sites.
So re-list sales are if something happened to make the series sell enough to rank again later on like with new special editions of box sets.
Edit: Decided to check, bake's first week sales were actually low at around 44k after that it climbed to 72k after 10 weeks. So the numbers you saw might've been right, but only for one week 
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