EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 5310
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Numy
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goody153
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what can i say Numy some parts of haruhi hit home. The show is not some kind of legendary anime maybe it's supposed to be a weird romcom but hey i liked it and i didn't see it as one of the random romcoms that i watched what can i do. | ||
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Numy
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I guess a more recent example would be the dynamic between Reina and Kumiko. Expect the same kind of quality from a romcom as a space opera is possibly asking to much but comparing to Hibike may be more in line. That relationship felt more interesting and real to me. Both characters feel like actual people while still having that element of surrealism to them that stories thrive on. You actually land up rooting for them instead of just having no real reason to care which is the failing of Haruhi. There's no reason to be interested in any of the characters aside from their sci-fi "clicheness". edit: I actually have a better comparison! It's not anime but a TV series called Mad men. Now Mad men is a largely character driven show where the plot is only really there to enable the characters. For most of the show I actually disliked a lot of the cast. They selfish,flawed human beings but they have enough depth in them to be rather interesting. I guess it's also not really right to compare a rather well written high budget show like that to Haruhi. At least it gets the point across better. | ||
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Miragee
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On October 08 2015 18:12 goody153 wrote: It's not the same different character looks, different environment and among other things everytime. Anyways unless you are me who would willingly watch it like a couple of times you should only watch what's needed for that part which should be 1,2,4,8 or 1,2,5,8(personally this is the one i liked since this one has the noticable haruhi-kyon emphasis in the middle of the episode) i didn't even notice what endless 8 was when i first watched it and i was not warned until the 3rd episode lmao no normal person who doesn't wanna suffer should watch every single bit of it, luckily there's no need to watch all of it Haha ok. If I manage to get that far I will take your advice into account. Oh and Numy, not everyone has an acquired taste like you.  | ||
Kipsate
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Does this season suck or have I missed something. | ||
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goody153
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On October 08 2015 20:36 Numy wrote: It felt like it was on the cusp of being good to me. If the characters were a little less one dimensional and interesting it could have been really good. Such a shame. I mean I can sit watching Yang talk to Frederica for hours but Haruhi characters don't have that kind of depth to them. A shame really. The premise is interesting. That's kind of what baffles me around the cult following. It felt like such wasted potential that seeing the following seems arb to me. Thought more people would be disappointed than fanboying. I guess a more recent example would be the dynamic between Reina and Kumiko. Expect the same kind of quality from a romcom as a space opera is possibly asking to much but comparing to Hibike may be more in line. That relationship felt more interesting and real to me. Both characters feel like actual people while still having that element of surrealism to them that stories thrive on. You actually land up rooting for them instead of just having no real reason to care which is the failing of Haruhi. There's no reason to be interested in any of the characters aside from their sci-fi "clicheness". edit: I actually have a better comparison! It's not anime but a TV series called Mad men. Now Mad men is a largely character driven show where the plot is only really there to enable the characters. For most of the show I actually disliked a lot of the cast. They selfish,flawed human beings but they have enough depth in them to be rather interesting. I guess it's also not really right to compare a rather well written high budget show like that to Haruhi. At least it gets the point across better. Idk about comparing it to Hibike since they spend alot of time doing normal people stuff thus it's easier for it to feel like "real" since the one actually simulates real life and the other does have literally exaggerated situations. Like two shows have different emphasis. To elborate more Hibike Euphonium spends time portraying the life of band members from worrying about which to prioritize the band life or their study life to internal band issues to little things like eating on some fastfood after school to who they spend their festival with to whatever their family situation is. No matter where i look at Hibike the showcases everything in their lives. While haruhi deals exaggerated situations and half the time when they showcase Sol parts they aren't even focusing on the SoL portion and rather having a commentary of making fun of the situation or ridiculing something. I don't think they are similar at all except that they are both set in a highschool setting and they are about a club. Cause with how Hibike focuses on it's show as long as it's doing decent it's supposed to flesh the characters in every single way from school to household to anything cause that's what the show is supposed to do. So compared to haruhi the characters will always feel complete and the characters in haruhi are a bunch of troupes and are that way for comedic purposes. Like i could compare Hibike to Hyouka or maybe to clannad before the magic happens in s2 but not to haruhi cause haruhi and hibike in a sense are nothing alike. Hibike is about struggles and aspirations of band member highschool students which resemble real life while Haruhi is about an idiot making a monologue about the strange happenings that surround a highschoolgirl he fancies about which resembles escapism of whatever goes on the head of somebody daydreaming. | ||
Nagisama
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Still better start than some of the shit that's aired so far =\ | ||
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Numy
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Miragee
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On October 08 2015 22:02 Kipsate wrote: I have given a lot of anime this season a look and so far the only anime which I find to be interesting and will follow is Gundam Iron-blooded Orphans. Does this season suck or have I missed something. What shall I say? It seems like every season I like is universally hated by TLADT and every season I dislike is universally liked by TLADT. For me, Fall 2015 had the strongest start out of all seasons this year. | ||
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goody153
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On October 08 2015 22:06 Numy wrote: I wasn't comparing the shows but the relationship between the characters. Sorry I didn't make the clear. That's why I said Mad men was better example as I can compare the shows in the sense that they both character driven with characters that you don't particularly like. i haven't seen madmen but i guess i can kinda understand of the gist of what you mean | ||
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Miragee
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On October 08 2015 22:24 goody153 wrote: what was that season with yamada + nisekoi and a bunch of other romcoms that was the best season all other seasons barely got like 1-2 shows that i liked That was spring and yeah, most of the people here loved spring. | ||
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Numy
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On October 08 2015 22:24 goody153 wrote: what was that season with yamada + nisekoi and a bunch of other romcoms that was the best season all other seasons barely got like 1-2 shows that i liked i haven't seen madmen but i guess i can kinda understand of the gist of what you mean Have you watched Shinsekai Yori? That's kind of the opposite senario where the characters are there largely to let the plot/setting move. So the characters tend to be rather flat and sacrificed for the story. I guess the basic idea is that if your story is character focused you have to make the characters and their relationships interesting. How likable the characters are don't necessarily matter depending on how interesting the 2 previous mentioned things are. Haruhi I felt failed at doing this so the fact that I couldn't like the characters just make it impossible to watch. As a random note I feel this is why character focused stories tend to be a lot harder to write. It's easier to make an really interesting setting/premise/plot which can help cover the weaknesses of the characters. When you put the plot on the back-burner you have to make sure the characters are able to to hold. Stories that are able to have both really good plot and characters are just really good and often praised as such. | ||
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Unleashing
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 wtb memory wiper to enjoy such series' again | ||
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goody153
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Just to make it clear they don't have to be goodnatured to be likable or interesting/quirky even evil/cruel characters can be likable. For example SAO (i was ok with the characters on the first 3 episodes only) not that the plot was ever great or whatever one of the other factor that made me dislike it was that i literally didn't like anybody on screen. Well i guess that makes sense if you didn't like the characters in haruhi in the first place it would be hard to enjoy the show. | ||
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Miragee
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On October 08 2015 23:06 goody153 wrote: I actually haven't seen Shinsekai Yori too lol(got warded off by the Yaoi content i know silly reason but i don't wanna watch men suck each others faces) Isn't finding characters and their relationship "interesting" depends to how much you like it/them ? Like i don't think it's possible to be invested in a story solely for the plot and if you don't like the characters at least at some level you have to find one of the characters acceptable or able to root for. I think that really depends on what you are enjoying. I agree with Numy's assessment about SSY as I also said that multiple times in the past: The characters in that show are merely plot devices, nothing more. There are still people out there that love the show for the "strong" characters but then again, there are also tons of people loving bullet point characters like in Steins;Gate. Personally, I didn't really saw any of the characters in SSY as real characters but I still enjoyed the show a lot because the plot was so good. For me that is enough and it was definitely not the only show where this was the case. Serial Experiments Lain would be another example where the characters are even more plot devices than in SSY. I don't now whether I agree with Numy's "a plot driven show is easier to write than a character driven show". I think they are both similar hard to write good in terms of quality. However, in character driven shows you have the option to make your characters likable which is much easier then to write deep characters because you just have to go the marry sue way and pander to the audience. Likable characters are already enough for most people to enjoy the show. In the end I like both ends of the scale but it's best when you have both, good plot and good characters. As for your "Isn't finding characters and their relationship "interesting" depends to how much you like it/them?": No, I don't think so. Why would people love well written villains then? Because there was some talk of LotGH on the last few pages and it's a show that does characters extraordinarily well I will take an example from it: Oberstein must be one of the most disgusting characters I have ever seen in any medium. I hate him with a passion. Yet I'm really glad he is part of the show as he makes for a lot of interesting disputes, interactions and plot events. Especially seeing different characters interacting with him is something I'm really fond of in that show. Oh and you should watch SSY. There is like one episode with a boy on boy kiss I think... Honestly, I don't get why people are getting so worked-up over something like this in SSY. The actual active part of gay love is such a small part of the show that you should be able to enjoy the show even if you are an intolerant fuck (not talking about anyone here, but it's actually disgusting what people are writing on other boards). | ||
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Numy
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@Miragee - Well look at the SAO example Goody brought up. The plot is garbage and the characters are terrible yet it's still loved because of how badly people like the premise. Then you take a look at something like SnK where the characters are garbage but the plot/setting can be interesting and it's loved again. Action as a genre typically has one dimensional characters but is quite popular. Even looking at the good fantasy stories out there you find a lot of them have weak characters. Lord of the Rings for example has pretty one dimensional pool of characters but the journey and world itself are interesting enough to carry through. | ||
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In the end I like both ends of the scale but it's best when you have both, good plot and good characters. Ideally that's what we hope to see but rarely do i have seen this. From the two good character make shitty story acceptable now that i think about it good plot with disposable characters is still acceptable . I'm not really sure which is harder to write but i assume character driven one should be harder like Numy says. Feels like interesting characters are harder to nail than writing actually good story "Isn't finding characters and their relationship "interesting" depends to how much you like it/them?" When i say this i don't mean that they have to be an ideal character that i would like irl i just have to find their presence in the story enjoyable or glad that they exist in the story whether they very fun and/or gives you warm positive feelings or even if do/say heartwrecking shit that just makes me want to rip them apart into multiple pieces. As long as they are interesting/enjoyable that's what i meant about i like the character. Well this point is redundant cause you already said it lol I wouldn't probably mind even if the show has Yaoi action as long as it's good as you guys claim. Hell i mean i've watched FSN 2006 for f/z cause people said i have to watch it even though i absolutely disliked FSN 2006 but didn't drop for the sake of f/z. But i'm not gonna watch SSY soon i'll put it onhold i'm watching a bunch of tv shows and reading a bunch of books atm. On October 08 2015 23:45 Numy wrote: There's more lesbian action than gay guys lol. Pretty sad how intolerant the anime viewer base is when it comes to homosexuality and how hypocritical they are. 2 girls act way to close for merely friends? Everyone loves that. One ep of 2 guys being romantically close that fits in context of the story? Disgusting, terrible show. Well in my case i don't like both lol but i find female to female action tolerable. It's just preference if i could help it that i don't wanna watch something non-straight romantic interaction. That doesn't mean i'm a homophob like unleashing claims out of his armchair analysis On October 08 2015 23:54 Unleashing wrote: I'll be honest anyone that drops SSY solely because of that single scene is probably just homophobic. if i was homophobic i wouldn't be close and actually spend time with my gay friends at all and maybe i would've flamed everygay person i have met in my life . HEH Come on man There's a difference between disliking homosexual and not liking seeing homosexual romance. | ||
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