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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On December 09 2010 09:46 LunarDestiny wrote: winter lineup doesn't impress. + Show Spoiler + http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8393/winter2010j.jpg I'll try watching that yugioh wannabe. Thanks for the link. Two or three look interesting. Nothing that jumps out at me though. But then again, the best don't always have compelling descriptions. Guess I'll have to wait for them to know for sure. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On December 10 2010 04:56 Blobskillz wrote: so the question still remains, why do we have an apparent lack in animes with a considerable depth in their story even though it's commonly known that those animes tend to have a bigger audience and thus creat more profit. And that's where I am not sure to be true. To me it seems like missing source material, but that'd still leave original animations which can be quite successfull ( Angel beats eg. ). And as was pointed out before there are still a crapton of Mangas around that dont have an anime. Which is quite fascinating considering that Mangas that didnt even get close to finishing yet allready got animes. I dont think you can solely blame it on an increased need for tits. Which brings me to the assumption that a combination of getting too old for anime, lacking money on the customer side and that leading to less money for studios. And all this ends in a way that the studios have to produce animes that appeal in a surefire way to a crowd that is willing to spend loads of money for their anime. These people tend to be harcore otakus and most of those seemingly tend to build up an increased interest in more or less pointless character driven shows. As you corrected yourself, it doesn't require any source material to create a good anime (even though Angel Beats is a horrendous example). I just think it's a matter of effort, or rather the lack of it.. Taking simple slice of life and comedy manga and adaptating it into anime doesn't take much imagination, research or directing skills. Plus, evidently it makes money. It feels like the studios are more interested in short-term gain than building timeless classics, increasing their long term reputation and sales. Trying to create something more creative and artistic is a bit more risky. I think we talked about this previously, but Casshern Sins and Kaiba were both financial failures, despite being two of the more creative anime produced in these last two years.. | ||
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Pfhor
123 Posts
On December 10 2010 00:59 HitoriTomoyo wrote: Unfortunately, sex sells and thus many anime series throw in a lot of unnecessary fanservice in order to sell out to the creepier population of the anime fanbase. It CAN be seldom funny if thrown in at random times but at the rate that it's used it completely inhibits any series' potential to develop its characters and plot and present an overall enjoyable story. For example (not a good one but it's the first one that came to mind), a lot of fans looks at Hinagiku Katsura (Hayate no Gotoku!) and immediately swoon over concepts like "zOmg TeH SEx!!!1!1" or "KawAIIIIII!!!1!", completely ignoring the fact that she's amongst one of the most fleshed out and believable characters in the series (save the whole moving/attacking/thinking at a superhuman rate but that's like a precondition of being an anime character these days =/; while relatively cliche, at least a sufficient reason is presented for her overall demeanor/attitude towards life and she's one of the few characters that can truly connect with Hayate on a level deeper than a lot of the other characters ever could. Unfortunately, this image was overturned by the anime adaptation where random eyecatches and other scenes focus on Hayate running into her (or the other females for that matter) when they're stripping (granted this occurs in the manga as well but not as much as the anime displays it >3<). My problem is not with developer's throwing fanservice into their products, as much as I hate that. My bigger problem is with the fanbase that take a decently executed series like Nanoha which DOES NOT focus on sexualizing it's characters (I'm not gonna say there's no fanservice, but it's definitely not the focus of the series), and then proceed to sexualize it anyway. This kind of thing is probably in other types of viewership, but it seems more rampant among Anime viewers moreso than people who watch say, a primetime american TV series. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 10 2010 06:51 Shauni wrote: As you corrected yourself, it doesn't require any source material to create a good anime (even though Angel Beats is a horrendous example). I just think it's a matter of effort, or rather the lack of it.. Taking simple slice of life and comedy manga and adaptating it into anime doesn't take much imagination, research or directing skills. Plus, evidently it makes money. It feels like the studios are more interested in short-term gain than building timeless classics, increasing their long term reputation and sales. Trying to create something more creative and artistic is a bit more risky. I think we talked about this previously, but Casshern Sins and Kaiba were both financial failures, despite being two of the more creative anime produced in these last two years. I pretty much completely agree with this, although I haven't watched the two example animes you mentioned. On December 10 2010 06:52 Pfhor wrote: My problem is not with developer's throwing fanservice into their products, as much as I hate that. My bigger problem is with the fanbase that take a decently executed series like Nanoha which DOES NOT focus on sexualizing it's characters (I'm not gonna say there's no fanservice, but it's definitely not the focus of the series), and then proceed to sexualize it anyway. This kind of thing is probably in other types of viewership, but it seems more rampant among Anime viewers moreso than people who watch say, a primetime american TV series. Not to burst your bubble, but there was alot of Fanservice in the main series themselves. Fate had tons of ass-shots in A's, and StrikerS was a huge lesbo fest. So its not like they are just taking a series that barely had any fan service, and adding it into the movie. It was already there, and they just reflected that. | ||
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unbal3
Korea (South)131 Posts
formulaic heroes with obscenely colored hair screaming names of fight moves page after page, episode after episode (e.g. one piece. filler much?) has put me off shonen manga in general in the past, as have volumes of raw, exaggerated violence in seinen manga; and i haven't bothered going into many of the other genres for probably obvious reasons. when i came across Fullmetal Alchemist by Arakawa Hiromu, it was like a breath of fresh air - finally, a manga with a deep, refined storyline along with characters and a setting that requires minimal suspension of disbelief, as well as plenty of attention to artwork and detail. the Brotherhood animation was of such high quality, as well (incredible attention to detail and >20fps animation? yes please). this got me wondering if there were any more manga/anime like it, except when i tried looking for some, all i came across were the kind i've avoided in the past for reasons stated in the paragraph above. i always appreciate a good story, and since it's been a long time since i've looked at manga, i was wondering if there were any fellow TLers who could inform me of manga/anime with a good storyline and a believable setting (one can suspend disbelief only so much). if you know of such manga/anime and would like to share, i'd be very grateful :D | ||
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Blobskillz
Germany548 Posts
it's an action oriented anime with a bit of drama, Some supernatural monsters nice artwork and a pretty good storyline. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
The small cultural demographic is just getting more and more narrow the more the studios and (obviously even manga-writers and game-makers) focus on copying each-other instead of trying to thread new ground. How many times haven't we seen the same haunted house filler in almost every slice of life and comedy show? And the ordinary high school student getting caught up in something completely surreal? It might fool the japanese otakus, but I don't think the general audience will remain as forgiving. As I said before, short term gain. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On December 10 2010 06:03 Blobskillz wrote: yeah that's right franchises make money I never doubted that because franchise is such a wide term that it practically combines everything you can buy related to the anime in one group so I think you missed my point. When you can name one franchise deriving from an anime that's older then 2 years and a moeblob or titty anime if you cant then I think my former statement about a corellation between story and longterm money is still right Umm, there is no long term money because long term money is risk. We already hinted at the reasoning why these moeblob animes sticks around because simply there is little risk involved in such a title. Once you start putting depth into any title, you risk losing potential consumers. That's why you see studios playing it extremely conservatively going with either established titles with a good manga background or returning to the big franchises. And what does your last statement even mean? It's completely irrelevant as lets see....Onegai Teacher, Oh my Goddess, Love Hina, Love Rumble have all been around for a long time now and you can see a good amount of those shows in the current ones and...that the moeblob shows haven't been in full force until recently. That means 2 years ago, they weren't given enough time to establish a franchise, see the hole in your logic? You also think that a quality story will equal money and thus a franchise. Not true either. Story is irrelevant as long as you have a fanbase willing to shell out money. I mean look at Naruto and Bleach animes, both of their stories have went to filler and yet they both remain lucrative. See the disparity? Investing costs money and you're essentially banking on the fact that a well written story, theme, or even world will translate into long-term cash. Not the case, simply because there is no guarantee for such a return on your investment. It's a simple decision really, take the guaranteed money or take a risk on what maybe more or what maybe less money, that's a no brainer. | ||
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DeLoAdEr
Japan527 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 10 2010 08:50 DeLoAdEr wrote: any recommendations from this years spring/summer/fall season? i skimmed through the charts of each season but nothing seemed really special! Depends on what type of anime you like. Can you give any ideas as to what anime/genres of anime that you do like? | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
On December 10 2010 06:19 ThaZenith wrote: Thanks for the link. Two or three look interesting. Nothing that jumps out at me though. But then again, the best don't always have compelling descriptions. Guess I'll have to wait for them to know for sure. Yeah, we're gonna need to try some of those to make sure. But just looking at the chart, the only thing that catches my interest is Kimi ni Todoke s2. | ||
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Dark-Storm
Canada334 Posts
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DeLoAdEr
Japan527 Posts
On December 10 2010 08:54 Sentenal wrote: Depends on what type of anime you like. Can you give any ideas as to what anime/genres of anime that you do like? i find drama and comedy animes the most enjoyable, the context (e.g. mecha/scifi/etc) doesn't matter too much for me, altough i somehow dislike fantasy settings.=D some stuff i really liked that comes to my mind right now: NGE, cowboy bebop, NHK, GTO, hikaru no go, code geass (no particular order) i feel that in some seasons there are sometimes like 1-2 epic animes everyone is watching regardless of preferences and genre, that's where i was aiming at with my question.^^ | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On December 10 2010 07:19 Shauni wrote: It's also a problem where the culture is isolated such as Japan, there will be limitations and target audiences will become... easier to target as the industry develops. If you compare it to other mediums, it's not nearly as specific as anime. You can see this difference clearly while comparing it to big budget anime movies, even modern ones (Sky Crawlers, Paprika for instance) - the movies doesn't really require a certain isolated audience. The small cultural demographic is just getting more and more narrow the more the studios and (obviously even manga-writers and game-makers) focus on copying each-other instead of trying to thread new ground. How many times haven't we seen the same haunted house filler in almost every slice of life and comedy show? And the ordinary high school student getting caught up in something completely surreal? It might fool the japanese otakus, but I don't think the general audience will remain as forgiving. As I said before, short term gain. You touched on this, but it seems that nearly every entertainment industry these days follows this format: -Someone actually has the balls to make something cool and original, and it's extremely successful. -People copy their formula to get some easy, cheap short term gain -Industry goes through horrible period of just one kind of show until something else that's new is made -Repeat again after step 3 Edit @ TWGOK readers: Is it bad that I got a little hot the first time I saw Jun? O_O | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
I felt they did a pretty good job of building up characters and character relationships (primarily Nakasugi in S1 and Birdy in S2). the second season took on a more darker, violent tone and the first season was lighter, more charming, but I enjoyed both equally. it had some plot holes and sometimes idiotic sequences+ Show Spoiler + Tsutomu not revealing Nakusagi's location even though she was the Ryunka and was going to annihilate Earth I really like the OP of both seasons too =D + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL492HPCJJ4&translated=1 | ||
Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
On December 10 2010 09:53 Ferrose wrote: Edit @ TWGOK readers: Is it bad that I got a little hot the first time I saw Jun? O_O Ayumi, Shiori, Haqua, Jun, Sumire, and Yui are all better than the rest, imo. So you're excused. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
And the kiss was really cute this time  | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
sooo much better god | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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