EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 3091
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ragz_gt
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Carnivorous Sheep
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On September 12 2013 00:51 ragz_gt wrote: Well, there is a bunch if you go by Shinto stuff: Izanagi / Izanami, Amaterasu / Tsukuyomi etc That just goes to my point of incest not being particularly more prevalent in Japanese culture compared to anyone else - literally every single creation myth around the world has copious amounts of incest of all varieties. | ||
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Ecael
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Kipsate
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On September 12 2013 01:00 Kipsate wrote: Is it just me being uninformed or are some people overestimating the Incest/Anime culture prevalence in Japan. standard baka gaijins | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On September 12 2013 01:00 Kipsate wrote: Is it just me being uninformed or are some people overestimating the Incest/Anime culture prevalence in Japan. Certainly seems that way to me as well. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
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mofuli
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On September 11 2013 22:46 Ecael wrote: How can we have enough of the only redeeming quality of show? You are crazy if you think incest is anything close to a major factor to low birth rate. Also I think that comment from Araragi is a fairly common sentiment. Are we going by western definitions where cousins make for incest? Because in terms of siblings I don't think there is that much. If we were to extend it to cousins then China can argued to be more obsessed with it than Japan. In literature, most common incest are between father-daughter and mather-son, I actually don't recall so mant in terms of siblings. To give a few example of what I mean: For a start there is incest in "The Tale of Genji" the most famous classic japanese literature. Then there is the famous novelist Haruki Murakami, majority of his work contain some sort of incest. And also in the recommand list is Naoki Prize winner 'My man'. A health doze of father-daughter incest from the same author of gosick. So it's a pretty common scene that accepted by mainstream literature. As I said it's culture. | ||
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Ecael
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That said, that is really not all that much more than what we see with Western literature lol. Hell, song of ice and fire is huge here and much more explicit about incest. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On September 12 2013 02:40 mofuli wrote: In literature, most common incest are between father-daughter and mather-son, I actually don't recall so mant in terms of siblings. To give a few example of what I mean: For a start there is incest in "The Tale of Genji" the most famous classic japanese literature. Then there is the famous novelist Haruki Murakami, majority of his work contain some sort of incest. And also in the recommand list is Naoki Prize winner 'My man'. A health doze of father-daughter incest from the same author of gosick. So it's a pretty common scene that accepted by mainstream literature. As I said it's culture. oedipus fucked his mom before any of that was ever written and that was just the tip of the | ||
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mofuli
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On September 12 2013 02:54 Ecael wrote: Genjimonogatari was adopted mother and son, there was no blood relationship. Also, like what ragz and I said, cousins are kind of fair game over there, having been a regular marriage practice historically. Given how the historical stuff afaik tends to be adopted relationships or cousins I think that's kind of out. Murakami wasn't particularly explicit about incest far as I can recall, nor does it tend to be a particularly major theme. I have no idea about the last one though. That said, that is really not all that much more than what we see with Western literature lol. Hell, song of ice and fire is huge here and much more explicit about incest. Well, if you look up the definition of incest of it surely includes adoptive relations so I see no problem here. Anyway, if you can only satisfy yourself with blood related incest you can try other entries I listed. The point is incest is common and positively received in japanese literature. Of course literatures from other cultures may appreciate incest as well but that changes little of that fact, | ||
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elt
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Carnivorous Sheep
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On September 12 2013 03:17 elt wrote: I'm really struggling to come up with a Murakami example. There might have been something in 1Q84? I can't think of anything in any other work excluding his short stories which I'm not as familiar with. Ditto. Don't think Murakami was big on incest at all as a recurring topic. | ||
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mofuli
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On September 12 2013 03:17 elt wrote: I'm really struggling to come up with a Murakami example. There might have been something in 1Q84? I can't think of anything in any other work excluding his short stories which I'm not as familiar with. For example 'Kafka on the Shore', actually it's quite good. | ||
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Ecael
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Kafka on the shore wasn't explicit about it, nor do we know for sure whether it was incest. Again, not a theme, just something that's thrown in there. On September 12 2013 03:11 mofuli wrote: Well, if you look up the definition of incest of it surely includes adoptive relations so I see no problem here. Anyway, if you can only satisfy yourself with blood related incest you can try other entries I listed. The point is incest is common and positively received in japanese literature. Of course literatures from other cultures may appreciate incest as well but that changes little of that fact, Ehh, it honestly doesn't add that much even if you included adopted family. It just opens up a can of worms because of the common nature of adopting other families' kids historically. I definitely wouldn't go as far as to call it common and positively received though. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On September 12 2013 03:22 mofuli wrote: For example 'Kafka on the Shore', actually it's quite good. It's pretty much the only one of his works that I know of where incest is a prominent/major part of the book. To say Murakami writes of incest often is kind of misleading imo. Kafka on the shore wasn't explicit about it, nor do we know for sure whether it was incest. Again, not a theme, just something that's thrown in there. Yeah it wasn't explicitly but I can accept that the Oedipal themes were pretty rampant/decently central to the work. | ||
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mofuli
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On September 12 2013 03:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: It's pretty much the only one of his works that I know of where incest is a prominent/major part of the book. To say Murakami writes of incest often is kind of misleading imo. Yeah it wasn't explicitly but I can accept that the Oedipal themes were pretty rampant/decently central to the work. You are right. I never meant Murakami is speciallized or focused on incest (That sounds like ero novelist). His work certainly beyond that which makes him such a great writer. But it's clear he never felt a problem to include some minor incidents or implication about incest or even as the case in 'Kafka on the shore' make it a major theme. And nobody has a problem with that either. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On September 11 2013 22:59 Zergneedsfood wrote: I agree. I have a little brother, but sometimes I wish I had a little sister too. -3- I have 4 little sisters. ... | ||
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elt
Thailand1092 Posts
Back on thread: watching Sora no Woto now, half way through. In terms of character design Kanata definitely reminds me of a less retarded Yui, and Felicia reminded me of Miyuki before I found out they have the same seiyu. That aside the material itself... Well I've always been a sucker for dystopian, post-apocalyptic and Dying Earth themes anyway. EDIT: On Genjimonogatari... Didn't Hikaru Genji go out of his way or at least avoid pairing his own daughter with his son the Emperor or am I misremembering. | ||
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maru~
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