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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:54 Emnjay808 wrote: I--uh--you're kidding me right? Thats like one of my most favorite animes of all time. Okay, and do you think it looks better than anime from like 10 to 20 years ago? | ||
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Delwack
123 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:47 Sentenal wrote: Is Ika Musume an example of a series that you think looks better than stuff from 10-20 years ago? Everything looks better than it did 10-20 years ago. It all has to do with details. You'll notice that in general, many things are more detailed in both the foreground and background, in terms of the art. As an example, hair is often more distinctive and portioned out into see able strands more and more frequently. More detail is incorporated into many things. Many of these details and with the help of computer animated graphics/shading/etc. have made things look a lot better and a lot more consistent. There are two primary factors that contribute to everything just looking better today. First, computer graphics and Special Effects has come a long way. Doing everything by hand is nice, but computer-assisted drawing means you can reach levels of detail, mechanical expression, consistency and other things that were simply not possible before. Secondly, compression and television technology has improved greatly. CRT 4 : 3's at 480 left for a LOT less detail than modern 16 : 9 720p and 1080p. MPEG-2 is also beginning to fall by the wayside in favor of H.264, which allows for significantly better data compression, improving quality of transmission given data bandwidth requirements. As an example, look at the digitally restored SDF Macross vs. Macross Frontier. Macross was amazingly detailed for it's time, and still is, but you can really see the benefits of modern computer technology and usage in the more modern series. (admittedly that is 25 years, not 20, but the point still stands). Edit: There is a case to be made that older 'styles' are better, but from a purely technical standpoint, everything looks better today. Colors are more uniform. Gradients are better. Objects have more detail. Camera panning, zooming, and changes of perspective are handled better and are more consistently. There are fewer artifacts in the image due to compression and transmission, and the pictures shown are simply of a higher resolution. You can argue that an older style looks better to you from a personal perspective, but from a technical standpoint, everything looks better today, period. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:58 Delwack wrote: Everything looks better than it did 10-20 years ago. It all has to do with details. You'll notice that in general, many things are more detailed in both the foreground and background, in terms of the art. As an example, hair is often more distinctive and portioned out into see able strands more and more frequently. More detail is incorporated into many things. Many of these details and with the help of computer animated graphics/shading/etc. have made things look a lot better and a lot more consistent. There are two primary factors that contribute to everything just looking better today. Computer Graphics and Special Effects has come a long way. Doing everything by hand is nice, but computer-assisted drawing means you can reach levels of detail, mechanical expression, consistency and other things that were simply not possible before. Secondly, compression and television technology has improved greatly. CRT 4:3's at 480 left for a LOT less detail than modern 16  720p and 1080p. MPEG-2 is also beginning to fall by the wayside in favor of H.264, which allows for significantly better data compression, improving quality of transmission given data bandwidth requirements. As an example, look at the digitally restored SDF Macross vs. Macross Frontier. Macross was amazingly detailed for it's time, and still is, but you can really see the benefits of modern computer technology and usage in the more modern series. (admittedly that is 25 years, not 20, but the point still stands). Delwack dove headfirst into the shark-infested waters on this one. Ill just let him take over from here ^_^ Edit: On the matter of Ika Musume. I dont enjoy it necessarily cause of the artwork. I enjoy it cause it was one of my very first animes to watch. It made me feel like a kid again, who got up early every saturday morning to watch his favorite cartoons. I guess its just simply the exposure that turned me into a fanboy. If it were any other slapstick-comedy show then I prolly wouldve loved it too. But in this case, Im glad that its Ika Musume, cause shes just too damn cow-eye. | ||
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act.hero
United States205 Posts
![[image loading]](http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/guideline/imgs/9/7/97ce3f91.jpg) I think it depends. Some old anime had a lot more detail, but in general I feel like new anime looks cleaner, if that makes sense. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:58 Delwack wrote: Everything looks better than it did 10-20 years ago. It all has to do with details. You'll notice that in general, many things are more detailed in both the foreground and background, in terms of the art. As an example, hair is often more distinctive and portioned out into see able strands more and more frequently. More detail is incorporated into many things. Many of these details and with the help of computer animated graphics/shading/etc. have made things look a lot better and a lot more consistent. There are two primary factors that contribute to everything just looking better today. Computer Graphics and Special Effects has come a long way. Doing everything by hand is nice, but computer-assisted drawing means you can reach levels of detail, mechanical expression, consistency and other things that were simply not possible before. Secondly, compression and television technology has improved greatly. CRT 4:3's at 480 left for a LOT less detail than modern 16 720p and 1080p. MPEG-2 is also beginning to fall by the wayside in favor of H.264, which allows for significantly better data compression, improving quality of transmission given data bandwidth requirements. As an example, look at the digitally restored SDF Macross vs. Macross Frontier. Macross was amazingly detailed for it's time, and still is, but you can really see the benefits of modern computer technology and usage in the more modern series. (admittedly that is 25 years, not 20, but the point still stands). So you are saying that something like Ika Musume looks better than, say, Ghost in the Shell: SAC? GaoGaiGar Final? Gundam SEED? Macross Zero? Mazinkaiser? You realize that 10 years ago was still 2002, right? SDF Macross was early 80s, and full of QUALITY. And even if you wanted to go back to the 80s, you think Ika Musume looks better than stuff like Gunbuster, Char's Counter Attack, or even Zeta Gundam? Of course, resolution wise, things are better now. 720p didn't exist back then. But you are even going to tell me that "colors" are better now, and camera control? Nothing at all changed, other than things went from by hand to by computer. You are going to tell me that Ika Musume has more detail, better animated, better colors, better camera control, better character design, better everything than those shows I listed? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I had to rewatch this episode to gain a better understanding of it. I am not sure if I am supposed to take in whatever the writer throws at me for granted, but the part about Mana stating that Inori wants to kill Shu was serious WTFsauce to me. This episode does establish, however, that Inori is not possessed by Mana, per se; she can willingly go berserk by herself. However, it felt unsatisfying that there were actually very little about Shu this episode. In fact this episode was all about Inori, even though I felt it would be more interesting to look at Shu since he just lost his power. If you ask me, the pace is a little bit off. Maybe in the planned story, Shu will immediately get a new arm and new power once his character develops further; the writers were simply unwilling to make Shu lose his power in the previous episode and then immediately regain it (one way to make Shu gain some power this episode is to let him witness Inori charging at the Enclaves and have a replay of Episode 1). As for Arisa, I feel she is guaranteed to die in this series now that she killed her grandfather; however it seems that she has problems with Gai as well, so it's kind of hard to tell which side she'll be on (i.e. whether she'll die for Shu or die for Gai). Regardless, knowing her Void's power, I feel that she will play the Mu la Flaga game and block an attack for someone and die in the process. It looks to me that Keido will try to "marry" Inori again and Shu will probably save her somehow. I am worried, however, if Shu has any means to even get close to Inori. I feel that the next episode Shu will probably gain his power back using some super contrived method since he is now officially without allies. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On February 24 2012 06:07 Sentenal wrote: So you are saying that something like Ika Musume looks better than, say, Ghost in the Shell: SAC? GaoGaiGar Final? Gundam SEED? Macross Zero? Mazinkaiser? You realize that 10 years ago was still 2002, right? SDF Macross was early 80s, and full of QUALITY. And even if you wanted to go back to the 80s, you think Ika Musume looks better than stuff like Gunbuster, Char's Counter Attack, or even Zeta Gundam? Of course, resolution wise, things are better now. 720p didn't exist back then. But you are even going to tell me that "colors" are better now, and camera control? Nothing at all changed, other than things went from by hand to by computer. You are going to tell me that Ika Musume has more detail, better animated, better colors, better camera control, better character design, better everything than those shows I listed? Not sure what you're talking about, but Ika Musume's character design man.... | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
Nisekoi 15 + Show Spoiler + Rival appears! I am a sucker for cool speeches >///< | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:22 Zergneedsfood wrote: Not sure what you're talking about, but Ika Musume's character design man.... I'm asking if he thinks that Ika Musume, specifically, looks better than those example shows from 10 years ago. What do you mean by Ika Musume's character design, are you agreeing with me? | ||
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Leftwing
Canada229 Posts
On February 24 2012 06:22 Sufficiency wrote: GC18: + Show Spoiler + I had to rewatch this episode to gain a better understanding of it. I am not sure if I am supposed to take in whatever the writer throws at me for granted, but the part about Mana stating that Inori wants to kill Shu was serious WTFsauce to me. This episode does establish, however, that Inori is not possessed by Mana, per se; she can willingly go berserk by herself. However, it felt unsatisfying that there were actually very little about Shu this episode. In fact this episode was all about Inori, even though I felt it would be more interesting to look at Shu since he just lost his power. If you ask me, the pace is a little bit off. Maybe in the planned story, Shu will immediately get a new arm and new power once his character develops further; the writers were simply unwilling to make Shu lose his power in the previous episode and then immediately regain it (one way to make Shu gain some power this episode is to let him witness Inori charging at the Enclaves and have a replay of Episode 1). As for Arisa, I feel she is guaranteed to die in this series now that she killed her grandfather; however it seems that she has problems with Gai as well, so it's kind of hard to tell which side she'll be on (i.e. whether she'll die for Shu or die for Gai). Regardless, knowing her Void's power, I feel that she will play the Mu la Flaga game and block an attack for someone and die in the process. It looks to me that Keido will try to "marry" Inori again and Shu will probably save her somehow. I am worried, however, if Shu has any means to even get close to Inori. I feel that the next episode Shu will probably gain his power back using some super contrived method since he is now officially without allies. It can only be a Mu if the character does it not once but twice. It is also required that the two events must be in separate series and preferably near the end of the series. + Show Spoiler + I stopped watching GC simply for the fact that Shu is just an annoying character. I find it really hard to keep interested when a series focuses on a character that has horrible design, and this is especially true when the character is the protagonist. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:16 Leftwing wrote: It can only be a Mu if the character does it not once but twice. It is also required that the two events must be in separate series and preferably near the end of the series. + Show Spoiler + I stopped watching GC simply for the fact that Shu is just an annoying character. I find it really hard to keep interested when a series focuses on a character that has horrible design, and this is especially true when the character is the protagonist. I was only referring to what he did in the first series, not the second (for the record, the second series is garbage anyway). gc18: + Show Spoiler + I think next episode Shu will become awesome again. He probably will form some resolve to save Inori. | ||
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Leftwing
Canada229 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:17 Sufficiency wrote: I was only referring to what he did in the first series, not the second (for the record, the second series is garbage anyway). gc18: + Show Spoiler + I think next episode Shu will become awesome again. He probably will form some resolve to save Inori. Regardless of how bad Destiny was, the act of "Mu-ing" only exists because he did it twice, if he only did it once nobody would care. Well maybe that's not true, but who cares? GC 18: + Show Spoiler + It's to be expected that he has to at some point stop being a Beta Character, but still it's hard to watch. Hopefully like you predict he will man up and finally own like a boss. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The whole thing with the girl who looks like Suzuha (supposed to be her mom I guess?) Was kinda dumb too I thought. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
On February 24 2012 10:19 Ferrose wrote: The Steins;Gate special was pretty funny, but the ending was so cheesy. + Show Spoiler + The whole thing with the girl who looks like Suzuha (supposed to be her mom I guess?) Was kinda dumb too I thought. It was cute. Nuff said | ||
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bubO
United States367 Posts
God dammit is it just me or does anyone really want Arisa dead? holy shit she pisses me off lol Anyway Im getting tired of Shu being a beta character its getting really annoying HOPEfully theyll somehow make him a badass next episode and what the hell happened to ayase and the others? | ||
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AHotDonut
45 Posts
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
They reeeaaally rushed Inori's self-actualization, I think. It took something that Shu told her more than 10 episodes ago to get over her shyness and come to terms with her nature? I don't buy it. It just seemed like another way to bring out some random power in yet another character. It was expected, but the execution was poor. ...But Super Saiyan Inori is pretty awesome. Aside from that, Shu is either going to become super depressed, then man up in some final episode when he confront Gai/whoeverthehellisactuallybehindallofthis, or he's going to find some resolve within the next couple episodes and become determined again. I hope they follow the latter, although it would be best if they introduced struggle, rather than giving him another freebie "Oh, look, I have meaning in life" pass. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:38 Leftwing wrote: Regardless of how bad Destiny was, the act of "Mu-ing" only exists because he did it twice, if he only did it once nobody would care. Well maybe that's not true, but who cares? GC 18: + Show Spoiler + It's to be expected that he has to at some point stop being a Beta Character, but still it's hard to watch. Hopefully like you predict he will man up and finally own like a boss. Nah, Mwu is known for doing it in SEED, and Destiny the same thing happening almost the exact same way is just an extra. He didn't even die when he did it in Destiny lol. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:16 Leftwing wrote: It can only be a Mu if the character does it not once but twice. It is also required that the two events must be in separate series and preferably near the end of the series. + Show Spoiler + I stopped watching GC simply for the fact that Shu is just an annoying character. I find it really hard to keep interested when a series focuses on a character that has horrible design, and this is especially true when the character is the protagonist. + Show Spoiler + I agree, and same goes for Inori. Her script is literally "shu..." with the exception of this episode. Not only is there an incoherent/inconsistent plot, but the characters are just beyond bad | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 24 2012 11:37 biology]major wrote: + Show Spoiler + I agree, and same goes for Inori. Her script is literally "shu..." with the exception of this episode. Not only is there an incoherent/inconsistent plot, but the characters are just beyond bad gc18: + Show Spoiler + I actually felt it was OK. Shu likes Inori, is kind to her, and tries his best to protect her throughout the series; Inori reciprocates in this episode after she learned that: 1. GHQ is after Inori, not Shu, since Shu lost his power. 2. Her own power may go haywire and hurt Shu, as hinted by Mana. | ||
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