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On November 26 2011 14:21 Emnjay808 wrote: Bake was totally romance, sir... Sir... SIR?
*Puffs up face*
Anyways, my friends been bugging me forever to finish up on Code Geass (im currently on ep 6-7ish). I think Ill finally give that a go since it classifies as a real mecha anime, I was kidding about the IS one btw..
Which brings me to a new topic: my friend is a Code Geass fanboy, he LOVES that anime, he LOVES Lelouch and all that jazz. He always tries to get me to marathon more than 2 eps at a time whenever he has the chance. He keeps telling me that its the type of anime that "once you finish marathoning you wont wanna watch other animes for a while" He even says that the first time he finished it he went on a "depressed" mode for a day. He played a certain CG ED on loop the entire time on his iphone while at work and said that he just felt like doing shit. I told him that the only time I ever felt something like that was when I finished Amagami SS. When the final episode aired I just felt a sort of despair. Like, I put the first OP on loop on my computer and took a long 6 hour nap in the middle of the day cause I didnt wanna go out. It was hard to explain, it was the first real anime that I truly enjoyed and it finished.
Anyone else have their stories? Topics like these are the reason why I love anime in the first place. I only got into anime as of Fall 2010, so my knowledge of the really good stuff is very nill.
You mean, stories about finishing an anime and getting depressed? That happened to me when I finished the Berserk anime. Not much more I can say there, lol. If you watched it, you would understand, if you didn't, saying why is a huge spoiler.
I'm pretty much like that Code Geass fanboy. At the time of watching CG this spring, I considered it the first "real" anime that I watched, real meaning I watched it knowing it was an anime. The only other anime I had ever watched before were eng Pokemon, eng Digimon, 1 episode of Gundam Seed (my friends and I were creeped out by the "naked" silhouettes in the OP, this being in like 6th grade), and Overman King Gainer (thought this was just a regular TV show). Basically, Code Geass brought me into anime, and I'm not sure whether I regret it or not. To me, Code Geass became the anime that I compared every other anime too. The first time I watched it was in Eng DUB, which proved to be essential to me standing up Code Geass on a pedestal above all others since I could listen to the voices, watch the scenes playing (I was a slow sub reader), and listen to the OST. Code Geass is my favorite anime of all time (take that, Taylor Swi-wait what?), and I recommend it to everybody. After watching CG, I got the 4 OSTs and played them nonstop, especially "Madder Sky (just because of all of the memories behind this song)". Code Geass, to me, was the best anime mankind had ever created. I cried, laughed, and shared happy memories with this anime. I've watched CG twice, and plan to finally watch it in eng sub. I just fell in love with Code Geass, and it took a while for me to watch any other anime. Now that I look back, I have to say that it probably isn't the best anime of all time, but it is my favorite anime of all time.
For my 1k post, I'll probably do something about Code Geass. I think you should watch it btw. Every time I went to a XC meet, had to do some big project or assignment, I listened to these songs and I was completely pumped up.
Haha, that second vid you posted is the one that he was listening to: Continued Story. My friend put it on loop while I was in the car with him once, and he was on fanboy mode the entire time >_>
On November 26 2011 16:24 Requizen wrote: Oh man, it's been so long since I watched a Gundam. How does the new one measure up to, say, Wing (my personal favorite)?
Unicorn is better in like every way, considering Wing is average at best. Unicorn also isn't finished, and won't be till about this time next year.
On November 26 2011 16:24 Requizen wrote: Oh man, it's been so long since I watched a Gundam. How does the new one measure up to, say, Wing (my personal favorite)?
Unicorn is better in like every way, considering Wing is average at best. Unicorn also isn't finished, and won't be till about this time next year.
hehe I know pretty much everyone here as seen S;G, but came across this while browsing youtube. As someone who may very well do research for the rest of my life, this is truly the mark of a perfect woman
I liked Unicorn episode 3 more than 4. For what is released, Unicorn overall is literally one of the best anime experiences I've ever had. Even the story, which Sent properly labels as an extension of the age-old Zeon v Fed narrative, is executed with touching nuance and gravity.
On the note of Gundams, I remember Sent mentioned long ago that there are only a few Gundams not worth watching. Which ones would those be?
On November 26 2011 16:45 EchOne wrote: I liked Unicorn episode 3 more than 4. For what is released, Unicorn overall is literally one of the best anime experiences I've ever had. Even the story, which Sent properly labels as an extension of the age-old Zeon v Fed narrative, is executed with touching nuance and gravity.
On the note of Gundams, I remember Sent mentioned long ago that there are only a few Gundams not worth watching. Which ones would those be?
Gundam X, Gundam ZZ, Gundam Seed Destiny and Gundam 00 Second Season. This is all IMO, the series have their "good moments" ZZ in particular but the rest can suck it for all I care. Gundam X I could never get into I don't know why but I just didn't enjoy it.
Also the best fight scene in Unicorn ep4 didn't involve Gundams, FACT.
On November 26 2011 16:45 EchOne wrote: I liked Unicorn episode 3 more than 4. For what is released, Unicorn overall is literally one of the best anime experiences I've ever had. Even the story, which Sent properly labels as an extension of the age-old Zeon v Fed narrative, is executed with touching nuance and gravity.
On the note of Gundams, I remember Sent mentioned long ago that there are only a few Gundams not worth watching. Which ones would those be?
Gundam X, Gundam ZZ, Gundam Seed Destiny and Gundam 00 Second Season. This is all IMO, the series have their "good moments" ZZ in particular but the rest can suck it for all I care. Gundam X I could never get into I don't know why but I just didn't enjoy it.
Also the best fight scene in Unicorn ep4 didn't involve Gundams, FACT.
Gundam X not worth watching?!?! You take that back!
IMO the two worst Gundam productions are definitely SEED Destiny and Awakening of the Trailblazer (00 movie). Then ZZ and 00 Season 2 are a mixed bad of badness and okayness. Its been a very long time since I watched Endless Waltz, but that movie might fit in this category as well.
Oh yeah, MS Igloo kinda deserves mentioning here, although it isn't without merit. The characters and mini plots presented in it are absolute shit, and the CG makes every single character look batshit insane (even compared to Tomino characters). BUT the battles in that series were really well done, ESPECIALLY in the 3rd part. MS-Hunting Infantry, Tanks vs Zakus, GUNTANKS, oh baby!
Speaking of Gundam X, it had some REALLY good OPs:
Speaking of best fights in Unicorn episode 4, best fight involved Kobe Byalant. HGUC fucking when???
On November 26 2011 16:24 Requizen wrote: Oh man, it's been so long since I watched a Gundam. How does the new one measure up to, say, Wing (my personal favorite)?
Gundam Wing will always have a place in my heart as an overall completely badass anime and gundam series.
Yes, it has ALOT of flaws, the biggest for me was how the gundams were indestructable and the enemy pilots were lucky to scratch the paint job on a gundam, but the series still reflected a very realistic world where there is no evil, only men that want to do what they feel is best for the rest of people and to do so they will go to war to support their idealogy.
Treize and Zechs were great antagonists, but you couldn't say that they were "Bad guys" because you see in episodes they care for their soldiers and the cause they fight for. They both aren't even attached to the ideology they're fighting for to the point they wouldn't betray it if it became something that went against the greater good.
Treize changes to side with Relena's ideas of pacifism and Zechs goes towards one (alot more destructive) that he feels would benefit man kind in the long run by destroying the Earth because it is where all conflict originates from. By destroying our planet space would no longer be tarnished by war from earth.
Gundam Unicorn has a level of attention to detail that rivals that of the Ghost in the Shell series.
Immediately in the beginning fight you see the UI of the pilots inside their mobile armor/ mobile suits and how it actually looks like it could be a real cockpit. The model number of the enemy mobile suit shows up on a position in space and tracks it in real time and how the whole cockpit is designed to orient the pilot to what direction of space he/she is facing in relation to the sun and the earth... I'm in love with this series.
What blew my mind even more is how the physics in this series is actually plausible to an extent.
For example when the mobile suits are going at each other in the first fight of the first episode they make long arced turns to cancel out the inertia they already have to turn around and make a second attack.
The nameless mobile suit pilot even tries to attack with the sun to his back so that he has an even greater advantage when lunging at the mobile armor.
Speaking of nameless pilots, there are quite a few pilots in this series that are given no names but are able to kick some serious ass... You know, kind of like in real life where you expect pilots to actually be good at flying their fighter jets instead of just being cannon fodder (Gundam Wing was definitely guilty of this).
In Unicorn EVERY, SINGLE, CHARACTER, has a purpose and isn't useless filler. Even the females characters (Ms. Marieta is my personal favorite because her back story to being a newtype pilot) all have an important role that advances the story, especially the princess of Zeon.
I could talk about Gundam for days on end because of it's philisophical mind fucks and how human it is. And by human I mean how ideologies throughout human history will start as something meant to benefit the people, but it eventually becomes the very thing that it sought out to destroy.
"As humanity expands into space all of our latent abilities will blossom in order to adapt to that great void, we will then be able to accept one another without misconceptions, that is the newtype theory proposed by Zeon Dykun."
"You probably don't know this, most think it was only the poor that were forced out into space, but the truth is a lot of people left Earth on their own. They were prepared to stay away until the Earth's environment had fully recovered. Then the one year war came along and undid most of the progress that had been made on that front."
"We're hopeless aren't we?"
"Meh, what can you do? It started off with good intentions anyways."
"Good intentions?"
"Both those in the federation and the colonists were motivated by the hope that they could save humanity. It's no different from wanting your company to succeed or wanting to give your family a better life."
"The way you describe it, it sounds like self interest than self idealism."
"Ya I hear what you're saying but if we denied people the right to be that way then what kind of world would we be in? I suppose there are people that can work for the greater could at personal expense, but I've always been suspicious of those types. Like that Char guy from Neo-Zeon, he claimed that he was fighting for the greater good even while dropping asteroids on us."
"So what do we do?"
"Hell if I know, we still havn't figured that one out yet..."
Great conversations that flesh out the environment of the story (which follows the original Universal Century timeline) on top of amazing movie quality animations and fight scenes...
It's so fucking good, that I've re-watched every episode (except for the new one, episode 4) 10times, AT LEAST.
On November 26 2011 16:45 EchOne wrote: I liked Unicorn episode 3 more than 4. For what is released, Unicorn overall is literally one of the best anime experiences I've ever had. Even the story, which Sent properly labels as an extension of the age-old Zeon v Fed narrative, is executed with touching nuance and gravity.
On the note of Gundams, I remember Sent mentioned long ago that there are only a few Gundams not worth watching. Which ones would those be?
Gundam X, Gundam ZZ, Gundam Seed Destiny and Gundam 00 Second Season. This is all IMO, the series have their "good moments" ZZ in particular but the rest can suck it for all I care. Gundam X I could never get into I don't know why but I just didn't enjoy it.
Also the best fight scene in Unicorn ep4 didn't involve Gundams, FACT.
Gundam X not worth watching?!?! You take that back!
IMO the two worst Gundam productions are definitely SEED Destiny and Awakening of the Trailblazer (00 movie). Then ZZ and 00 Season 2 are a mixed bad of badness and okayness. Its been a very long time since I watched Endless Waltz, but that movie might fit in this category as well.
Oh yeah, MS Igloo kinda deserves mentioning here, although it isn't without merit. The characters and mini plots presented in it are absolute shit, and the CG makes every single character look batshit insane (even compared to Tomino characters). BUT the battles in that series were really well done, ESPECIALLY in the 3rd part. MS-Hunting Infantry, Tanks vs Zakus, GUNTANKS, oh baby!
Gundam Wing will always have a place in my heart as an overall completely badass anime and gundam series.
Yes, it has ALOT of flaws, the biggest for me was how the gundams were indestructable and the enemy pilots were lucky to scratch the paint job on a gundam, but the series still reflected a very realistic world where there is no evil, only men that want to do what they feel is best for the rest of people and to do so they will go to war to support their idealogy.
Treize and Zechs were great antagonists, but you couldn't say that they were "Bad guys" because you see in episodes they care for their soldiers and the cause they fight for. They both aren't even attached to the ideology they're fighting for to the point they wouldn't betray it if it became something that went against the greater good.
Treize changes to side with Relena's ideas of pacifism and Zechs goes towards one (alot more destructive) that he feels would benefit man kind in the long run by destroying the Earth because it is where all conflict originates from. By destroying our planet space would no longer be tarnished by war from earth.
Treize was the best part of Gundam Wing IMO. If only he was the MC, and the story centered around his political fighting, and against the Gundams... Wing would have been great.
Anyway, there were plenty of "villains" in Wing, but it is essentially correct that the world and different factions all have shades of gray with them. But then again, this idea of good and evil being blurred is nothing unique to Wing, and honestly has been around since the original. Like for example, Zechs was one of the most blatant Char clones in any Gundam show. His actions and motivations (even his desire to drop large objects on the Earth "for the good of mankind") were taken from Char.
Out of curiosity, how much of UC Gundam have you watched? Original/Zeta/CCA?
On November 26 2011 16:24 Requizen wrote: Oh man, it's been so long since I watched a Gundam. How does the new one measure up to, say, Wing (my personal favorite)?
Gundam Wing will always have a place in my heart as an overall completely badass anime and gundam series.
Yes, it has ALOT of flaws, the biggest for me was how the gundams were indestructable and the enemy pilots were lucky to scratch the paint job on a gundam, but the series still reflected a very realistic world where there is no evil, only men that want to do what they feel is best for the rest of people and to do so they will go to war to support their idealogy.
Treize and Zechs were great antagonists, but you couldn't say that they were "Bad guys" because you see in episodes they care for their soldiers and the cause they fight for. They both aren't even attached to the ideology they're fighting for to the point they wouldn't betray it if it became something that went against the greater good.
Treize changes to side with Relena's ideas of pacifism and Zechs goes towards one (alot more destructive) that he feels would benefit man kind in the long run by destroying the Earth because it is where all conflict originates from. By destroying our planet space would no longer be tarnished by war from earth.
Gundam Unicorn has a level of attention to detail that rivals that of the Ghost in the Shell series.
Immediately in the beginning fight you see the UI of the pilots inside their mobile armor/ mobile suits and how it actually looks like it could be a real cockpit. The model number of the enemy mobile suit shows up on a position in space and tracks it in real time and how the whole cockpit is designed to orient the pilot to what direction of space he/she is facing in relation to the sun and the earth... I'm in love with this series.
What blew my mind even more is how the physics in this series is actually plausible to an extent.
For example when the mobile suits are going at each other in the first fight of the first episode they make long arced turns to cancel out the inertia they already have to turn around and make a second attack.
The nameless mobile suit pilot even tries to attack with the sun to his back so that he has an even greater advantage when lunging at the mobile armor.
Speaking of nameless pilots, there are quite a few pilots in this series that are given no names but are able to kick some serious ass... You know, kind of like in real life where you expect pilots to actually be good at flying their fighter jets instead of just being cannon fodder (Gundam Wing was definitely guilty of this).
In Unicorn EVERY, SINGLE, CHARACTER, has a purpose and isn't useless filler. Even the females characters (Ms. Marieta is my personal favorite because her back story to being a newtype pilot) all have an important role that advances the story, especially the princess of Zeon.
I could talk about Gundam for days on end because of it's philisophical mind fucks and how human it is. And by human I mean how ideologies throughout human history will start as something meant to benefit the people, but it eventually becomes the very thing that it sought out to destroy.
"As humanity expands into space all of our latent abilities will blossom in order to adapt to that great void, we will then be able to accept one another without misconceptions, that is the newtype theory proposed by Zeon Dykun."
"You probably don't know this, most think it was only the poor that were forced out into space, but the truth is a lot of people left Earth on their own. They were prepared to stay away until the Earth's environment had fully recovered. Then the one year war came along and undid most of the progress that had been made on that front."
"We're hopeless aren't we?"
"Meh, what can you do? It started off with good intentions anyways."
"Good intentions?"
"Both those in the federation and the colonists were motivated by the hope that they could save humanity. It's no different from wanting your company to succeed or wanting to give your family a better life."
"The way you describe it, it sounds like self interest than self idealism."
"Ya I hear what you're saying but if we denied people the right to be that way then what kind of world would we be in? I suppose there are people that can work for the greater could at personal expense, but I've always been suspicious of those types. Like that Char guy from Neo-Zeon, he claimed that he was fighting for the greater good even while dropping asteroids on us."
"So what do we do?"
"Hell if I know, we still havn't figured that one out yet..."
Great conversations that flesh out the environment of the story (which follows the original Universal Century timeline) on top of amazing movie quality animations and fight scenes...
It's so fucking good, that I've re-watched every episode (except for the new one, episode 4) 10times, AT LEAST.
and if you asked me, gundam wing was just another damn space politics opera.
Gundam Wing will always have a place in my heart as an overall completely badass anime and gundam series.
Yes, it has ALOT of flaws, the biggest for me was how the gundams were indestructable and the enemy pilots were lucky to scratch the paint job on a gundam, but the series still reflected a very realistic world where there is no evil, only men that want to do what they feel is best for the rest of people and to do so they will go to war to support their idealogy.
Treize and Zechs were great antagonists, but you couldn't say that they were "Bad guys" because you see in episodes they care for their soldiers and the cause they fight for. They both aren't even attached to the ideology they're fighting for to the point they wouldn't betray it if it became something that went against the greater good.
Treize changes to side with Relena's ideas of pacifism and Zechs goes towards one (alot more destructive) that he feels would benefit man kind in the long run by destroying the Earth because it is where all conflict originates from. By destroying our planet space would no longer be tarnished by war from earth.
Treize was the best part of Gundam Wing IMO. If only he was the MC, and the story centered around his political fighting, and against the Gundams... Wing would have been great.
Anyway, there were plenty of "villains" in Wing, but it is essentially correct that the world and different factions all have shades of gray with them. But then again, this idea of good and evil being blurred is nothing unique to Wing, and honestly has been around since the original. Like for example, Zechs was one of the most blatant Char clones in any Gundam show. His actions and motivations (even his desire to drop large objects on the Earth "for the good of mankind") were taken from Char.
Out of curiosity, how much of UC Gundam have you watched? Original/Zeta/CCA?
I've seen original through zeta and CCA. The only one I haven't seen is X and G (I find G's story to be really, really, dumb).
Which means yes, unfortunately I made myself endure that abomination of a series known as Seed (This series was tolerable as an anime, not a gundam series, an anime, until episode 26, or maybe it was 27. Where Kira self destructs ON EARTH BUT SOMEHOW ENDS UP IN A HOUSE IN SPACE RIGHT AFTER HIS GUNDAM EXPLODES.), Destiny, and of course 00... 00 was good, for the first episode's introduction.
And yes, I know that Wing follows aspects of the UC timeline, but then again remember that I was stating that Gundam Wing is still by itself a great show. I never said it was original or anything, that still doesn't make it completely baller in it's own way.
The music, the gundam pilots, Treize and Zechs, and the gundams themselves made the series very distinct from the other Gundam Series.
The show I suppose had characters that were sociopaths, but what group in the series was that of a villain?
I've thought of Gundam Wing being shown from the POV of Treize and Zechs in their struggle to better the future of mankind in space and then out of no where a bunch of terrorists land on Earth and start fights.
On a final note, Treize made a much better antagonist than Char because unlike Char Treize actually gave 2 shits about his soldiers as a leader. What was really dumb about Char was how much attention he gave to fighting Amuro Ray, it's like he would put the neo-zeon movement on the back burner if it meant stomping Amuro in a duel.
On November 26 2011 16:24 Requizen wrote: Oh man, it's been so long since I watched a Gundam. How does the new one measure up to, say, Wing (my personal favorite)?
Gundam Wing will always have a place in my heart as an overall completely badass anime and gundam series.
Yes, it has ALOT of flaws, the biggest for me was how the gundams were indestructable and the enemy pilots were lucky to scratch the paint job on a gundam, but the series still reflected a very realistic world where there is no evil, only men that want to do what they feel is best for the rest of people and to do so they will go to war to support their idealogy.
Treize and Zechs were great antagonists, but you couldn't say that they were "Bad guys" because you see in episodes they care for their soldiers and the cause they fight for. They both aren't even attached to the ideology they're fighting for to the point they wouldn't betray it if it became something that went against the greater good.
Treize changes to side with Relena's ideas of pacifism and Zechs goes towards one (alot more destructive) that he feels would benefit man kind in the long run by destroying the Earth because it is where all conflict originates from. By destroying our planet space would no longer be tarnished by war from earth.
Gundam Unicorn has a level of attention to detail that rivals that of the Ghost in the Shell series.
Immediately in the beginning fight you see the UI of the pilots inside their mobile armor/ mobile suits and how it actually looks like it could be a real cockpit. The model number of the enemy mobile suit shows up on a position in space and tracks it in real time and how the whole cockpit is designed to orient the pilot to what direction of space he/she is facing in relation to the sun and the earth... I'm in love with this series.
What blew my mind even more is how the physics in this series is actually plausible to an extent.
For example when the mobile suits are going at each other in the first fight of the first episode they make long arced turns to cancel out the inertia they already have to turn around and make a second attack.
The nameless mobile suit pilot even tries to attack with the sun to his back so that he has an even greater advantage when lunging at the mobile armor.
Speaking of nameless pilots, there are quite a few pilots in this series that are given no names but are able to kick some serious ass... You know, kind of like in real life where you expect pilots to actually be good at flying their fighter jets instead of just being cannon fodder (Gundam Wing was definitely guilty of this).
In Unicorn EVERY, SINGLE, CHARACTER, has a purpose and isn't useless filler. Even the females characters (Ms. Marieta is my personal favorite because her back story to being a newtype pilot) all have an important role that advances the story, especially the princess of Zeon.
I could talk about Gundam for days on end because of it's philisophical mind fucks and how human it is. And by human I mean how ideologies throughout human history will start as something meant to benefit the people, but it eventually becomes the very thing that it sought out to destroy.
"As humanity expands into space all of our latent abilities will blossom in order to adapt to that great void, we will then be able to accept one another without misconceptions, that is the newtype theory proposed by Zeon Dykun."
"You probably don't know this, most think it was only the poor that were forced out into space, but the truth is a lot of people left Earth on their own. They were prepared to stay away until the Earth's environment had fully recovered. Then the one year war came along and undid most of the progress that had been made on that front."
"We're hopeless aren't we?"
"Meh, what can you do? It started off with good intentions anyways."
"Good intentions?"
"Both those in the federation and the colonists were motivated by the hope that they could save humanity. It's no different from wanting your company to succeed or wanting to give your family a better life."
"The way you describe it, it sounds like self interest than self idealism."
"Ya I hear what you're saying but if we denied people the right to be that way then what kind of world would we be in? I suppose there are people that can work for the greater could at personal expense, but I've always been suspicious of those types. Like that Char guy from Neo-Zeon, he claimed that he was fighting for the greater good even while dropping asteroids on us."
"So what do we do?"
"Hell if I know, we still havn't figured that one out yet..."
Great conversations that flesh out the environment of the story (which follows the original Universal Century timeline) on top of amazing movie quality animations and fight scenes...
It's so fucking good, that I've re-watched every episode (except for the new one, episode 4) 10times, AT LEAST.
and if you asked me, gundam wing was just another damn space politics opera.
What other space politics operas are there that are, "politics"?
On November 26 2011 16:24 Requizen wrote: Oh man, it's been so long since I watched a Gundam. How does the new one measure up to, say, Wing (my personal favorite)?
Gundam Wing will always have a place in my heart as an overall completely badass anime and gundam series.
Yes, it has ALOT of flaws, the biggest for me was how the gundams were indestructable and the enemy pilots were lucky to scratch the paint job on a gundam, but the series still reflected a very realistic world where there is no evil, only men that want to do what they feel is best for the rest of people and to do so they will go to war to support their idealogy.
Treize and Zechs were great antagonists, but you couldn't say that they were "Bad guys" because you see in episodes they care for their soldiers and the cause they fight for. They both aren't even attached to the ideology they're fighting for to the point they wouldn't betray it if it became something that went against the greater good.
Treize changes to side with Relena's ideas of pacifism and Zechs goes towards one (alot more destructive) that he feels would benefit man kind in the long run by destroying the Earth because it is where all conflict originates from. By destroying our planet space would no longer be tarnished by war from earth.
Gundam Unicorn has a level of attention to detail that rivals that of the Ghost in the Shell series.
Immediately in the beginning fight you see the UI of the pilots inside their mobile armor/ mobile suits and how it actually looks like it could be a real cockpit. The model number of the enemy mobile suit shows up on a position in space and tracks it in real time and how the whole cockpit is designed to orient the pilot to what direction of space he/she is facing in relation to the sun and the earth... I'm in love with this series.
What blew my mind even more is how the physics in this series is actually plausible to an extent.
For example when the mobile suits are going at each other in the first fight of the first episode they make long arced turns to cancel out the inertia they already have to turn around and make a second attack.
The nameless mobile suit pilot even tries to attack with the sun to his back so that he has an even greater advantage when lunging at the mobile armor.
Speaking of nameless pilots, there are quite a few pilots in this series that are given no names but are able to kick some serious ass... You know, kind of like in real life where you expect pilots to actually be good at flying their fighter jets instead of just being cannon fodder (Gundam Wing was definitely guilty of this).
In Unicorn EVERY, SINGLE, CHARACTER, has a purpose and isn't useless filler. Even the females characters (Ms. Marieta is my personal favorite because her back story to being a newtype pilot) all have an important role that advances the story, especially the princess of Zeon.
I could talk about Gundam for days on end because of it's philisophical mind fucks and how human it is. And by human I mean how ideologies throughout human history will start as something meant to benefit the people, but it eventually becomes the very thing that it sought out to destroy.
"As humanity expands into space all of our latent abilities will blossom in order to adapt to that great void, we will then be able to accept one another without misconceptions, that is the newtype theory proposed by Zeon Dykun."
"You probably don't know this, most think it was only the poor that were forced out into space, but the truth is a lot of people left Earth on their own. They were prepared to stay away until the Earth's environment had fully recovered. Then the one year war came along and undid most of the progress that had been made on that front."
"We're hopeless aren't we?"
"Meh, what can you do? It started off with good intentions anyways."
"Good intentions?"
"Both those in the federation and the colonists were motivated by the hope that they could save humanity. It's no different from wanting your company to succeed or wanting to give your family a better life."
"The way you describe it, it sounds like self interest than self idealism."
"Ya I hear what you're saying but if we denied people the right to be that way then what kind of world would we be in? I suppose there are people that can work for the greater could at personal expense, but I've always been suspicious of those types. Like that Char guy from Neo-Zeon, he claimed that he was fighting for the greater good even while dropping asteroids on us."
"So what do we do?"
"Hell if I know, we still havn't figured that one out yet..."
Great conversations that flesh out the environment of the story (which follows the original Universal Century timeline) on top of amazing movie quality animations and fight scenes...
It's so fucking good, that I've re-watched every episode (except for the new one, episode 4) 10times, AT LEAST.
and if you asked me, gundam wing was just another damn space politics opera.
What other space politics operas are there that are, "politics"?
Gundam Wing will always have a place in my heart as an overall completely badass anime and gundam series.
Yes, it has ALOT of flaws, the biggest for me was how the gundams were indestructable and the enemy pilots were lucky to scratch the paint job on a gundam, but the series still reflected a very realistic world where there is no evil, only men that want to do what they feel is best for the rest of people and to do so they will go to war to support their idealogy.
Treize and Zechs were great antagonists, but you couldn't say that they were "Bad guys" because you see in episodes they care for their soldiers and the cause they fight for. They both aren't even attached to the ideology they're fighting for to the point they wouldn't betray it if it became something that went against the greater good.
Treize changes to side with Relena's ideas of pacifism and Zechs goes towards one (alot more destructive) that he feels would benefit man kind in the long run by destroying the Earth because it is where all conflict originates from. By destroying our planet space would no longer be tarnished by war from earth.
Treize was the best part of Gundam Wing IMO. If only he was the MC, and the story centered around his political fighting, and against the Gundams... Wing would have been great.
Anyway, there were plenty of "villains" in Wing, but it is essentially correct that the world and different factions all have shades of gray with them. But then again, this idea of good and evil being blurred is nothing unique to Wing, and honestly has been around since the original. Like for example, Zechs was one of the most blatant Char clones in any Gundam show. His actions and motivations (even his desire to drop large objects on the Earth "for the good of mankind") were taken from Char.
Out of curiosity, how much of UC Gundam have you watched? Original/Zeta/CCA?
I've seen original through zeta and CCA. The only one I haven't seen is X and G (I find G's story to be really, really, dumb).
Which means yes, unfortunately I made myself endure that abomination of a series known as Seed (This series was tolerable as an anime, not a gundam series, an anime, until episode 26, or maybe it was 27. Where Kira self destructs ON EARTH BUT SOMEHOW ENDS UP IN A HOUSE IN SPACE RIGHT AFTER HIS GUNDAM EXPLODES.), Destiny, and of course 00... 00 was good, for the first episode's introduction.
And yes, I know that Wing follows aspects of the UC timeline, but then again remember that I was stating that Gundam Wing is still by itself a great show. I never said it was original or anything, that still doesn't make it completely baller in it's own way.
The music, the gundam pilots, Treize and Zechs, and the gundams themselves made the series very distinct from the other Gundam Series.
The show I suppose had characters that were sociopaths, but what group in the series was that of a villain?
I've thought of Gundam Wing being shown from the POV of Treize and Zechs in their struggle to better the future of mankind in space and then out of no where a bunch of terrorists land on Earth and start fights.
On a final note, Treize made a much better antagonist than Char because unlike Char Treize actually gave 2 shits about his soldiers as a leader. What was really dumb about Char was how much attention he gave to fighting Amuro Ray, it's like he would put the neo-zeon movement on the back burner if it meant stomping Amuro in a duel.
Romapheller Foundation or w/e was definitely made up of villains. The White Fang as well, considering they wanted to destroy Earth.
You are praising Gundam Wing, and at the same time talking shit about Gundam SEED AND G Gundam? What the fuck? I was fine with your praising of Wing, even if I disagree about it being anything more than average, but when you start dragging shows that I liked threw the mud....
First, I'll just get this out of the way. You are saying that SEED is a bad Gundam show because of single instance of the series, where Kira's mobile suit explodes, and then he ends up in a Colony. How closely do you even watch these shows if you truely think that? Kira didn't even self-destruct his fucking Gundam, Athrun did while it was holding onto his. As such, the Strike wasn't completely destroyed (I mean they rebuilt the thing not long after). As for Kira, that priest dude found him after the battle, and brought him up to space with him. And this was explained as well after he woke up. As far as showing the good and evils of war, SEED does a MUCH better job of it than Wing, which all but glorified it with Treize and Zechs' talk about how beautiful battle is.
You mention Wing's music setting it apart. There are like 2 tracks in Wing's sound track that I remember, and one of those barely ever got played (the 2nd OP, and was used to good effect in like 2 or 3 scenes in the anime). The Gundam pilots did help set it apart, but in a bad way. The only good character out of the 5 MCs was Duo. Quatre was meh, and the other 3 were practically emotionless robots.
As for your "complaint" about G Gundam, I'm pretty sure you completely missed the point of that show. Do you hate all Super Robot shows, or do you just hate G Gundam because its called Gundam?
You think that Treize is a better villain that Char because Treize cared about people under his command? What the fuck does that have to do with someone being a villain? And condemning Char as a villain because of CCA? How did Char put the Neo-Zeon movement on the backburner to fight Amuro? How did you even get the idea that he would? If you are complaining about Char giving them the designs for the Nu Gundam, how is that any dumber than Treize literally killing himself on Wufei's lance? Or maybe you are complaining that Char focused on dueling Amuro in the first place so much in that final battle? Makes sense that he would want to take down Amuro to me, after Amuro had been wreaking havoc on the Neo Zeon fleet. Plus, this is just CCA. What about all of 0079?
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