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On January 20 2011 05:41 bhp255 wrote:
Sorry if someone addressed this before, but here it goes (this is entirely imho):
Naruto and Bleach fell from their original glory as anime/manga while One Piece has stayed true to itself throughout. By this, I mean that Naruto and Bleach started out as fairly new/unique shounen stories, but soon fell prey to what I sometimes call the DBZ syndrome. By no means am I dissing DBZ (i thought it was awesome, a classic that introduced me early in life to anime), but what I mean is the following: In DBZ (and Naruto and Bleach, recently), the series reaches a point in which the main characters have become so powerful, making them stronger would become unimaginable, and yet they face stronger enemies and do become stronger. At first, DragonBall had new ways of making them stronger, such as Goku's ape mode or learning the kamehameha, but later it was just them becoming irrationally stronger with SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, etcetc. Same with Naruto and Bleach. Bleach's lack of innovation is quite evident after Ichigo's only improvements are bigger Getsuga Tenshos. Naruto was a little bit more concealed, but it still happened. Remember the first arc? The one where Naruto/Sasuke had crappy jutsus but made an awesome thing with it against Zabuza? That's when I got hooked into the series. I thought "THESE are ninjas." Being resourceful and intelligent with what few skills they have to challenge the overpowered villain. In short, using shitty skills to do something crazy. And now what? People have insane skills and do shitty things with them. Danzo for instance, and his space-time jutsu Izanagi. All the insane possibilities he had with that, and what does he do? *spoilers* (for those of u who read it, u know what im talking about). And in more recent chapters, you might recognize that the biggest jutsu right now is just an excuse to put zombies in the story.
Well, this almost feels like a rant now, but I had to make a point. While One Piece may have an occasional hiccup with their filler arcs, it compares in no measure to Bleach's 60/50 mainstory-to-filler proportion or Naruto's 135/85. Besides, Oda Eiichiro keeps coming up with exceptionally unique and new characters, skills, strengths, and techniques throughout the series. His art style might scare potential new fans away, but in my opinion, it has become a perennial style, where his initial charm hasn't faded away, but it is being polished and perfected through its 13 years of continuous work.
To wrap this up (and for those of you who tl;dr), One Piece > Naruto/Bleach!
I think you hit the nail on the coffin here. Naruto/Bleach have gotten so out of hand that even the authors have to keep bringing in stronger and stronger antagonists. The beauty of One Piece is that Oda actually plans things out. He gives us a peak at the powers out there on the Grand Line, but doesn't have the main character dispose of him two chapters later. Examples: Shichibukai, Yonkou, World Government, etc.
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Is there going to be a chapter this week? I think last week's was released early.
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On January 20 2011 05:59 Chaoz wrote:
Is there going to be a chapter this week? I think last week's was released early.
Yes just be patient. Spoilers for this weeks chapter are out so the translation is coming.
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On January 20 2011 05:59 Chaoz wrote:
Is there going to be a chapter this week? I think last week's was released early.
There are spoilers up on the web so It's likely we'll see the chapter today or tomorrow at latest.
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On January 20 2011 05:59 Chaoz wrote:
Is there going to be a chapter this week? I think last week's was released early.
Yes, the spoilers are out already.
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okay chapter, i was hoping for more action but i think oda's setting the stage for the big events
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The designs for Hodi Jones's crew look very good.
Well done Oda.
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Pshhh so he sank a ship without using his hands, so what? Luffy could probably do that with 1 pelvic thrust and Zoro could cut it in half while asleep 
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On January 21 2011 04:46 Latham wrote:Pshhh so he sank a ship without using his hands, but he took multiple pills that would double his power output per pill, so what? Luffy could probably do that with 1 pelvic thrust and Zoro could cut it in half while asleep
Fixed 
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Starting to get excited for this arc. To be honest I had hoped the decent to Fishman Island would be longer to give time for each character to tell their story to the crew but I guess they'll do it as they go during the fights.
Still eager to see what happens with the mud fruit user that escaped. He's kind of the 3rd party here but he could be an important foe as he is still a logia user.
Also, I'm calling it now (well, I called it once we saw her shadow a long time ago but whatever): Big Mom = mom of the zombie that gave them the vivre card. She's going to be a villain for sure IMO.
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Finally got to see king neptune as well as the shark that came out of the kracken earlier.
Oda strikes again with his Character creations.
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On January 21 2011 06:58 Dark-Storm wrote:
Finally got to see king neptune as well as the shark that came out of the kracken earlier.
Oda strikes again with his Character creations.
Thanks for pointing that out, missed it and it explains why the King wants to see Luffy.
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Something tells me that Luffy is gonna chug that whole bag of pills.
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This arc is building up to be epic!
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Fenrax
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On January 20 2011 05:52 xiaofan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 05:41 bhp255 wrote:
Sorry if someone addressed this before, but here it goes (this is entirely imho):
warning: tldr incoming
Naruto and Bleach fell from their original glory as anime/manga while One Piece has stayed true to itself throughout. By this, I mean that Naruto and Bleach started out as fairly new/unique shounen stories, but soon fell prey to what I sometimes call the DBZ syndrome. By no means am I dissing DBZ (i thought it was awesome, a classic that introduced me early in life to anime), but what I mean is the following: In DBZ (and Naruto and Bleach, recently), the series reaches a point in which the main characters have become so powerful, making them stronger would become unimaginable, and yet they face stronger enemies and do become stronger. At first, DragonBall had new ways of making them stronger, such as Goku's ape mode or learning the kamehameha, but later it was just them becoming irrationally stronger with SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, etcetc. Same with Naruto and Bleach. Bleach's lack of innovation is quite evident after Ichigo's only improvements are bigger Getsuga Tenshos. Naruto was a little bit more concealed, but it still happened. Remember the first arc? The one where Naruto/Sasuke had crappy jutsus but made an awesome thing with it against Zabuza? That's when I got hooked into the series. I thought "THESE are ninjas." Being resourceful and intelligent with what few skills they have to challenge the overpowered villain. In short, using shitty skills to do something crazy. And now what? People have insane skills and do shitty things with them. Danzo for instance, and his space-time jutsu Izanagi. All the insane possibilities he had with that, and what does he do? *spoilers* (for those of u who read it, u know what im talking about). And in more recent chapters, you might recognize that the biggest jutsu right now is just an excuse to put zombies in the story.
Well, this almost feels like a rant now, but I had to make a point. While One Piece may have an occasional hiccup with their filler arcs, it compares in no measure to Bleach's 60/50 mainstory-to-filler proportion or Naruto's 135/85. Besides, Oda Eiichiro keeps coming up with exceptionally unique and new characters, skills, strengths, and techniques throughout the series. His art style might scare potential new fans away, but in my opinion, it has become a perennial style, where his initial charm hasn't faded away, but it is being polished and perfected through its 13 years of continuous work.
To wrap this up (and for those of you who tl;dr), One Piece > Naruto/Bleach! I think you hit the nail on the coffin here. Naruto/Bleach have gotten so out of hand that even the authors have to keep bringing in stronger and stronger antagonists. The beauty of One Piece is that Oda actually plans things out. He gives us a peak at the powers out there on the Grand Line, but doesn't have the main character dispose of him two chapters later. Examples: Shichibukai, Yonkou, World Government, etc.
I copy the "tldr and pure opinion incoming" warning.
I agree with a lot of things in this, a very good writeup and the development of Bleach and Naruto certainly deserves harsh criticism so don't worry if it sounds like a rant.
It is kind of odd that the three Mangas turned out to develop antiproportional to their potential:
Bleach had clearly the most potential: I recently saw the first episodes again and it made me sad to be remembered how much potential Bleach had. These episodes had so much tension (the whole Hollow/Spirit/Shinigami thing), humour (Ichigo kicking Rukia when she entered his house the first time, Orihime with her leek spin, Rukias drawings) and the introduction of Soul society was extremely interesting. Back when I started reading it I thought that this would be one of the best Mangas ever. But unfortunately it developed into a nearly strict power up Manga and the False Town Arc took WAY too long. And after it took way too long it took five times as long to be finished. It was just not f..ing ending and then nobody cared anymore because it was so obvious how it would end and also that none of the Arrancar vs. Captain fights actually mattered.
What was the point of these Arrancars anyway? They just didn't do anything, but they still took like, I dont know, 200 (?) chapters. In the end it actually didn't matter if they were there or not. It was every three weeks one of them showing his Bankai, then "AHAHAH nobody can beat my bankai" into "oh no u beat my bankai".
And the way that arc was finally ended after years of build-up was just unmotivated and anticlimatic. An out of nowhere power-up for the hero ftw and that was that. It seemed like Kubo had started that arc and giving each Arrancar his own Bankai/1 vs. 1 fight without realizing just how much time it would take.
Naruto had not that much potential, but also a lot of it. The Ninja world offers tons of interesting characters and possiblities. I don't think that Kishimoto doesn't plan ahead like Kubo but in my opinion he made a few big flaws that take away most of my enjoyment at the moment:
- Itachi being a good guy: this is probably the worst: it feels so forced and wrong and unbelievable. Itachi's motivation is key to the whole story and this was badly screwed up. Why would one of the good guys butcher his own family just because of an order? Sure he hates war but no good guy (or neutral guy), ever, would kill his own family that didn't do anything bad to him or anyone else just because of an order, even for peace. Not even close. And then he is not able to kill his brother (but his mother and father?) and then work out the plan to pretend to hate his brother for many years to make him stronger and fight him and KO him but die in that fight and with his last breath put his eye techniques on his loved brother which will put him directly into the hands of the real bad guy only for a weak ass one-shot sacrifice-himself plan to kill the real bad guy? Oops, Madara dodged your fire. I cant even describe how bad that story is.
When Itachi had his Kodak moment (you are my new light Sasuke, I only let u live so I can take your eyes + Show Spoiler + I thought "wow this is awesome". It made so much sense. Itachi was just an ambitioned self-centered asshole murderer who needed his little brother for his evil plans. That story was PERFECT. It was simple but still a surprise. I am nearly 100% positive that Kishimoto's original plan was to go with this version and he only changed it to create some kind of unexpected twist.
- Reviving too many dead people: this just sucks. I dont know, we had Kakashi vs. Zabusa already and it was awesome and now version 2.0 just takes a dump on the legacy of that great fight. The Zetsus, the tailed beasts, Sasuke/Madara and maybe a few Akatsukis that didnt get killed off would have been enough of a threat so this whole revive the dead technique (which is COMPLETELY imba btw - one technique that can take on like what...50 Jonins and a Kage, really?) wasn't needed.
- Naruto being a retard: Collecting plants and looking for animals gender? Really? I mean it is a change to the usualy "afk, training in another dimension" that is usually used in this kind of manga to make the overpowered protagonist enter the battle after his friends were killed so he can get angry and unleash his wrath but come on. Naruto was never the smartest guy but he also never was a complete moron and you should expect some kind of mental growth in him. ATM he is just a randomly overpowered moron, that is the unfortunate truth.
One Piece had clearly the least potential. An okayish drawn gummi pirate searching for some kind of treasure...yeah. About ~1% as cool as great drawn bad ass Soul Reapers vs. great drawn bad ass Hollows or epic Ninja battles.
But it deliveres a great chapter every week (maybe except for the Davey back fight, yuk). One Piece seems to do everything right that Naruto and Bleach do wrong. There are no obvious flaws in the storyline which is of course very important. If something is in the Manga it certainly has a purpose. The characters, while being random and odd, never act out of their odd character. There is way more humour than in Bleach and Naruto but only at appropiate times. And while the arcs take long, they are never drawn out unnessecarily.
And some things are hard to describe, they just work out because of the way the story is told. Like the Going Merry rescueing the Straw Hats at the end of the Enie's Lobby Arc. Such a twist should suck balls by definition, a ship going there like it was a member of the crew? Usually a typical "wtf is this, I hate this" moment, but it didn't suck. It was cool, it just worked because of the way the story was told by Oda.
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Damn ! Another week to wait  I wished I wouldn't have known of OP and could read it right away from the beginning till the end !
OP is almost as good as TL !!!
( actually it is better xD !!!!)
On Topic: Does anyone have an idea why the New Fishman Pirates share the same tatoo as the Arlong crew ? Could they have been crew members of Arlong ? I hope not cuz Arlong wasn't nearly as strong as the NFP seem to be. Hoping for an interesting explanation for this, but as usually Oda will deliver
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On January 22 2011 18:37 eaT_Mi_Lquid wrote:Damn ! Another week to wait I wished I wouldn't have known of OP and could read it right away from the beginning till the end ! OP is almost as good as TL !!! ( actually it is better xD !!!!) On Topic: Does anyone have an idea why the New Fishman Pirates share the same tatoo as the Arlong crew ? Could they have been crew members of Arlong ? I hope not cuz Arlong wasn't nearly as strong as the NFP seem to be. Hoping for an interesting explanation for this, but as usually Oda will deliver
Arlong was actually supposed to be very powerful. He was just cockyish? and lazy. Also, the pirates discovered crazy new pills and these pills are what they are going to use to become lots stronger and reclaim their island. So essentially the crew is a whole bunch of people as strong as Arlong (or a little weaker) or maybe a couple stronger, that take a shitton of drugs without a care for their life.
my opinion anyways
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edit: after all eating like 5 pills is 2^5 = 32x stronger than a normal fishman which is 10x stronger than human, or 320 times.
Average human has 10 douriki, so eating 5 pills gives you 3200 douriki, making you as strong as fucking rob lucci. thats only 5 pills...
eating 10 pills makes you fuckin 32x stronger than rob lucci....
Exponential growth is fuckin scary.
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edit 2: wtf is really scary...a bag is like omg wtf
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Uhm that tattoo was explained in the Nami arc. They were once slave brands, but after they were rescued they altered it to look like how it is now.
And yeah, they're much stronger with the pills. I'm guessing when (if) they fight Luffy's crew they're just gonna chug that stuff down.
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On January 22 2011 19:10 Souma wrote:
Uhm that tattoo was explained in the Nami arc. They were once slave brands, but after they were rescued they altered it to look like how it is now.
And yeah, they're much stronger with the pills. I'm guessing when (if) they fight Luffy's crew they're just gonna chug that stuff down.
The Slavebrand is only the circle which all Slaves have in common. But the slaves altered it into different symbols according to the group they are belonging to. In Arlong's case its the head of a swordfish-like head, which ofc resembles Arlong alot. The NFP's connection to Arlong have nothing to do with the origin of the slave brands that were already explained (btw BOA imho) earlier. As far as i know there are more groups of pirates that separated after their leader (Fisher Tiger) died. All those groupes have their own altered symbols. But somehow the NFP have a connection to Arlong. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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