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On June 26 2014 15:03 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 14:27 Sentenal wrote:On June 26 2014 13:24 Hyperbola wrote:
Okay look.
Mera Mera benefits:
1. Area of effect attack for crowds
2. Dodge non-haki, non-power attacks
3. Strong single target attack - maybe
Mera Mera cons:
1. Can't swim
2. Weak to sea stone, especially sea stone handcuffs
With the assumption that Sabo has armament, observation and conqueror haki he already can:
1. Take out crowds of people with conqueror haki
2. Dodge all attacks with observation haki
3. Take out strong enemies with armament haki
Except now he's weak to water and sea stone. Overall it's a net negative. The Mera Mera did nothing to increase his capabilities besides maybe enabling him to become lazy and let things pass through him instead of dodging out of the way. But the most important thing here is that he can no longer eat another devil fruit. A zoan would have been infinately better on Sabo because it would have worked with his already incredibly significant powers. A logia does nothing for him and even works against him in certain ways. 1.) Sabo isn't confirmed to have Conqueror Haki, plus can't instantly KO strong people, while a blast of fire definitely would do damage to a strong person 2.) Well, if people like Akainu and Aokiji are any indication, its possible to dodge Haki attacks as a Logia as well. Aokiji took Whitebeard's spear through the gut, and Akainu got his head practically severed by Marco and Vista, and just called them annoying Haki users. 3.) This isn't a maybe, Ace was incredibly powerful. He could create massive island destroying fireballs, if his fight with Blackbeard is any indication. IDK why you think the Fire Fire Fruit is weak. It isn't a "only works vs weak people" fruit. My main gripe is that the Mera Mera just doesn't fit sabo. It would be like if Zoro decided to master the spear and started devoting his time to that instead of strengthening his swordsmanship. Sabo was already a powerful brawler. If you want to bring power levels into it, he was most likely already above Ace. Him eating the fire fruit simply gave him a bunch of random powers that don't at all synergize with his kit. Ace's thing was that while he did have some physical power, he was ultimately a fire guy. Sabo, on the other hand is ultimately a physical fighter with some new fire powers. You can't wrap Haki around a logia attack. So if Sabo wants to make a punch, he either infuses it with fire or infuses it with Haki. Do you see how these things conflict? It's not like Sabo would have any trouble fighting Fujitora without the fruit. And it's not like Sabo would have any trouble dodging attack without the fruit. So basically the fruit ads nothing besides some small convenience features.
I still don't see how it is a conflict. You just have a very capable fighter who now has gained new abilities, how does that make it a negative?
He can choose to use and elemental attack, a physical attack (with or without haki) or an elemental haki attack. What's so wrong about having more choices?
If you can't wrap Haki around logia powers, how the F do you expect logias to fight if they are non-solid all of the time?
You and I don't know how the author will use this new found ability with Sabo. Will Sabo be shown to learn to be a more proficient user than Ace along with his fighting skills? Would it be a complete waste and it would just like Buggy wherein he has it but doesn't really try to "master" it?
It depends. As long as it would serve a point in the storytelling being done by the author, it can work.
So we don't know. If Sabo is finding it difficult to master the fruit, maybe the story could allow for Luffy and Sabo to get back in touch to being "brothers" and we find out that Sabo feels extremely guilty about not going to Marineford like Luffy to save Ace which is why at the back of his head, he can't unleash his full potential with the fruit. We don't know how its going to play out. Whether it is from a narrative standpoint that Sabo gaining the fire fruit is going to be used, or it is just a powerup he will master later on to advance the story in the great big war with the celestial dragons.
At this point, who knows. Logias can be used uniquely as well like paramecia so I am still curious whether the Mera mera actually allows for flight by heating the air like a hot air balloon. Whether or not you would need a sheet to catch the hot air is something I don't know whether the author will use, but I think it is possible to do with the mera mera. And if it does, it is another bonus we didn't know before could be done in the OP-verse.
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On June 26 2014 13:24 Hyperbola wrote:
Okay look.
Mera Mera benefits:
1. Area of effect attack for crowds
2. Dodge non-haki, non-power attacks
3. Strong single target attack - maybe
Mera Mera cons:
1. Can't swim
2. Weak to sea stone, especially sea stone handcuffs
With the assumption that Sabo has armament, observation and conqueror haki he already can:
1. Take out crowds of people with conqueror haki
2. Dodge all attacks with observation haki
3. Take out strong enemies with armament haki
Except now he's weak to water and sea stone. Overall it's a net negative. The Mera Mera did nothing to increase his capabilities besides maybe enabling him to become lazy and let things pass through him instead of dodging out of the way. But the most important thing here is that he can no longer eat another devil fruit. A zoan would have been infinately better on Sabo because it would have worked with his already incredibly significant powers. A logia does nothing for him and even works against him in certain ways.
Except now he can also power a small motor boat to travel in, fly around in fire mode and has the ability to fire projectiles.
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On June 26 2014 13:24 Hyperbola wrote:
Okay look.
Mera Mera benefits:
1. Area of effect attack for crowds
2. Dodge non-haki, non-power attacks
3. Strong single target attack - maybe
Mera Mera cons:
1. Can't swim
2. Weak to sea stone, especially sea stone handcuffs
With the assumption that Sabo has armament, observation and conqueror haki he already can:
1. Take out crowds of people with conqueror haki
2. Dodge all attacks with observation haki
3. Take out strong enemies with armament haki
Except now he's weak to water and sea stone. Overall it's a net negative. The Mera Mera did nothing to increase his capabilities besides maybe enabling him to become lazy and let things pass through him instead of dodging out of the way. But the most important thing here is that he can no longer eat another devil fruit. A zoan would have been infinately better on Sabo because it would have worked with his already incredibly significant powers. A logia does nothing for him and even works against him in certain ways.
I'd like to point out that Whitebeard had insane level of obs haki but it didn't matter when there is like thousand shooting at you atthe same time.
Mera Mera makes it so much better. Since you don't have to dodge the non-haki attacks anymore.
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Hi guys, what arc is this from? LOL'd
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0wDrpVX.gif)
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On June 26 2014 15:24 Incognoto wrote:Hi guys, what arc is this from? LOL'd
ROFL god usopp in action.
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I think it's perfectly fine that Sabo doesn't have any synergy with his fruit since he trained all his life without, it would be pretty dumb if he had abilities that went well with Mera Mera beforehand..
This is no Bleach or Naruto where characters get random power up and new abilities out of the blue, he will have to train and come up with new techniques involving his fruit.
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Hmm . . . so sabo will be same as Ace , due to DF , will be weaker than Fleet Admiral Akainu?
But maybe able to fight Aokiji, Kizaru , Fujitora?
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Ace didn't use haki, and while it might be an element that Akainu is at an advantage it was mostly just that he was a lot stronger then Ace over all.
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On March 21 2009 10:17 Conquest101 wrote:Ok, so I was reading through the Bleach thread and someone mentioned the lack of a One Piece thread, so I figured I'd create one. Of the three "main" shounen titles, One Piece is by far my favorite. It's obviously not the greatest manga ever, but it's enjoyable, amusing, and light-hearted and almost always a fun read. Obviously expect spoilers if you're gonna read this thread. + Show Spoiler +HAKI! Not sure how I feel about it thus far. It's like Luffy with Haki = cool, everyone else with Haki = meh. Some werido guy showed up. Bon-chan aka Mr. 2 is still fricking awesome.
Just reading OP.
wut
Sigh isn't OP considered the greatest now? :o
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On June 26 2014 17:20 Slaughter wrote:
Ace didn't use haki, and while it might be an element that Akainu is at an advantage it was mostly just that he was a lot stronger then Ace over all.
Sabo is definitely stronger than ace.
Ace while being strong his core capacity to fight relies too much on the mera-mera fruit. While Sabo didn't need the fruit to be strong.
Honestly who did have a chance to beat Akainu at the war arc 1v1 ? everyone with haki was not even harming the guy and the only person with haki that dealt a fatal blow on him was motherfucking whitebeard who could split an entire island..
On June 26 2014 18:09 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 10:17 Conquest101 wrote:Ok, so I was reading through the Bleach thread and someone mentioned the lack of a One Piece thread, so I figured I'd create one. Of the three "main" shounen titles, One Piece is by far my favorite. It's obviously not the greatest manga ever, but it's enjoyable, amusing, and light-hearted and almost always a fun read. Obviously expect spoilers if you're gonna read this thread. + Show Spoiler +HAKI! Not sure how I feel about it thus far. It's like Luffy with Haki = cool, everyone else with Haki = meh. Some werido guy showed up. Bon-chan aka Mr. 2 is still fricking awesome. Just reading OP. wut Sigh isn't OP considered the greatest now? :o
Lol what was the arc during 2009 ?
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On June 26 2014 18:18 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 17:20 Slaughter wrote:
Ace didn't use haki, and while it might be an element that Akainu is at an advantage it was mostly just that he was a lot stronger then Ace over all. Sabo is definitely stronger than ace. Ace while being strong his core capacity to fight relies too much on the mera-mera fruit. While Sabo didn't need the fruit to be strong. Honestly who did have a chance to beat Akainu at the war arc 1v1 ? everyone with haki was not even harming the guy and the only person with haki that dealt a fatal blow on him was motherfucking whitebeard who could split an entire island.. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 18:09 Incognoto wrote:On March 21 2009 10:17 Conquest101 wrote:Ok, so I was reading through the Bleach thread and someone mentioned the lack of a One Piece thread, so I figured I'd create one. Of the three "main" shounen titles, One Piece is by far my favorite. It's obviously not the greatest manga ever, but it's enjoyable, amusing, and light-hearted and almost always a fun read. Obviously expect spoilers if you're gonna read this thread. + Show Spoiler +HAKI! Not sure how I feel about it thus far. It's like Luffy with Haki = cool, everyone else with Haki = meh. Some werido guy showed up. Bon-chan aka Mr. 2 is still fricking awesome. Just reading OP. wut Sigh isn't OP considered the greatest now? :o Lol what was the arc during 2009 ?
Akainu was basically the most OP guy in that arc. People keep telling me how Whitebeard won the fight because he lost half his face and he was able to take Akainu out of the fight for a grand total of something like 1 minute before he went back to owning all of his crew while Whitebeard didn't do shit.
I'll be really surprised if Akainu is anything but close to being the final boss and that it probably will take one hell of a monumental effort to take him out.
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Imho the Marineford war did show us what admiral level strength means. There are dozens of Vice admirals in the Marine, but only 3 admirals.
Knowing Oda, I'm sure that the admirals differ in strength as well. Akainu is most likely the strongest(How do you counter magma, also known as liquid rock). Now that i think about it, the 2 new admirals Fujitora and greenbull could very well be weaker than the old trio, since they're new.
If they were strong, they would most likely have been made admirals before the timeskip.
(I know Fujitora was in the army before, but obviously in a world that is 97% water the Marine has first pick of any strong soldiers that fight for the world government. That's what they did, they picked Fujitora from the army because they needed strong guys.)
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Fuji and the other guy weren't marines before, they came in during the world conscription that took place during the time skip
You'd think Robin would tell us all this shit, she knows this. "oh btw luffy, your old brother sabo is alive, btw LUL"; BUT NO
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On June 26 2014 20:20 Mataza wrote:
Imho the Marineford war did show us what admiral level strength means. There are dozens of Vice admirals in the Marine, but only 3 admirals.
Knowing Oda, I'm sure that the admirals differ in strength as well. Akainu is most likely the strongest(How do you counter magma, also known as liquid rock). Now that i think about it, the 2 new admirals Fujitora and greenbull could very well be weaker than the old trio, since they're new.
If they were strong, they would most likely have been made admirals before the timeskip.
(I know Fujitora was in the army before, but obviously in a world that is 97% water the Marine has first pick of any strong soldiers that fight for the world government. That's what they did, they picked Fujitora from the army because they needed strong guys.)
Yeah and it was also a demonstration of strength on how powerful a younkou can be.
Who's greenbull ? what chapter was he introduced or mentioned by Oda ? Wasn't the "Yellow Monkey" still a admiral ?
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On June 26 2014 20:35 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 20:20 Mataza wrote:
Imho the Marineford war did show us what admiral level strength means. There are dozens of Vice admirals in the Marine, but only 3 admirals.
Knowing Oda, I'm sure that the admirals differ in strength as well. Akainu is most likely the strongest(How do you counter magma, also known as liquid rock). Now that i think about it, the 2 new admirals Fujitora and greenbull could very well be weaker than the old trio, since they're new.
If they were strong, they would most likely have been made admirals before the timeskip.
(I know Fujitora was in the army before, but obviously in a world that is 97% water the Marine has first pick of any strong soldiers that fight for the world government. That's what they did, they picked Fujitora from the army because they needed strong guys.) Yeah and it was also a demonstration of strength on how powerful a younkou can be. Who's greenbull ? what chapter was he introduced or mentioned by Oda ? Wasn't the " Yellow Monkey" still a admiral ?
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Ryokugyu
He is the third admiral with Kizaru and Fujitora.
He replaced Akainu who got promoted.
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Before it was Aokiji (blue pheasant), Kizaru (yellow monkey), and Akainu (red dog).
I just found out about Green bull after searching the wikia when I read here what the last new admiral is nicknamed.
I didn't know Fujitora meant "white Tiger" or completely forgot about it.
But anyway, after I watched through the youtube video posted in the previous page, the original trio plus the "4th admiral theory" reminded me too much of Fushigi Yugi. Just though I'd mention it. hehe! The pheasant would take the phoenix spot, and dog would be the tiger.
But it appears more that the approach is towards the 12 chinese zodiacs. So since we know of 5 plus dragon (if we assume it is correct), I wonder who/where the other 6 are or when they will be revealed.
Quite frankly, Sengoku being Golden Buddha could represent him being Sanzo of Journey to west just for arguments sake, or if not, who then is Sanzo in this parallel representation? =)
EDIT: My bad. I misread. Fuijitora as per the wiki was Wisteria Tiger... Or maybe purple tiger?
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White is "shiro" not "fuji"
I think "fuji" is purple
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On June 26 2014 15:03 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 14:27 Sentenal wrote:On June 26 2014 13:24 Hyperbola wrote:
Okay look.
Mera Mera benefits:
1. Area of effect attack for crowds
2. Dodge non-haki, non-power attacks
3. Strong single target attack - maybe
Mera Mera cons:
1. Can't swim
2. Weak to sea stone, especially sea stone handcuffs
With the assumption that Sabo has armament, observation and conqueror haki he already can:
1. Take out crowds of people with conqueror haki
2. Dodge all attacks with observation haki
3. Take out strong enemies with armament haki
Except now he's weak to water and sea stone. Overall it's a net negative. The Mera Mera did nothing to increase his capabilities besides maybe enabling him to become lazy and let things pass through him instead of dodging out of the way. But the most important thing here is that he can no longer eat another devil fruit. A zoan would have been infinately better on Sabo because it would have worked with his already incredibly significant powers. A logia does nothing for him and even works against him in certain ways. 1.) Sabo isn't confirmed to have Conqueror Haki, plus can't instantly KO strong people, while a blast of fire definitely would do damage to a strong person 2.) Well, if people like Akainu and Aokiji are any indication, its possible to dodge Haki attacks as a Logia as well. Aokiji took Whitebeard's spear through the gut, and Akainu got his head practically severed by Marco and Vista, and just called them annoying Haki users. 3.) This isn't a maybe, Ace was incredibly powerful. He could create massive island destroying fireballs, if his fight with Blackbeard is any indication. IDK why you think the Fire Fire Fruit is weak. It isn't a "only works vs weak people" fruit. My main gripe is that the Mera Mera just doesn't fit sabo. It would be like if Zoro decided to master the spear and started devoting his time to that instead of strengthening his swordsmanship. Sabo was already a powerful brawler. If you want to bring power levels into it, he was most likely already above Ace. Him eating the fire fruit simply gave him a bunch of random powers that don't at all synergize with his kit. Ace's thing was that while he did have some physical power, he was ultimately a fire guy. Sabo, on the other hand is ultimately a physical fighter with some new fire powers. You can't wrap Haki around a logia attack. So if Sabo wants to make a punch, he either infuses it with fire or infuses it with Haki. Do you see how these things conflict? It's not like Sabo would have any trouble fighting Fujitora without the fruit. And it's not like Sabo would have any trouble dodging attack without the fruit. So basically the fruit ads nothing besides some small convenience features.
they dont conflict he can cover his hand in fire and haki
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Haki infused fire, lawl bitches.
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On June 26 2014 22:34 Incognoto wrote:
Haki infused fire, lawl bitches.
I like the Haki infused Magma shit ton better.
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