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On June 26 2014 22:34 Incognoto wrote:
Haki infused fire, lawl bitches.
Luffy can do that without the Mera Mera fruit xD Clearly it's a bad thing that Sabo ate the fruit... I thought he was smart?
But seriously, how is eating one of the strongest fruits a bad thing? He can basically add fire to all of his current moves and now has effortless clearing of weak enemies(Doesn't have to waste any energy ith obvs haki or conquers haki etc.) Oh no you can't swim? So what? Sea stone cuffs could be a slight problem if someone is lucky enough to fire them onto you from a distance but really should be easy to avoid having that happen.
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On June 26 2014 20:48 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Before it was Aokiji (blue pheasant), Kizaru (yellow monkey), and Akainu (red dog).
I just found out about Green bull after searching the wikia when I read here what the last new admiral is nicknamed.
I didn't know Fujitora meant "white Tiger" or completely forgot about it.
But anyway, after I watched through the youtube video posted in the previous page, the original trio plus the "4th admiral theory" reminded me too much of Fushigi Yugi. Just though I'd mention it. hehe! The pheasant would take the phoenix spot, and dog would be the tiger.
But it appears more that the approach is towards the 12 chinese zodiacs. So since we know of 5 plus dragon (if we assume it is correct), I wonder who/where the other 6 are or when they will be revealed.
Quite frankly, Sengoku being Golden Buddha could represent him being Sanzo of Journey to west just for arguments sake, or if not, who then is Sanzo in this parallel representation? =)
EDIT: My bad. I misread. Fuijitora as per the wiki was Wisteria Tiger... Or maybe purple tiger?
I don't think we will have a full 12 admirals in OP.
Could be possible that the Marine cycles through nicknaming systems. Meaning that Sengoku the Buddha could mean they used terms of indian/hindu/buddhist mythology before they started with the color-coded chinese zodiac.
Oda's world is, in my opinion, alive enough to have an explanation that makes sense in the OP world. Just throwing it out there.
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On June 26 2014 15:03 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 14:27 Sentenal wrote:On June 26 2014 13:24 Hyperbola wrote:
Okay look.
Mera Mera benefits:
1. Area of effect attack for crowds
2. Dodge non-haki, non-power attacks
3. Strong single target attack - maybe
Mera Mera cons:
1. Can't swim
2. Weak to sea stone, especially sea stone handcuffs
With the assumption that Sabo has armament, observation and conqueror haki he already can:
1. Take out crowds of people with conqueror haki
2. Dodge all attacks with observation haki
3. Take out strong enemies with armament haki
Except now he's weak to water and sea stone. Overall it's a net negative. The Mera Mera did nothing to increase his capabilities besides maybe enabling him to become lazy and let things pass through him instead of dodging out of the way. But the most important thing here is that he can no longer eat another devil fruit. A zoan would have been infinately better on Sabo because it would have worked with his already incredibly significant powers. A logia does nothing for him and even works against him in certain ways. 1.) Sabo isn't confirmed to have Conqueror Haki, plus can't instantly KO strong people, while a blast of fire definitely would do damage to a strong person 2.) Well, if people like Akainu and Aokiji are any indication, its possible to dodge Haki attacks as a Logia as well. Aokiji took Whitebeard's spear through the gut, and Akainu got his head practically severed by Marco and Vista, and just called them annoying Haki users. 3.) This isn't a maybe, Ace was incredibly powerful. He could create massive island destroying fireballs, if his fight with Blackbeard is any indication. IDK why you think the Fire Fire Fruit is weak. It isn't a "only works vs weak people" fruit. My main gripe is that the Mera Mera just doesn't fit sabo. It would be like if Zoro decided to master the spear and started devoting his time to that instead of strengthening his swordsmanship. Sabo was already a powerful brawler. If you want to bring power levels into it, he was most likely already above Ace. Him eating the fire fruit simply gave him a bunch of random powers that don't at all synergize with his kit. Ace's thing was that while he did have some physical power, he was ultimately a fire guy. Sabo, on the other hand is ultimately a physical fighter with some new fire powers. You can't wrap Haki around a logia attack. So if Sabo wants to make a punch, he either infuses it with fire or infuses it with Haki. Do you see how these things conflict? It's not like Sabo would have any trouble fighting Fujitora without the fruit. And it's not like Sabo would have any trouble dodging attack without the fruit. So basically the fruit ads nothing besides some small convenience features.
Says who?
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On June 27 2014 05:26 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 20:48 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Before it was Aokiji (blue pheasant), Kizaru (yellow monkey), and Akainu (red dog).
I just found out about Green bull after searching the wikia when I read here what the last new admiral is nicknamed.
I didn't know Fujitora meant "white Tiger" or completely forgot about it.
But anyway, after I watched through the youtube video posted in the previous page, the original trio plus the "4th admiral theory" reminded me too much of Fushigi Yugi. Just though I'd mention it. hehe! The pheasant would take the phoenix spot, and dog would be the tiger.
But it appears more that the approach is towards the 12 chinese zodiacs. So since we know of 5 plus dragon (if we assume it is correct), I wonder who/where the other 6 are or when they will be revealed.
Quite frankly, Sengoku being Golden Buddha could represent him being Sanzo of Journey to west just for arguments sake, or if not, who then is Sanzo in this parallel representation? =)
EDIT: My bad. I misread. Fuijitora as per the wiki was Wisteria Tiger... Or maybe purple tiger? I don't think we will have a full 12 admirals in OP. Could be possible that the Marine cycles through nicknaming systems. Meaning that Sengoku the Buddha could mean they used terms of indian/hindu/buddhist mythology before they started with the color-coded chinese zodiac. Oda's world is, in my opinion, alive enough to have an explanation that makes sense in the OP world. Just throwing it out there.
I'm not suggesting though we get all 6 as new. But maybe we were suggested them or they are actually higher up in the heirarchy or currently hidden amongst the top tier in the army, or Cipher Pol, not the marines.
On another note, I forgot about it but Fleet Admiral Kong. So but he had no nickname. Plus, Kizaru is already the monkey in the theory of signs. So.. conflict. if Kong is also Monkey.
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look sabo HAS to eat that fruit, can we stop this discussion already? It's ace's fruit, Sabo is his brother, it has to be him. Now let's talk about something else >___>
Is jimbei going to save the day or what
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I realized I'm fine with Sabo being pretty much just Ace 2.0.
I kinda missed Ace a bit and Sabo is actually even cooler. Glad to have him around being badass and roflstomping a vice admiral in like two panels :D
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Everybody's on the Jimbei hype train but watch Caribou step in and save the day instead
Caribou2014
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On June 27 2014 17:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Everybody's on the Jimbei hype train but watch Caribou step in and save the day instead
Caribou2014
Wow, now that you have shown it to me from your point of view I am so convinced!
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Actually I wonder how Jinbe and Caribou split up. They are both eaving fishman island together, right? Remember Caribou already had a cover story where X Drake comes and dunks him.
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On June 27 2014 16:31 evanthebouncy! wrote:
look sabo HAS to eat that fruit, can we stop this discussion already? It's ace's fruit, Sabo is his brother, it has to be him. Now let's talk about something else >___>
Is jimbei going to save the day or what
Nope Jimbei's gonna show up when all is said and done to tell Luffy Big Mom went back on her word and is attacking Fishman Island, then Luffy will head back there and destroy the place in a massive fight with Big Mom before coming back to the new world and fucking up Kaido.. 2 Yonkou down right off the bat xD XD
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On June 27 2014 23:21 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 16:31 evanthebouncy! wrote:
look sabo HAS to eat that fruit, can we stop this discussion already? It's ace's fruit, Sabo is his brother, it has to be him. Now let's talk about something else >___>
Is jimbei going to save the day or what Nope Jimbei's gonna show up when all is said and done to tell Luffy Big Mom went back on her word and is attacking Fishman Island, then Luffy will head back there and destroy the place in a massive fight with Big Mom before coming back to the new world and fucking up Kaido.. 2 Yonkou down right off the bat xD XD
I don't think that would work in One Piece. The manga is all about adventure. So I don't think we'll be going backwards at any point. At least not until reaching the end of the grand line.
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On June 28 2014 01:27 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:21 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 27 2014 16:31 evanthebouncy! wrote:
look sabo HAS to eat that fruit, can we stop this discussion already? It's ace's fruit, Sabo is his brother, it has to be him. Now let's talk about something else >___>
Is jimbei going to save the day or what Nope Jimbei's gonna show up when all is said and done to tell Luffy Big Mom went back on her word and is attacking Fishman Island, then Luffy will head back there and destroy the place in a massive fight with Big Mom before coming back to the new world and fucking up Kaido.. 2 Yonkou down right off the bat xD XD I don't think that would work in One Piece. The manga is all about adventure. So I don't think we'll be going backwards at any point. At least not until reaching the end of the grand line.
Luffy has to return sometime for the prophecy
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On June 28 2014 01:40 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 01:27 Hyperbola wrote:On June 27 2014 23:21 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 27 2014 16:31 evanthebouncy! wrote:
look sabo HAS to eat that fruit, can we stop this discussion already? It's ace's fruit, Sabo is his brother, it has to be him. Now let's talk about something else >___>
Is jimbei going to save the day or what Nope Jimbei's gonna show up when all is said and done to tell Luffy Big Mom went back on her word and is attacking Fishman Island, then Luffy will head back there and destroy the place in a massive fight with Big Mom before coming back to the new world and fucking up Kaido.. 2 Yonkou down right off the bat xD XD I don't think that would work in One Piece. The manga is all about adventure. So I don't think we'll be going backwards at any point. At least not until reaching the end of the grand line. Luffy has to return sometime for the prophecy
This. Though I was more kidding with my previous post anyway. My prediction for Luffy destroying the island is that it has something to do with One Piece. Activiating or using One Piece(Whether it be a weapon or that theory that it is the destruction of the red line merging all oceans into one piece etc.) will cause the destruction of fishman island, which is why the noah was built and that was Joy boy's promise, that when One Piece is used or whatever that he would bring the fishmen to safety with the noah.
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On June 27 2014 16:31 evanthebouncy! wrote:
look sabo HAS to eat that fruit, can we stop this discussion already? It's ace's fruit, Sabo is his brother, it has to be him. Now let's talk about something else >___>
Is jimbei going to save the day or what
Poll: do sabo has to eat the fruit?oh shut up! (13) 87% hell yeah! (1) 7% no way! (1) 7% 15 total votes Your vote: do sabo has to eat the fruit? (Vote): hell yeah!
(Vote): no way!
(Vote): oh shut up!
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Something has been bothering me for quite some time but I've finally managed to figure out an explanation for it.
Crocodile. No matter how we look at things the power levels just aren't right. He goes from being defeated by Luffy in the Alabasta arc, to going toe-to-toe with DD at Marineford. Luffy hadn't even developed gear second and he beat the guy who rivaled DD at Marineford, DD being the current villain which Luffy is an underdog against. Crocodile also interrupted Mihawk and Akainu at Marineford. Is this really the guy that lost to vanilla luffy (no time skip, no gear second)?
The power levels don't make sense if you look at things bluntly. However, I think I figured out the explanation. It wasn't in the manga because at the time it would have been demeaning to Luffy's victory. Now though, with a lot of thinking about it, it makes sense.
Crocodile used his Devil Fruit to absorb and hold the moisture of an entire island for 3 years. He didn't use Dance Powder to steal the rain, he used his Devil Fruit. That's why it rained when he was defeated. That's actually a huge burden. He stole all that water? That must be physically tiring. Stealing the rain, as well as general apathy / depression after discovering that the ancient weapon trail was a dead end, that weakened him just enough so that luffy could barely scrape a win, after three tries. That's why he was in a weakened state and lost to Luffy. In truth, I would put him on par with Hancock and DD in terms of power.
It makes perfect sense if you think about it this way. He was once a strong enough pirate to challenge and lose to whitebeard. He probably lost his nakama in that confrontation, which is why he holds "trust" and "nakamaship" in such low esteem now. He lost to whitebeard, he lost his nakama, he went into depression, tried to get the ancient weapon through scheming for three years, weakened himself by stealing the rain and that's how he ended up being weak enough for vanilla luffy to take him out. It's not said explicitly, but I think something along those lines is what happened.
Just my theory.
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On June 28 2014 05:12 Incognoto wrote:
Something has been bothering me for quite some time but I've finally managed to figure out an explanation for it.
Crocodile. No matter how we look at things the power levels just aren't right. He goes from being defeated by Luffy in the Alabasta arc, to going toe-to-toe with DD at Marineford. Luffy hadn't even developed gear second and he beat the guy who rivaled DD at Marineford, DD being the current villain which Luffy is an underdog against. Crocodile also interrupted Mihawk and Akainu at Marineford. Is this really the guy that lost to vanilla luffy (no time skip, no gear second)?
The power levels don't make sense if you look at things bluntly. However, I think I figured out the explanation. It wasn't in the manga because at the time it would have been demeaning to Luffy's victory. Now though, with a lot of thinking about it, it makes sense.
Crocodile used his Devil Fruit to absorb and hold the moisture of an entire island for 3 years. He didn't use Dance Powder to steal the rain, he used his Devil Fruit. That's why it rained when he was defeated. That's actually a huge burden. He stole all that water? That must be physically tiring. Stealing the rain, as well as general apathy / depression after discovering that the ancient weapon trail was a dead end, that weakened him just enough so that luffy could barely scrape a win, after three tries. That's why he was in a weakened state and lost to Luffy. In truth, I would put him on par with Hancock and DD in terms of power.
It makes perfect sense if you think about it this way. He was once a strong enough pirate to challenge and lose to whitebeard. He probably lost his nakama in that confrontation, which is why he holds "trust" and "nakamaship" in such low esteem now. He lost to whitebeard, he lost his nakama, he went into depression, tried to get the ancient weapon through scheming for three years, weakened himself by stealing the rain and that's how he ended up being weak enough for vanilla luffy to take him out. It's not said explicitly, but I think something along those lines is what happened.
Just my theory.
I think an explanation along those lines makes sense, though I don't think Crocodile is quite on par with DD or Hancock. During his years on Alabasta he repeatedly attacked cities (like Yuba) with sandstorms which definitely must be exhausting.
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On June 28 2014 05:12 Incognoto wrote:
Something has been bothering me for quite some time but I've finally managed to figure out an explanation for it.
Crocodile. No matter how we look at things the power levels just aren't right. He goes from being defeated by Luffy in the Alabasta arc, to going toe-to-toe with DD at Marineford. Luffy hadn't even developed gear second and he beat the guy who rivaled DD at Marineford, DD being the current villain which Luffy is an underdog against. Crocodile also interrupted Mihawk and Akainu at Marineford. Is this really the guy that lost to vanilla luffy (no time skip, no gear second)?
The power levels don't make sense if you look at things bluntly. However, I think I figured out the explanation. It wasn't in the manga because at the time it would have been demeaning to Luffy's victory. Now though, with a lot of thinking about it, it makes sense.
Crocodile used his Devil Fruit to absorb and hold the moisture of an entire island for 3 years. He didn't use Dance Powder to steal the rain, he used his Devil Fruit. That's why it rained when he was defeated. That's actually a huge burden. He stole all that water? That must be physically tiring. Stealing the rain, as well as general apathy / depression after discovering that the ancient weapon trail was a dead end, that weakened him just enough so that luffy could barely scrape a win, after three tries. That's why he was in a weakened state and lost to Luffy. In truth, I would put him on par with Hancock and DD in terms of power.
It makes perfect sense if you think about it this way. He was once a strong enough pirate to challenge and lose to whitebeard. He probably lost his nakama in that confrontation, which is why he holds "trust" and "nakamaship" in such low esteem now. He lost to whitebeard, he lost his nakama, he went into depression, tried to get the ancient weapon through scheming for three years, weakened himself by stealing the rain and that's how he ended up being weak enough for vanilla luffy to take him out. It's not said explicitly, but I think something along those lines is what happened.
Just my theory.
I like this theory.
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On June 28 2014 05:12 Incognoto wrote:
Something has been bothering me for quite some time but I've finally managed to figure out an explanation for it.
Crocodile. No matter how we look at things the power levels just aren't right. He goes from being defeated by Luffy in the Alabasta arc, to going toe-to-toe with DD at Marineford. Luffy hadn't even developed gear second and he beat the guy who rivaled DD at Marineford, DD being the current villain which Luffy is an underdog against. Crocodile also interrupted Mihawk and Akainu at Marineford. Is this really the guy that lost to vanilla luffy (no time skip, no gear second)?
The power levels don't make sense if you look at things bluntly. However, I think I figured out the explanation. It wasn't in the manga because at the time it would have been demeaning to Luffy's victory. Now though, with a lot of thinking about it, it makes sense.
Crocodile used his Devil Fruit to absorb and hold the moisture of an entire island for 3 years. He didn't use Dance Powder to steal the rain, he used his Devil Fruit. That's why it rained when he was defeated. That's actually a huge burden. He stole all that water? That must be physically tiring. Stealing the rain, as well as general apathy / depression after discovering that the ancient weapon trail was a dead end, that weakened him just enough so that luffy could barely scrape a win, after three tries. That's why he was in a weakened state and lost to Luffy. In truth, I would put him on par with Hancock and DD in terms of power.
It makes perfect sense if you think about it this way. He was once a strong enough pirate to challenge and lose to whitebeard. He probably lost his nakama in that confrontation, which is why he holds "trust" and "nakamaship" in such low esteem now. He lost to whitebeard, he lost his nakama, he went into depression, tried to get the ancient weapon through scheming for three years, weakened himself by stealing the rain and that's how he ended up being weak enough for vanilla luffy to take him out. It's not said explicitly, but I think something along those lines is what happened.
Just my theory.
That's a cool theory and I'm not disagreeing with you but there are some variables you should also consider.
1. Smoker and the rain ship. In chapter 212 we see smoker sitting in the rain ship. He says he didn't use it but he could be lying or just being smoker. It could be that he unleashed the rain all over the kingdom as a "fuck you" to crocodile.
2. Luffy is able to smack crocodile in the face and away from Whitebeard. In chapter 557, although he does use gear second, he prevents crocodile from attacking Whitebeard.
So maybe Crocodile was exerting himself by preventing some rain from happening but I don't think its the only reason he lost. I think it was simply because Crocodile isn't really a good match for luffy since instead of being quick, he just uses his sand a lot. Without haki or water, Crocodile can one shot you, that's true. But Luffy had every advantage going into the fight and that's why he won.
Crocodile IS a good match for doflamingo who really can't do shit to logias besides using haki punches. And Doflamingo does not specialize in haki punches nearly as much as he favors using his strings. In fact we've only seen him use his fist once. One Piece just doesn't have clear power levels.
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On June 28 2014 09:51 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 05:12 Incognoto wrote:
Something has been bothering me for quite some time but I've finally managed to figure out an explanation for it.
Crocodile. No matter how we look at things the power levels just aren't right. He goes from being defeated by Luffy in the Alabasta arc, to going toe-to-toe with DD at Marineford. Luffy hadn't even developed gear second and he beat the guy who rivaled DD at Marineford, DD being the current villain which Luffy is an underdog against. Crocodile also interrupted Mihawk and Akainu at Marineford. Is this really the guy that lost to vanilla luffy (no time skip, no gear second)?
The power levels don't make sense if you look at things bluntly. However, I think I figured out the explanation. It wasn't in the manga because at the time it would have been demeaning to Luffy's victory. Now though, with a lot of thinking about it, it makes sense.
Crocodile used his Devil Fruit to absorb and hold the moisture of an entire island for 3 years. He didn't use Dance Powder to steal the rain, he used his Devil Fruit. That's why it rained when he was defeated. That's actually a huge burden. He stole all that water? That must be physically tiring. Stealing the rain, as well as general apathy / depression after discovering that the ancient weapon trail was a dead end, that weakened him just enough so that luffy could barely scrape a win, after three tries. That's why he was in a weakened state and lost to Luffy. In truth, I would put him on par with Hancock and DD in terms of power.
It makes perfect sense if you think about it this way. He was once a strong enough pirate to challenge and lose to whitebeard. He probably lost his nakama in that confrontation, which is why he holds "trust" and "nakamaship" in such low esteem now. He lost to whitebeard, he lost his nakama, he went into depression, tried to get the ancient weapon through scheming for three years, weakened himself by stealing the rain and that's how he ended up being weak enough for vanilla luffy to take him out. It's not said explicitly, but I think something along those lines is what happened.
Just my theory. I like this theory.
as far as anime is concerned, ridiculous things happend... i usually dont put regular common sense/logic on this...
anything can happend~
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On June 28 2014 10:06 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 05:12 Incognoto wrote:
Something has been bothering me for quite some time but I've finally managed to figure out an explanation for it.
Crocodile. No matter how we look at things the power levels just aren't right. He goes from being defeated by Luffy in the Alabasta arc, to going toe-to-toe with DD at Marineford. Luffy hadn't even developed gear second and he beat the guy who rivaled DD at Marineford, DD being the current villain which Luffy is an underdog against. Crocodile also interrupted Mihawk and Akainu at Marineford. Is this really the guy that lost to vanilla luffy (no time skip, no gear second)?
The power levels don't make sense if you look at things bluntly. However, I think I figured out the explanation. It wasn't in the manga because at the time it would have been demeaning to Luffy's victory. Now though, with a lot of thinking about it, it makes sense.
Crocodile used his Devil Fruit to absorb and hold the moisture of an entire island for 3 years. He didn't use Dance Powder to steal the rain, he used his Devil Fruit. That's why it rained when he was defeated. That's actually a huge burden. He stole all that water? That must be physically tiring. Stealing the rain, as well as general apathy / depression after discovering that the ancient weapon trail was a dead end, that weakened him just enough so that luffy could barely scrape a win, after three tries. That's why he was in a weakened state and lost to Luffy. In truth, I would put him on par with Hancock and DD in terms of power.
It makes perfect sense if you think about it this way. He was once a strong enough pirate to challenge and lose to whitebeard. He probably lost his nakama in that confrontation, which is why he holds "trust" and "nakamaship" in such low esteem now. He lost to whitebeard, he lost his nakama, he went into depression, tried to get the ancient weapon through scheming for three years, weakened himself by stealing the rain and that's how he ended up being weak enough for vanilla luffy to take him out. It's not said explicitly, but I think something along those lines is what happened.
Just my theory. That's a cool theory and I'm not disagreeing with you but there are some variables you should also consider. 1. Smoker and the rain ship. In chapter 212 we see smoker sitting in the rain ship. He says he didn't use it but he could be lying or just being smoker. It could be that he unleashed the rain all over the kingdom as a "fuck you" to crocodile. 2. Luffy is able to smack crocodile in the face and away from Whitebeard. In chapter 557, although he does use gear second, he prevents crocodile from attacking Whitebeard. So maybe Crocodile was exerting himself by preventing some rain from happening but I don't think its the only reason he lost. I think it was simply because Crocodile isn't really a good match for luffy since instead of being quick, he just uses his sand a lot. Without haki or water, Crocodile can one shot you, that's true. But Luffy had every advantage going into the fight and that's why he won. Crocodile IS a good match for doflamingo who really can't do shit to logias besides using haki punches. And Doflamingo does not specialize in haki punches nearly as much as he favors using his strings. In fact we've only seen him use his fist once. One Piece just doesn't have clear power levels.
I think Smoker went out to find that ship to find proof of Baroque Works having Dance Powder. Pretty sure that Smoker himself didn't use any.
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